Hosanna Church Horror on Rise to Liberty with Jacob and WR.

Hosanna Church Horror on Rise to Liberty with Jacob and WR. 

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome back to another episode of Rise to Liberty.

Today we have a very special show and a very

special guest, the return of William Ramsey. How you doing today,

William doing great? Thanks for having me, Glad to be

with you. Yeah, of course, always a pleasure to have

you on. So just real quick, I don't typically do this,

but content warning for anybody who might be sensitive to

these sorts of topics. This is a continuation of my

Satanic Panic is Real series and we're just gonna go

with it. And there's some pretty dark details regarding this case.

So you know, my audience and your audience are definitely

more than smart enough to decide if it's something that

they can or cannot handle. So viewer discretion is advised.

And that's the last warning you get. So other than that,

we will be discussing the Hosanna Church scandal, which conveniently

is also the I would say, one of the main

inspirations for True Detective Season one. It does kind of

seem like there's a little bit influence from some other

cases maybe, but this is like the big main thing

that kind I guess spawned the whole first season. So

with that, would you like to kind of give like

a I guess, a brief overview of the case of

exactly what we're talking about.

Speaker 2: We're talking about a very well documented criminal case that

took place in Ponchatoula, Louisiana, and it came to the

attention of people in two thousand and five, and it

involved a church, so at a surface level, this was

a functioning church, and it was actually involved the pastor's son,

so his name was was the Monica Junior. His dad

was a very successful Protestant preacher who at one point

this church Hosanna, had one thousand perishon ers, so he

had quite the flock of people and started to dwindle

down and the sun wasn't didn't seem to be able

to carry the mantle or the baton of his dad.

And these two people, him and his cohort whose name

I can't remember right now, but they have life sentences,

so they.

Speaker 1: Actually hard Yeah.

Speaker 2: Uh, they were convicted. There were appeals of their convictions,

their convictions were upheld on appeal, and they have life sentences.

They are in jail, so currently in jail and Louisiana

in the state. So this this case is really fascinating

and it kind of got lost because of like your theme,

which is this is all satanic panic. Can you guys

be worried about this? This case was also interesting for

a wide ride super dark guys, this is so not

safe for work or home or around children. Just to

re emphasize what right Jacob said, like, that's got all

the darkest themes imaginable, and I think they got away

with stuff. Honestly, I think that all the full story

wasn't told. And even the detective, one of the detectives,

it's very fairly well memorialized on really good segment on

Vice for twenty minutes.

Speaker 1: The detectives that we just saw a part of it

wild that you know, Vice used to do some pretty

good reporting back in the day. You know, bias a

lot of it, but I mean, there's nothing wrong with

bias if you're upfront about it, in my opinion, and

even the stuff that was incredibly biased from them, it

was just good reporting either way. And unfortunately they just

don't don't provide that sort of real journalism for I

don't want to say underground, but not mainstream, you know,

just the not the mainstream things. Unfortunately, we don't have

a good out, we don't have a good source for

that sort of information anymore since they've just gone downhill.

I actually just rewatched the Vice documentary. It's great. In fact,

I think i'll throw it in the episode description after

the show. It's called The True Detective I Believe or

The Real True Detective, and it's twenty minutes long, gives

a really good overview of the case of you know,

kind of what the case is, and talks to the

lead prosecutor, Don Wall, interviews a couple of other people. Honestly,

I would love to see what they didn't put in,

you know, what they ended up putting on the cutting

room floor. So yeah, me too.

Speaker 2: But there's almost lines from that documentary, which came out

after True Detective, are the same as some of the

lines from The True Detective, which I think right released

in twenty fourteen. So it is interesting like how real

life emulated so called fictional tale. But and like we

were talking the pre show, The True Detective is really

seen as kind of like a watermark or a benchmark

right in American kind of episodic drama, I guess in

ways put like people always go back to it, and

I think they're on the fourth or fifth season now, yeah,

and those themes they overlap with a lot of interesting

things in American culture, so it is and people do

watch them. So yeah, I think they're working on season

five now or season six or some Yeah.

Speaker 1: I think they just released the fourth one if I

remember correctly. It's Jody Foster, right right, right, everything. I've

read it every like, I've read a lot of negative reviews.

Speaker 2: It's very indigenous, I mean as a way to brit

and and very female focused, which is a different change.

They've actually kind of stepped out of, like the comfort zone.

I think we were talking in the pre show. I

think that a lot of like white males, like the

first season, right, because it was male focused. It really

was that kind of white male thing. Also kind of

a crime show in and a cult investigative, and then.

Speaker 1: A lot of these other ones.

Speaker 2: There was the black guy Methuselah I forgot his name,

but that was season three, and then season four is

Jody Foster, and there's a lot of like indigenous I

think her her other police officer in there was like

half indigenous half the time or something. So like a

real super diverse higher all caps diversity.

Speaker 1: I thot she good.

Speaker 2: Like I actually enjoyed season four, so right, I enjoyed

watching all of them actually, but I think season one

is really.

Speaker 1: The crown jewel. Yeah, well you actually uh put together

a presentation. I had just watched the interview you did

over with the California crew. Great episode. Definitely go watch it.

But what do you say we jump into this and start,

let's do it.

Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot to go into. But like

I said, just another one. This is probably one of

the darkest cases.

Speaker 1: Imagine.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done a lot of dark stuff, like West

Memphis is pretty brutal too, but this one, and it's

what's interesting. This isn't a lot of speculation. There's court documents.

There was a two hundred page confession which is not

public to my knowledge, but pieces of it are actually

read in this Vice thing with Tibony I think is

the woman's name, right, But.

Speaker 1: She did a great job on that. Oh yeah, really

it's a shame what's happened to Vice too? It really yeah,

it really, it really really is.

Speaker 2: It was the you're right though, it was the edgy

kind of journalism, journalism that made it, uh, made it sensational.

Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all the stuff, all the stuff that will

never get picked up by mainstream media. It's all the

stuff people want to know about or whatever. But no,

like it's not polite conversation or whatever. You know, there's

it's all the it's real life, you know, like they

would interview homeless people, or they would interview people with

super interesting jobs. You know, it's so great, but just

you know some.

Speaker 2: Of those things you're out there, like one of a

great great site is a great white underbelly or whatever

that does.

Speaker 1: Oh yeah, software underbelt fantastic.

Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's just sitting down literally letting somebody talk.

It is super fascinating. Like these people, whatever their story is,

drug add to sex work or write drug dealers, all

sorts of stuff. People are interesting. So it's it's like

what happens is they get politicized and woke or you

get some kind of mind virus where it's just like

who's promoting, Like just just let the person talk, you know,

they're interested.

Speaker 1: Well, and nowadays it's it's always uh, you know, making

sure that the that the investors are happy, you know,

and then I mean that's that's destroyed video games now,

like nobody's willing to take risks because if you take

a risk then you might end up upsetting the investors

or whatever, you know, and it's it's a joke. So

on that note, before we really dive into this, I

wanted to real quickly highlight something out of, in my opinion,

one of the most important books of current parapolitical research

or just research in general, and that's I have The

Chickenhawk by Simon Dove, absolutely amazing right up there with

Program to Kill and everything Ultimate Evil, that sort of thing.

And I kind of wanted to just read in full

just the first paragraph out of his author's note and

apply it to this conversation and I'm sure other conversations

that we will have in the future. But this is

independent research. This is an advantage in two respects. First,

researchers with institutional accreditation are restricted in their inquiries by taboo,

that is, the fear of losing credibility through expressing unacceptable

ideas or even facts. I or you and myself in

this case are unrestricted in this regard. Secondly, because I

lack credibility, which I love that he put that the

burden of proof falls more heavily upon upon me as

I cannot take certain liberties in reaching conclusions. My book

reflects the reality of this, and in my opinion, having

no credibility is an asset so long as one is

aware of it and strives to demonstrate it through the

substance of what they represent. As a result, almost every

paragraph in this book, or everything that is done on

my channel is going to be footnoted or easily researched.

I will always provide sources to anyone who is interested

with the sources from which it was derived. This is

not to achieve any kind of academic veneer. I am

not an academic and this is not an academic book.

Academics cannot research the subject dealt with here because it

is taboo for them to do so. And I wanted

to highlight that real quick because I actually believe that

what parapolitics or conspiracy, whatever people want to call it,

I believe this actually provides a really important, a really

important aspect to society considering what we seem to be

living through nowadays. This is really looking at the truth

of things, and that's always been my focus has been

the truth. And because I myself don't possess certain certain

credentials or like Simon put it, a academic veneer. It's

actually I'm held to a higher standard. You're held to

a higher standard. We always have to hold the truth

well above what anyone else in the mainstream media would

be held to. And honestly, I think that's why it

makes us better. So amen, on that note, let's switch

over here to to this presentation.

Speaker 2: I have a lot of slides. It's based on the

Vice video, also a few slides from the show itself,

but also just some of the information that's available through

court documents. And where Hosanna is I show it on

the map. It's north of New Orleans, almost directly east

of that.

Speaker 1: Real quick, just for the sake of the audience, what

years are we talking about?

Speaker 2: Well, the events, the events that were where they were

arrested was two thousand and five. What had happened is

there was some kind of internal thing with this group.

It's a network, guys. There was actually a cop who

was part of the network, who worked at the office

that was a resting these guys. You can't believe it.

He was charged with obstruction of justice. So like you think, like, oh, yeah,

these guys are no, this guy's involved in the most

amous stuff and I don't this is almost like a

finder's case. They I'll show it here. They had tons

of electronics filming computers at the time, Like why do

you need one hundred external hard drives unless you're up

to something like give me a break. This is some

kind of uh something, So they were, they were networked.

But two thousand and five is when it happened. There

was there was some kind of internal thing where the

Monica's wife took their kids and went to Chicago, and

two weeks later, Lamonica Junior walked into the police office

the police station to confess, right, and everything was retracted

and the kids testimonies were retracted. But this is the

most interesting aspect to me anyways regarding this case, is

that he walked into the police station unprovoked, just like

what that that's and then he proceeds to confess to uh,

Satanic rituals, child sex crimes, child molestation, animal sacrifices, and

beastiality just to name, you know, a broad spectrum of

subjects involving a lot of people, right, and is in

you know, it's like sex with his own boy kids

and just and all kinds of drawings. So it was

just super graphic and like really dark, very aggressive, and

then using the cover of the church, you know, it's

just so symbolically and you know, just in your face.

It's it's amazing to me. And I always go back

to kind of or not kind of, but I always

go back to satanic crime never happens.

Speaker 1: It's like really really because it does. It's it's everywhere.

Just because you don't look at it doesn't mean that

it doesn't exist. In fact, these are some people I

try to have I try to have understanding. But when

these things exist and you intentionally ignore it, you're part

of the problem.

Speaker 2: So there's a lot of these guys are just repeating

what they've been told on TV and they haven't done

any reading or research. So it's a different kind of

media thing where if you talk to somebody who only

drinks from that trough, they're going to have a completely

different worldview. Like even that was the whole thing. A

vice is they were doing something different than TV. Like

the the corporate media is really a pox on the

entire culture of the United States. It didn't used to be.

It happened in one generation. But the people who own

all that are probably all Satanists, right right. I've repeated

this before, but it's from Owen Benjamin. He's supposedly a comedian.

I mean, I think he's a comedian. But he said

something very astute which said that it's the conspirators who

says there's no conspiracy, And I think that's that's because

they're on it. So the people who are doing the Eyes,

White Jet stuff or Epstein Network are people who are

running the media. So they're all trafficking people. And that's

the whole scary thing about this whole story is like, right,

there seemed to be network like the Finders and something.

Speaker 1: Else weird is going on. They didn't. I don't think

they got the whole story.

Speaker 2: No, not much like much like Rust and Coal and

True Detective at the end, you didn't get all of

it what he said, right, And I you know, having

just watched True Detective for my first time, the first

season all the way through that right at the very end,

when it's the scene between both of them as they're

sitting at the hospital and rest makes a very interesting

observation that looking up at the night sky that the

darkness holds more.

Speaker 1: Holds more space. Basically referring to you know, the evilness

in the world is you know, outweighs all the light

or the stars. And I think that that's very, very poetic,

especially considering that that's so true, because it seems like

every time we turn around, something like this is being

exposed or covered up again. You know, there's a recent

case in Ohio with you know, all of those kids

from eighteen to year and a half, no record of

them ever existing because they move all the time. The

mom looked like she was on drugs, and you know,

just all sorts of just terrible things all the time.

So the darkness definitely holds more real estate, so to speak.

I agree with that.

Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's really something else. I think the ending,

that kind of the kind of philosophizing is the opposite

of this stark, bleak philosophizing and ros at the beginning.

So it can be easily just there's eight episodes, but

those bookends are very different. Oh yeah, and it's that

process that he becomes the I don't want to I mean,

this is a spoiler.

Speaker 1: For the whole show, but he is the true detective

rest Oh, yes, yes he is for sure. So so yeah,

you were mentioning that it's where the church was.

Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go to the next I can do

the next slide. Here it is. This is a map.

People can see that Ponchatoula is kind of lightly ringed around,

kind of at the center of the map there, which

is directly but I think it's forty five miles east

of Panton Rouge and on the other side of Lake

ponchar train.

Speaker 1: From New Orleans.

Speaker 2: And the church was destroyed in Katrina and then rebuilt, right,

And so it was actually these cases they were arrested

just before Katrina. It's kind of a weird kind of

cosmic event or something because they were wrest rested in

June two thousand and five and Katrina was I think

November two thousand and five or something like that. And

it's not the same church though it's not named anymore.

It's like Christian Life Church.

Speaker 1: Yeah, but there is still a church there. Then it

was basically just repackaged, repainted, rebuilt. Yeah, that's what it

looks like. Yeah, right, which is incredibly interesting. In fact,

when I was looking earlier, I was watching, like I said,

that documentary again, just kind of refreshing myself with the

documentary and what was very interesting there were screenshots of

the search warrant, and I started to notice scene. So

the documents will will show like item number, a description

of the item where it was found, and I started

noticing under the where it was found section it says

building two, like for instance, it says building two, room

forty five. So we're talking a massive place here, I

mean forty five rooms, you know, and that's if that's

all there is, you know. And so just looking at

the list real quick, building two, room forty five, forty three,

forty three, forty three, room eighteen, room thirty, room thirty,

you know, it's like this was a massive place, and

I find it interesting. It was almost according to the

law enforcement, it was almost exclusively a according to them,

pretty much that it took place only in the youth

center of the building. Let's do the youth center right right,

And I honestly just don't believe that it was that

it only took place there. Now knowing that the building,

it seems that there was more than one building, maybe

because it says building too. So I don't know, different

size buildings or different purpose buildings, but at least at

the very least forty five rooms, which is a massive

building unless they're just the tiniest rooms ever, which I

have a hard time believing. So I just wanted to

point that out, is that this is actually a really

large complex basically before it was destroyed. Right, and Patcha

too is not that big. So had it been a

big church like right, I just wonder if I can

find it on the map, I wish you.

Speaker 2: I wonder if I can find the address, because then

you can see the building a big right.

Speaker 1: Well. And what's interesting, so, uh, uh louis Lamonica when

his father was the pastor. All the information I've found, uh,

seems to seems to discuss the fact that they're like

there were thousands of people that attended the church at

it at its height. So I mean, if this place

is large enough to accommodate thousands of people, it's big.

It's big.

Speaker 2: On the map I can bring up and see if

I can bring up the map, see if I can

share the screen. This is it now? I guess it

was an assembly of God.

Speaker 1: Can you see that? Can you bring that map up? Yeah?

Oh wow?

Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's the three buildings like you said, one, two, three.

See what it looks like from the front. That's that's it. Yep,

that's it. They redid it. That's that whole glass now

is there? It wasn't there where signs taken down. But

that's definitely a twenty five to seventy one veterans avenue, right,

So they're interesting.

Speaker 1: Yeah, that's huge mission International communities and it's just like

a pretty big complex, you know.

Speaker 2: Yeah, when they were there in two thousand and five,

there was imagine only fifteen people and they were living

there too.

Speaker 1: Right, we can get a side shot. What what year did Katrina.

Speaker 2: There's the buildings right there, so one, two, three, Oh wow, Yeah,

I'm pretty sure Katrina was late two thousand and five.

Speaker 1: Oh man. And there's you know, I've been reading more

and more stories that there's a rabbit hole. I actually

have fallen down a couple of times where there were

what we know is serial killers that decided to be

quite active after Katrina because of the sheer lawlessness that

was rampant all over the place. So as regarding you know,

the the black market for human trafficking, child trafficking, I'm

sure it was just business was hot, I'm sure, which

is just happening in Venezuela.

Speaker 2: After those two big earthquakes, right right, there's allegations of

people like NGO's like what happened in eight Like oh,

people are showing up behind kids, like this is the

new trend. Like so it happens after every There are

freaking vultures who pop in after these huge events and

people disappear.

Speaker 1: Right, that's unbelievable stuff. Yeah, it's it really is so yeah.

Like I said that the thing that shocks me, Lamonica

came in unprovoked, starts confessing to all of these things,

claimed that the crimes were committed in a youth room.

The windows were blackened out, and let's see, just reading

through my notes real quick. One thing I also thought

was interesting was that the Church at the time, I'm

not sure what its affiliation is now, but at the

time was connected to the Protestants, which anyone who's you know,

done some of this work or even just looked into

the Protestants at all. There's a lot of connections to

the CIA all the way through, especially through the eighties.

Regarding Satanic panic. There were tons of these mega churches

who were pushing Satanic panic propaganda all the way through

the eighties and early nineties. And they so happened to

be either be funded by or ran by agents. It's

just interesting and.

Speaker 2: I think there's more work to be done on louis

Lamonica's dad, Like what's his dad like? If he's able

to put together a thousand person church, he's probably a

big wig for sure. And Ponta too, but it maybe

even in Louisiana, and it gets weird like Louisiana history,

Like if people watch that show, there's the Tuttle. Tuttle

is the kind of pastor who has has the dark

VHS videotape right right. And then he's also Tuttle's brother

is involved in politics as well, and so that I

think emulates something that happened in Louisiana. There's a Landry family.

It's almost like the Bush family of Texas, but the

Landry family is like all involved in business and politics

or was for a long time in Louisiana.

Speaker 1: They were kind of like the power fan only there.

I mean kind of funny too, because it seems like

there's either a small handful or at at the very

least one. Uh. You know, the United States doesn't have royalty,

but it seems as though we actually do in secret.

And it seems like every state or uh, you know,

region has these families. You know, I'm from Utah and

we clearly have LTS. Royalty.

Speaker 2: Romney's are all over the place, right exactly. There was

like a machine in Chicago with the I can't remember

the family there, but.

Speaker 1: They're there. They're here.

Speaker 2: It's the Gettys in California, right, I mean basically Newsome

is a Getdy right by default. I mean he's in

business with one of the Getty's sons.

Speaker 1: He's probably in office because he's not very bright.

Speaker 2: He's not really a self made man at all, right,

it seems very low. His dad was a lawyer in

San Francisco and he went to all the right schools.

So he got into Saint Ignacious as a it's a

what do you call it Jesuit school in San Francis,

and it's known as like that's your entry into society.

Like maybe on the East Coast, you go to the

Ivy League school and you network and that's how you

get you know, San Francisco. You go from San Ignacious

to the Olympic Club and then you're kind of in

kind of San Francisco's Yeah, so once again it's it's

the uh, the fraternities and sororities that are really pulling

these people in which I don't know about you. I've

never understood the fraternity thing. You know, maybe it's just me.

I I don't get it, you know, like that was

the old way to enter it, that was the old

way to write network and get ahead was to join

these fraternities, especially I mean the fraternity is I think

have become turned into more animal houses, but they didn't

know what it used to be.

Speaker 1: And it is a secret society. Guys.

Speaker 2: They have Masonic codes and terms and words and secret

initiations and candles and burning stuff. They used to at least,

so that stuff is really real, Like oh yeah, it's

like the same kind of stuff that happens in skull

and bones, like your brothers. That's what you call them,

a fraternity brother.

Speaker 1: That's the whole idea, right yeah, And it's I don't know.

I mean, I understand, you know, the purpose of networking.

I love networking, but I don't know just the whole

structure in the idea of the fraternity just is really

really interesting. In the chat, Tim Tim West, you don't

want to get jerked off in a coffin, Jacob, No,

not really, you know, especially you know, with a bunch

of other members, you know watching.

Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting, but people don't think that's real.

The Getty Son was known to sleep in a coffin

and he was the benefactor of kenneth Anger. Kenneth Anger

said that he didn't have to pay for international flights.

He would just call Getty Junior and he would pay

for him to fly to your you know, to England.

We just cover the expenses and stuff. So these are

these high level people oftentimes are occultists and Satanists. And

I think that's kind of like what the secret is

behind I mean, that's involved in the narrative true detective,

is that these are wealthy people whose surface lives are

really superficial. They're just facades right.

Speaker 1: Well, And now I find it interesting because, like like

I had mentioned it, it's always a satanic crime, never happens.

But then when these cases like this, you know, eventually

squeak out because they're going to uh, they can't hide them,

hide all of them all the time, they have this

narrative that oh, this is just isolated, this is it.

It's it's not a ring. It's it's not a larger

network or anything. That's what they did.

Speaker 2: That's what they did for Epstein. Right Stein was a

lone pedo.

Speaker 1: He it was just his sick collection. Ye but no,

he is fully networked.

Speaker 2: And they all knew it, right, and they're all lying

because they all so many people got involved in that.

Speaker 1: He blackmailed it through his own actions. Well, and to me,

it seems like you know Manson in a sense, like

everyone now pretends to not know him, but back then

everyone knew him. They knew what he was doing and

what he was up to. They they want to pretend like, oh,

it's like we did, we didn't know who he was.

Yes you did, Yes you did. You don't get to

just start hanging out with Brian Wilson because you're a

nobody and nobody knows you. You know. It's like it's

just interesting, you know, to try and hide that network

and you can see this all over the place. This

is this isn't unique to any one case or any

any one story. So I just find it very interesting.

So you want to kind of get into like exactly

what what is this case? What what did investigators end

up finding? Well, after this two hundred page confession. They

found some of the darkest stuff imaginable. This guy was

confessed to like all kinds of the darkest things matter.

You enumerated them early, and it's and it started. He

was arrested immediately. I don't think he ever got out

of jail. He was arrested, try convicted, and then they

brought in other people around and there was a roundup.

There are other people invested. And this is a really

good article that's still on the internet. I think you

can check it out. And it's from it was from

twenty fourteen, after True Detective came out. But it goes

into this very They all had nickname so it's almost

like a like a criminal gang. You know, that's what

criminal gangs do. They never use their first names or this.

You know, it's always Bobby or Joey or Fat Joe

or whatever.

Speaker 2: That's how that's Yeah, it's a mop thing. It's like

to keep the cops off, Like you don't say, my

name is John Smith Junior and this is my social

Security number. So it's all sketchy stuff. But this is

also like, oh, it's a sick pedophile ring. They even

say it on this article. The title is this is

a daily mail. But this is so he walked in

on the sixteenth of May two thousand and five and

still was called pastor. But Satanic Ritchel's child abuse and

human by animal sacrifice, that's what he admitted to. Who

knows if, like they need to see if like other

crimes are committed around this time, right, But these are

the guys. So there's La Monica. That's his wife who

left like two weeks early, went to Chicago. That's Austin

Trey Bernardo who also as a life sentence. He was

known as the Mastermind and stuff really dark stuff happened

with him and his one year old daughter crazy.

Speaker 1: And then there's his wife.

Speaker 2: She had called the sheriff to spill the beans on

the cult just two days before Lomnica made his confession.

So something something was going on, like it was falling

apart internally, I think, right, And these are all like

the guys here, I mean, you can just go through

this like confession mail online saw it. Lamonica sat down

and announced, I want to talk about the dedication to

Satan of a baby. I was held at the church

upstairs and what was called the youth room it's covered

in black like black paper to keep it dark. There

was a pentagram book of spells and temptations. And if

this happened so often in these crimes, because the cops

are really focused on the criminal acts, not the kind

of ideology that was going on, they never follow up

on what books they had or who they were inspired by,

or if there was a larger like satanic group who

inspired them or were around, right, because like even in

the West Memphis three, they were not like just three

guys alone.

Speaker 1: They were network.

Speaker 2: There were groups of people and there were lists by

the cops of other people that the West Memphis three

were hanging out. They literally had a guy who was

some kind of overlord they called Lucifer another nickname, and

that guy was never identified, so like they could have

unraveled like a huge criminal network. So this is it,

But then here it is all different ages then thirty six,

forty five, Paul Fontino. These names are are repeated. This

is how you know Hosanna influenced True Detective, because these

names are repeated in True Detective. He literally piss a

lot of literally lifted the same last names from Hosanna

into True Detective. Fontineau was one of them, and I

think Loot was one too that they lifted in there.

You just put it in there.

Speaker 1: I think Fontana was one of the darker ones, right,

And and so they they literally did find a satanic

ritual abuse ring, right, traumatizing stuff had to be. They

actually dug up the back of the church. They didn't

found anything, find anything, but they were looking for evidence.

You can see some pictures I think they're in that

documentary by Vice, where they literally had heavy machinery like

digging up the back looking for something. They found it, right, Yeah,

And there was an interesting point in that docum mentory

when they they meaning the FBI in fact, it was

let me be sure to write this down. Tom Tedder,

special agent FBI Baton Rouge Office, Special Agent Tedder mentioned

the fact that they never found any evidence of Satanic rituals,

and it's like, really, then where did all that come from?

You know, like that that doesn't just hit the news

because you know, if there's actually not anything satanic about

these things, then that actually never gets brought up, right,

like we have the Charlie Kirk stuff going on right now.

There's no satanic you know, involvement in this case, at

least that we know of, and so there's no news

being reported on that. But then you have a case

like this where it's all over the place, it's reported

almost in everything reported on it. And then to say

that there's no like satanic anything about it just it's odd.

It's odd to me. It is odd. It's very odd.

Speaker 2: I mean, it's I think that there's like you're up

against this whole kind of culture and ideology that satanic

influenced crimes don't exist.

Speaker 1: And it goes back to Landing.

Speaker 2: There's a whole bunch of people who are involved in

not and it goes back to McMartin and the witch

hunt narrative and all this other stuff. So you have

satanic panic and witch hunt are like almost the coral

areas because oh yeah, this is a witch hunt. Well

what if you're a witch?

Speaker 1: They've had that hold on, Oh you're fine anyway, So

they have like this whole thing.

Speaker 2: And then and then the the effect on people is

to if you're investigating these they immediately put you into

a lunatic box. This it's ordered, and then then they

rely on experts. So there's a whole like almost a

list of these things have been through. I've seen them all.

There's the reliance on Ken Lanning says there's no satanic

it's just pedophile covered right, So that's it. And then

you're crazy and there's no evidence and there's no such

thing as a satanic influence crime. And then it goes

back to what I said about about Ohen Benjamin were

conspired's who said there's no conspiracy conspiracy, and then you realize, like,

wha these people are, like I forgot what the guy's

name is. The FBI agent investigated mc martin said that

next to a KENO Crowley in the they Ken Lanning

was one of the most evil people ever because he perpetuated.

Speaker 1: This stuff right right, I mean it makes total sense.

Speaker 2: But this is like really dark, Like there's like this

is a story like when you like, I've read so

much about satanic kind of cool crimes. There are multiple

stories from different people where people will shape shift. There's

literal like stories of shape shifting and literally Lewis Lamonica

Junior said he would shape shift, right, It's really incredible.

And there's somebody in one of the victims of Epstein

said Epstein shape shifted which is really dark and he's

super he's an occultist and he's super dark and a cannibal.

Speaker 1: So I do believe that I could prove in a

court of law that Epstein was eating people eating, right,

And yeah, I made sure to write this down. He

the Lomonica claimed demonic possession and that his face would distort, which.

Speaker 2: It's right here, he says it right here, like right,

it's right in this article, like according to meeting certain

girls we picked to have SEXU relationship. Guys would line

up one by one they have sex with his codes

group sex there was men and women. There were feces

around and urine. These are all consistent satanic rituals. Who

become distorted by the devil and that demons would change

him into an animal, a snake, a fox, wolf, spiders,

And this is all very consistent with like the masks

of the animal mask and rituals and these things. Is

because they're emulating some of the stuff that may happen

in these demonic rituals.

Speaker 1: Right, yeah, absolutely, And I found it interesting as well

that so I was going to look into this a

little bit more. But not only were they specifically sacrificing cats,

and I believe other animals, but cats were the big thing,

which largely had to do with you know, blood magic,

the blood rituals. But they specifically mentioned in the documents foxes,

fox hair snakes, and specifically I thought this was odd.

Wolf spiders. Now, I think the wolf thing is very

interesting because in fairy tales that the wolf is always

you know, antagonizing, especially the antagonizing and hunting the children.

Almost in every fairy tale, you know, it's it's always

the wolves, and so a wolf spider I just thought

that was kind of in a very specific thing, you know,

that was very very odd.

Speaker 2: It shows that they're detailed, right, these are not casual practitioners.

They've got like in this New Orleans is an epicenter

for the occult voodoo. There's literally voodoo shops where you

can get all these implements, and it sounds to me

that these guys were connected with that, those that kind

of underground if you remember, like a really scary movie,

Angel Heart takes place there too, and these, yes, so

they're kind of reminiscent of that as well. So there's

a huge African American population there. I think that's seventy

percent of New Orleans is African American with a lot

of voodoo and all kinds of different stuff going on there. Right,

so I think that they're I think that some of

that stuff like seeped into what these guys are doing.

They seem to have knowledge of it. This article goes

on to say they all had these nicknames, the Lady,

the Mastermind, and the Chief. He said, the secret Seri

Monica said. The ceremony started in nineteen ninety nine. He

was arrested in two thousand and five, so that's six

years carried on. When they separated, he moved out of

the church building Bernard's. It was Bernard's wife who took

the kid and went to Ohio. Right, they were calling stuff,

So I think they knew the heat was on, or

he knew.

Speaker 1: So, just to address this comment real quick, neither of

us are conflating the two.

Speaker 2: So, but it's a form of occultism, guys. Sorry, it

is occultism. Yeah, it may not be Satanism per se,

but it's a cultism. Sorry, right, yeah, one hundred per

one hundred percent. But yeah, as a former Satanist myself, yeah,

obviously voodoo has nothing to do with Satanism. Nor does

Satanism have anything to do with voodoo. So but yeah,

so there's a cop involved, bond of trust revocably broken,

there's a reclue including not just a man of the cloth,

but a man of the law too. Right, it made

sense that chef he was a sheriff's deputy, chrysal the

bots in action, right, they went to that detail gets

glossed over. Yeah, sure, does you know it does like

he does not do anything because he's in on it, baby, right,

right exactly.

Speaker 1: Also, Uh, we were not saying that Hosanna was voodoo adjacent.

I will latantly say that it was satanic, though they

said it was satanic.

Speaker 2: Said they were trying to contact the double What I'm saying,

I mean, I don't know. Some people are deliberately miscontrue

miscons true words for whatever. Oh of course, Like I'm

saying that there this happened in an involvement where people

go to New Orleans because it's like an esoteric center.

You can get tarot readings. You know, there's shops all over,

like uh Orleans down down in the French Quarter. I mean,

it's the the mixture of New Age occultism. I mean,

I I think I just repeated myself. You know, new

age and occult is like the same thing. But you

know it is a broad fit phrase. You can you

can substitute esotericism is fine, That's right.

Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I don't know, it's it's very interesting.

But the fact that this this happened down here, and

honestly I had never really heard about this case other

than in passing sort of.

Speaker 2: It's not covered by almost anybody. I don't think anybody

else ever covered this case in the in the traditional

vice of course, but in the traditional media or even

in the alternate podcast.

Speaker 1: Media, people don't know about it.

Speaker 2: And it's so important because how important true detective is

right as as a kind of, like I said, a watermarker,

like an eye watermark of the kind of new episodic

shows and culture that aren't films, not necessarily TV shows,

but you know now like on Netflix, they're just almost

everything is like three episodes or six episodes or whatever.

But this is interesting, this this mail online really like

you said. They point this out when Bernard shared a

notebook which he wrote of the abuse, Brown took the

writing and described his stomach turning to Labot and was

left wondering why nothing came of it, So there's an

obstruction of justice charge.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 2: It did not occur to him that the gun toting

law man I'm seen right here on the bottom right

was himself one of the group, which Bernard later referred

to as perverted musketeers, one for all and all for one.

Strange jeez. And he I don't know why this guy

had all the charges dropped. So he's walking free. It

sounds like they'd not had the goods of right.

Speaker 1: Yeah, there there actually were several people that got very

very light sentences from what I understand, and there were

a few people that definitely never ended up spending any

time or that they got a light sentence such as

like probation for some of this.

Speaker 2: So one by one interrogated. So this is a big

police and volment. I think the guy on the Vice

videos said he walked in, talked to Lemonica, and was

busy for three months. So it wasn't like they just

opened and shut the case or like, oh we just

did one week and they had a whole Yeah, and

you can see in the video, which was I think

from twenty fourteen, that they had a whole trailer of evidence.

Speaker 1: They had this huge amount of evidence.

Speaker 2: That's sitting there, right, and it's it's it's independent, but

it's like a whole like semi like a semi truck trailer.

Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. It even included drywall, you know which, And

that's what they said, is that there was some kind

of writing you could only see with black black light, yeah,

which blew my mind. This is very intentional. This is

also somebody who knows exactly what they're doing, and it

reflects what was in the true detective. Right, there's riding

on the walls and scribbling on the walls, right right.

Damien Nichols is in New Orleans. I think he's centered

in New Orleans right now. He went from and got

kicked out of Salem, right, Yeah, he went from there

to Salem to New York to New Orleans. Who he's

in New Orleans And there is that Oh their name

is escaping me that the trans process member Peorge.

Speaker 2: Do you know when the Processed Church moved from England

to the north of Mexico to New Orleans?

Speaker 1: Right?

Speaker 2: They were headquartered in New Orleans during the early sixties.

There's actually weird overlaps between them and some of these

characters from the JFK assassination. Because one of these guys,

I think his name was Bouemler. He was associated with

Banister and Baumbler incorporated the Processed Church in New Orleans

as a business.

Speaker 1: Of course.

Speaker 2: Of course, so people who say that New Orleans is

just it's a border town with a lot of like

almost like a wild West under around to it's super

lawless too. It's so dangerous.

Speaker 1: When I was there, I was like, wow, thank youous, Genesis,

thank you. Yes. Yeah, there's pictures of them together. There's

video I think they did like a short film or

something while they were down there together. Is incredibly odd.

Speaker 2: One more thing just to just to break in Jenda

Ti Genesis porge to Jeffrey Epstein through a guy named

joy Edo. Yeah, Joey Edo was one of Genesis's friends.

He used to stay with Genesis would stay with him,

and George is like one of the real first trans activists.

And he wasn't just an activist. He believed that the

trans movement would be like the avant garde of Satan's

like army, like these trans people would be that. It's

very He's a very important figure in the trans movement

that nobody even really mentions or brings up. And I

write about him in my book Children.

Speaker 1: He's just googled that thing. Eh yeah, yeah. So anyway,

so this case is incredible. It's just something nice. While

this is kind of the topic, there's one detail of

the West Memphis three that just keeps sticking out to me,

and it gets glossed over so much, and it's the

detail of when Damien basically knew he was up shit

Creek without a paddle, and he told the investigators that

he would tell them the truth of everything if he

could speak to his mother, and she comes in, they speak,

and then he clams up. In your opinion, like, do

you think this is related to some of the larger

like occult activities? Now? The reason I ask is because

there were always occult activities there in the area. Of course,

there's also major occult activities across the river over in

Memphis itself. But she was admittedly, it's proven that she

was the one that was always getting him these occult books,

taking him to go to the library and encouraging this

sort of stuff, And it just kind of seems weird

that she's involved. When you really start looking at it.

She sure seems to be.

Speaker 2: I mean even that same year when they were arrested

in nineteen ninety three, you can see this in the

court documents and probably on the way Back machine. She

was over at the river's edge at a bonfire and

somebody got shot and died, like literally one of her roommates.

And so they were out in late at night, strange,

and I don't think they were ever charged, but there

was elements of like somebody hid the gun, if I

remember correctly.

Speaker 1: So I do think that Eckles.

Speaker 2: Grew up in an environment that was the mom never worked,

you know, she was of both of those two parents.

Both Baldwin and Eccles were very strange trailer park people

like Baldwin's mom would just disappear for three or four days.

So the Baldwin was just like a street kid, and

so Echles in that same way, like there wasn't a strong.

Speaker 1: Literal laughter kids. Yeah, so it makes so much sense.

Speaker 2: Yeah, and she had to have known there were He

was a reader and there, like you said, there's stuff

in the court, like my mom would take me to

bookstores to find books, like to find books for him.

So she was facilitating certain things, and she seemed to

make apologies for him him right. And I'm doing a

show tomorrow with Roberto Class. We're going to cover just

Exhibit five hundred, which tells a lot of the stories

about him, everything that happened leading up to May fifth,

nineteen ninety three. And I mean, it's just fascinating because

he was just on Drew Pinski. He's like a nationwide figure, like,

and apparently he's taking a break. I don't know what's

going on with him, but it is weird that it

kind of overlaps with this and the fact that he

moved to New Orleans, right, And there's actually videos of

echos like traveling around New Orleans talking about the occult spots.

So jeez, it's like, God, it's so strange how this

kind of all this stuff is like in this environment,

exists in the psychosphere or whatever.

Speaker 1: Well, and what's interesting is, you know this occult underground

network that the communities there's so there, there's way more

people than you think or using you know, the broader everyone,

but in actuality it's not all that big. You know,

like there is a lot of people, right, but the

movers and the shakers, there's not a lot of people.

It's a pretty close knit, tight circle. It's almost like

you know, the six degrees of Kevin Bacon, almost like

everyone within occult circles, people that take it seriously, people

that you know, attend rituals or whatever. You're only two

to three people away from almost anyone you know. And

there's there's people that you may never meet or may

never even hear of, but you're still only two to

three people away.

Speaker 2: I think that's the same way in like the Christian

community too, Like people kind of know each other and stuff, right,

But so or whatever, I may be, whatever sect you're

involved in if you're Baptists, right of no other main

mainline people in that whatever that sect of Christianity. So right,

But yeah, I think that the mother was Just to

answer your earlier question, I think the mother was involved

in that stuff too, and that's why he was. There

was actually a drawing of eCos that I have somewhere

or like he was a kid and like in fifth

grade somebody wrote on their Satanist right, so they knew

from an early age.

Speaker 1: He was doing. Yeah, he was. I think he just

grew up in that kind of family. I think, well,

right in my opinion, same, same. It just makes sense

to me that what her name is escaping me for

a moment that the woman that was introduced to Damien

through Jesse, she was she She gave testimony during the

trial and ended up later recanting it a few years later.

I can't remember, but can say that again, I'm looking

at what there was a woman that was asked the

prosecution to go and like try and get something out

of Damien. It just seemed like it was the hauling

Worth holling Worth person and her kid too, or yes,

it just seemed like she was so comfortable with doing that.

And then everyone kept talking about Damien being a Satanist

or an occultist and how everyone was terrified of him,

like everyone knew that he was not a person to

mess with. And I have a hard time believing that

it was simply just because he was unpredictable, you know.

But I do believe that there was definitely some sort

of larger network or you know, cult for lack of

a better term, that was active in the area. I'm

sure there still is.

Speaker 2: There's no question about it. It's provable, like they would

go to a Stonehenge. If you look at miss Kelly's

like first confession among six or seven, I can't count

an some of them are recorded. They always conveniently leave

these out. But he's talking about sacrificing dogs much like

Halosana eating them bonfires, you know, a place of ruin

Stonehenge was an old cotton gin. And then they're like,

actually it's on the cover of my book or actually

some of the spray paintings from stone Edge. That's why

I used them because it was like a pin right,

So this is and there's a list of a potential network.

So the cops were investigating, they took there's a lot

of statement that the police statements are incredible in the

West Memphis three case, which is why I put him

in abomination because even this guy like it's making these

statements like, oh yeah, it's a network. Everybody did this

and this I was busted for pedophilia too, and and

his name was I can't remember the statement right now,

but he's like, oh yeah, Lucifer, and we were all

doing this. We all knew. And then even at Opperman,

like he interviewed somebody about Eccle's girlfriend at the time,

Dominie Tear, and her family, like were witches or something

like that in California.

Speaker 1: And then one of them said, oh, yeah, we drink blood.

Mom drinks blood. I drink blood. You drink blood.

Speaker 2: Like who made that statement? Unless you're comfortable with that stuff.

So Eccles is Echles's girlfriends family's into that stuff too,

So talk about a small community. That's probably why they're together.

I don't even know if Domini's a real name. One

of the interesting things, like one of the key elements

of the whole court case was another there were like

multiple cousins and stuff, so it was the whole haullings

Worth family saw Echos with many tear near the scene

of the crime on the night of the murders, and

they testified it, even the kids did. But one of

the interesting things about the woman is like she saw

Dominie tear grow up, Like she literally held Dominie tier

when she was in swaddling cloths like a child, So

I would believe that she would be able to see

her as a sixteen seventeen year old, which also would

explain why the girlfriend before Dominie was terrified that the

one that Damien ran away with that when he started

talking to her about wanting to get her pregnant in

order to sacrifice the child, and that girlfriend freaked out,

whereas in Dominie had also mentioned the same thing, that

she was going to get pregnant in order to sacrifice

the child, and she was okay with it. You know,

like that boy who's still alive their offspring, Dominie Tier

and Echoes kid who's like I think in Arizona, and

they have arrest records for him. He's lucky to be alive.

Maybe in my opinion, right the other woman in Eccle's book.

I know we're kind off topic, but in Eccle's book

Life After Death, he admits that that girl's parents, once

they like separated his parents, her parents put her in

some kind of like home to like decultize her or whatever.

D programmer.

Speaker 1: I do.

Speaker 2: I do know her name, somebody in the chat may

know it. But Deanna Hoolecomb I think was her name.

Speaker 1: Is that one of them?

Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's Deanna Holcomb. But like her parents

put her into some kind of special housing to like

get her.

Speaker 1: Away from all that stuff. So it's pretty wild. So

I do agree, it's kind of not like directly related,

but I do think it does pertain to all of

this because once again, these are networks, and these networks

are all connected at a certain point. I mean they

they kind of have to be, otherwise they're not going

to sustain themselves. Yeah.

Speaker 2: We did that show on the Satanic pattern with Austin, right,

and Austin and I did a show where we're like,

these are all these pedo groups from the eighties and

nineties were all networked. Yes, they literally had overlapping people

with a Kino and the and Gacy and Atlanta child murderers, right,

and I mean moving around.

Speaker 1: I think that is the largest misconce misconception regarding uh

this underground, this criminal underground, uh this this black market,

is that these are although they might be independent cults,

they might be independent groups or whatever, it's all one group. Really.

When you zoom out far enough, this this cult in

that the Hosanna Church stuff is tied to Epstein somehow,

you know, it's tied to the West Memphis three it.

When you zoom out far enough, eventually the octopus reveals itself, right,

because these people, these criminals hang out with other criminals,

you know, like they're they're not going to uh not

hang out with these people, and you you can kind

of piece that together with you know, certain testimonies that

have been given over the years. There's a oh, his

name is escaping me. I should have brought this up

ahead of time, But there's a a former Satanists that

does interviews every now and then. He's actually somebody in

the chat might know. He's a he's a blind man.

I can't remember his name, but he's kind of like

an Illuminati whistleblower. And he talks about in his younger

years where he kind of jumped from coven to coven,

tolt to cult because they were all kind of connected,

Like he was graduating to more serious and more serious

cults as he got older, and it started with him basically,

this one family unit was like the lowest level coven

of all of these magic practicing Satanists. And then they

introduced him to another cult which was ran by somebody,

and then he joined that group, and then he graduated

to a next one that was an even bigger organization.

And this is just the ultimate structure of these It's

just like anything else in life. It's just what they

handle is not normal, you know, It's this is just

like because in my opinion, the the hierarchical structure of

like politics, or society or or anything is like the

natural order of things. It's fairly natural for things like

this to be structured in such a way. It's just

what sort of group are you? Is? You know, whether

it's going to be good or not. But that the

organization itself, that the structure of the pyramid structure is,

it exists. It's the natural order of things, and even

if people try not to, it will eventually end up

being organized this way because of well, it's just how

things are, you know, so, and.

Speaker 2: That's the common perception. It goes back to this kind

of stove piping where people's perceptions are deliberately narrowed into

a smaller worldview. When if you read enough of Crawley,

I have like he's connected to everything, and he encouraged

all the occultists to join every other occult order. So

like Croby himself said, like he had enough for gallia

and signs and things to cover an elephant. And so oftentimes,

like the cops, they're just not interested in seeing these

larger networks echoes to me his network, by his own admission,

he used to cross over the bridge into uh into

Memphis and meet some guy, some older guy, like some

middle aged guy. Like it's kind of unusual if you're

a teen to go meet some middle aged people and

you know they're like William clem blyh is this the memory?

That's the statement of the guy who talks about Lucifer

Alvis clem Bly like a real Southern name, right that

if you can just type in Alvis clem Bly and

read that yourself, people, it shows that there's something else

going on. It's not a matter for a criminal court

to to bring up, but it's well, it has a

very true detective vibe because this guy was like busted

pedophilia and he was a real Southerner, not real, you know,

not the brightest pool, so to speak, but like that

that's kind of the rarity of West Memphis.

Speaker 1: Is like Echoes himself.

Speaker 2: Is kind of a bright guy actually growing up in

a place of Lara, kind of lower middle class, working

class hero type people, right, and so kind of to

bring it back full circle and back to Hosanna, I

think the thing that scares me the most about this

case specifically is that almost everyone involved looks so normal. Yeah,

I mean you know with Damien, Damien wears it on

his sleeve, you know, like it's clear he's an occultist.

Speaker 1: You know, there's no hiding it. But these people, especially Spare,

especially U lu Monica, and you can just go back

and see his picture. Yeah, it looks like a high

school football coach or right. And like if it wasn't

for this, you wouldn't have been able to pick these

people out of crowd. You know, they're they're just they're

so normal, and it's almost just like any anybody else

that are involved in these sorts of in these sorts

of crimes, it's just they're so normal. You know, life

has a funny way of hiding the bad people because

they don't have a big twirly mustache and you know,

wear a cape and a top hat. So I do

find it interesting, though, is that with this case. I

mean it's blatant what was being done. It's blatant the

way in which this is talked about and everything and

all the coverage, and yet for some reason, even like

I said that the FBI agent said that there was

no Satanic connection, It's like.

Speaker 2: It's the same thing happened with the West Memphis. It's

satanic panic stuff we've talked about. People can go check

our old show. It's just like the evidence says something different.

I mean this whole thing, right, like feces and urine

and animals and shape shifting like come on, right, So

I I find it interesting that Nick how do you

pronounce his last name? Yeah, hinted that the case was

inspired by HBO's massive hit True Detective, in which detectives.

Speaker 1: Marty Hart and Rust Cole play Wood, he Else, and

Matthew McConaughey uncover a string of ritualistic satanic murders committed

under the cover of a powerful evangelical establishment in South Louisiana.

Let's see, there's something in here that was important to

read that I was going to bring up. Let's see,

Major Carpenter sixty two recalled Lamonica walked into my office

and sat down just as calm as you and me talking. Now.

I was detective supervisor at the time when he came in.

He basically thought that after he told us what he did,

he was just going to go on about his business

of the day, listening to him. Let's see, listening to

him here here were we're all Christian. It kind of

floored me. You're talking about a man who profess, who

professes to be a preacher, a pastor, and a leader,

abusing children and worshiping Satan. I'm an old guy. I'm

coming up to retire in a couple of years. I

thought I had seen it all, and sometimes I reckon,

you have seen it all, only in different ways. Then

something like this happens and stays with you. In his

confession seen by online mail, Lamonica sat down and announced, quote,

I want to talk about the dedication to Satan of

a baby. It was held at the church upstairs, in

what was called the youth room. He went on to

describe a room where all the windows were covered in black,

like black paper, keep it dark. There was a pentagram

in the middle of the floor, he said, in a

book of spells and temptations. On this occasion, he claimed

there were five others present, Austin Tray Bernard the third

then thirty six, Lamonica's wife, Robin forty five, church member

Paul Fants not I believe twenty one, sheriff's deputy Chris

Leabat twenty four, and Patricia Trish Pearson fifty six, all

but Lea bat later pleaded guilty to charges ranging from

aggravated rape to sexual battery to obstruction of justice. Lea

Bat was charged with child pornography, but subsequently the charges

were dismissed, which is wild. Get out of here with that.

I mean, it's wild to me people will still look

at this and just deny that anything ever happened. And

there were people from my understanding from what little research

I have done, which is you know, slowly changing as

I'm focusing on this case more and more, but it

there were actually more arrests that were supposed to happen

and they didn't end up happening. There were In the

show you did with the California crew mentioned something about

there were other names that were brought up by the victims,

by the survivors, and they were never identified, at least

as far as we know, right.

Speaker 2: Right right, they only got the two guys for life sentences.

I don't know how the other people they were charged.

I guess they played guilty, So I don't know how

if their sentences were carried out or what's going on.

Speaker 1: So like, it's been twenty years, two years. Have you

ever looked and you know, seen who's still in well

obviously the people that are charged with life. You're still

good and all. Yeah, Austin, that's right, Austin Bernard. Other

than that, have you seen anything about where anyone else

is I have not.

Speaker 2: I haven't looked into it. I mean, I'm sure I

could track them down right just doing that doing the legwork.

Do you know anything about any of the any of

the victims, because it seems pretty quiet.

Speaker 1: I mean, even even Lamonica's boys ended up recanting their

statements a few years after the fact. No, I don't,

I don't. I think most of those people just fled away,

and you know, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2: I'm interested. Nobody seemed to want to come forward. I mean, Epstein,

there's so many victims and so many testimonies now, but

this one, they they don't seem to really want to

keep the story alive.

Speaker 1: That seems like so it says here La Monica stated

quote they would start off like a church service, but

it was satanic music. I'm not sure what they mean

by that. I have a hard time believing though, that

it would be like death metal or something. It was

probably like classical music or something. There were candles burning,

dark red candle holders and the dedication of a baby

into Satan, and the dedication of a baby into Satan

with this pentagram. She was put in the middle in

a black dress. He described chanting around the child, Trey

Bernard's daughter, who Trey Austin. Trey Bernard admitted to inappropriately

having relations with his daughter. She was barely one year

old at the time. And when they dedicated Bernard's daughter,

they were all standing in a circle, girls in the

middle of the pentagram, candles burning, everyone chanting. They killed

a cat, drained its blood in order for everyone to partake,

and the blood drinking, and apparently they poured the remaining

blood all over the child. Which now this is just

what's been reported. So whatever was never reported, I can

only imagine is so much worse, is so much worse

than what we know.

Speaker 2: Usually what happens is these are kind of predicate acts

leading up to the worst of all acts a human

set as there's some kind of humans. So when you

see all I mean, I've studied this for so long,

when you see all these other things, that's what's next.

That's what happened with the West Memphis three. They escalated

all the way up that ladder in the end, was

what happened, in my opinion, what happened on May fifth,

nineteen ninety three. And so what else is going on here?

I think there's a lot of questions to be asked.

I don't know if these guys may have told the

whole story, much like the cops said in the in

the Vice documentary, right, you know, I automatically just start wondering,

you know, was was this also a child porn production ring?

Speaker 1: You know? Were they producing snuff films? You know, trafficking? Yeah,

the trafficking.

Speaker 2: And they're bringing a bunch of kids around this youth

center and people are coming and going, and there's a

huge parking lot.

Speaker 1: Right, what else?

Speaker 2: How they how there's no evidence of how they made money?

I mean, there was a cop, but these guys that

didn't seem like the monica had a job rather than

being a pastor, right, I mean, were they running drugs?

Speaker 1: Guns?

Speaker 2: All?

Speaker 1: All of the above?

Speaker 2: You know?

Speaker 1: I just I don't know that there's so much here

that's not quite answered. And the fact that this is

not a larger case is like larger in the sense

of being talked about, is wild to me, absolutely wild.

Other other than the you know, the satanic panic. You're

crazy if you talk about this stuff. Do you think

there's like any other reason why this isn't why this

one's just kind of swept under the rug, Like do

you think it's maybe maybe because it's so blatant that

it's just ignored. I think it's a good question. I

don't know.

Speaker 2: I think it's time and interest and satanic panic and

the interests of the corporate media, the kind of time

frames where they don't do a lot of deeper research.

I also think that the internet makes it easier to

put all this together, so so you know, we can

watch the Vice documentary and look at the newspaper articles

and research and put it all together so you see

it from all of its many facets, not just like

one article like this. So I think that and also

kind of grows in importance, especially this one attached to

True Detective. It's the background for True Detective.

Speaker 1: Right. Why do you think that this was the case

that he decided to choose Do you have an opinion

on that? I don't know.

Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense like if he was wanting

to write on that subject matter that he's local. I

think he's from Baton Rouge. I know Petz a Loto

is from Louisiana, so and I know that he he

writes on a different variety of subjects, much like anybody

who writes fiction. He writes other dramas, and he's written

the True Detective stuff.

Speaker 1: But I think that.

Speaker 2: He was also featured in the one of the episodes too.

Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I did see that where he was the

bartender in the gay bar. But so I think, you know,

just like anybody else, they're looking a story or do

they have a story. But if somebody who's there within

like one hundred miles and this story made of I

mean they say in that article of the Daily Mail

article or the Mail online article, it reverberated through the

Christian community. So he may have personally had this reverberation

went through the whole community down there in South Louisiana

and like.

Speaker 2: Wow, this is really dark. So I think that that

may have been his inspiration. How there's more to be

researched on how True Detective came together or it is

interesting because it is unique and it deals with this

subject matter and it seemed to be attached by two

kind of actors. Who were you know, doing romance stuff

and uh, you know, comedy movies. I think, why would

these two people say, yeah, this is what I want

to be involved in, right, I think it was a

big decis it's a smart decision for them because people

will keep watching this over and over, like I've watched

it like two or three times now, Right, So I

think that how this this this group came together for

this thing is is there's more to the story. I

think that's important, Yeah, most most definitely. I I just

find it interesting that, of course that the same satanic

panic narrative is, you know, this stuff doesn't exist. Satanists

don't hurt children, because it says so on their website,

so obviously they're not lying, you know. And but yeah,

but these cases keep popping up all over the place,

Like even just in preparation for this show, I was

just searching this case specifically, and even in the search

results there were case after case after case of this happening.

In fact, I pulled up a Daily Mail article it

looks like from twenty twenty three. The title of the

article is Satanic child abuse ring shut victims in Oven

forced them to kill animals and film themselves. Well, I'm

just going to leave that out just for you know,

sake of not getting the stream nuked. But eleven people

were members of a pedophile ring. The group is alleged

to have abused children in Glasgow, Scotland over ten years,

so very clearly a lot of people if it was

over a ten year period. It is claimed members of

the group abuse three young children, at least three young

children that they know of. Glasgow High Court heard the

children were forced to take part in witchcraft two. There's

another case I've never heard of. But this just keeps

happening over and over and over and over again. And somehow.

Speaker 1: Satanists don't harm children, William. So that's one of their

things that they That's like one of their.

Speaker 2: Commonly used phrases, right, like Satanism isn't about harming children

when Crowley's like raping two year olds by his own

admission in his dietary.

Speaker 1: Right, he's no moral lies, right. I just find it

incredibly interesting. In fact, we've got an Australian case right now.

You know, the same thing is busting up a massive

online pedophile from what I understand, a child pornography and

snuff ring.

Speaker 2: You know, there's one in Israel. There's a case in

Israel that went all the way to their Knesset and

people died. The girl who came forward to talk about

it died, So like you had yaou of God, You've

got so many that's Brazil, right, So it's endemic.

Speaker 1: It's there.

Speaker 2: It's you know, you have all these cases with Savile Epstein.

So there's really just a very dark and I think

that's what True Detective keyed into is there's just a

dark underbelly and human experience and it gets super dark, right,

It's Epstein's super dark. There are kids missing, kids being raped,

there are infants being taken away, like it's really there's

hints of human sacrifice that people haven't come across yet,

but it's there.

Speaker 1: And murder.

Speaker 2: So it's like, you don't know what these guys did

to cover stuff up. You don't know if there's suspicious

deaths around this church or anything. Like, you don't know

what crimes they've gotten away with. It's almost like it's

a it's these If they're doing this stuff, they're probably

doing other you know, it's easy to deal drugs or

poison somebody or facilitate hits.

Speaker 1: Things, right, right, I actually have this huge, this huge

list of all of these cases in involving Satanism on

some level. Here's another headline from twenty sixteen, the new

sex abuse scandal. Twenty four hundred doctors implicated by patients.

More than two four hundred US doctors have been sanctioned

for sexually abusing their patients, according to a new report.

Another headline, how can social services lose eighteen thousand children

and not look for them? Twenty nineteen, out of the

Arizona Central internal prison files suggest Epstein's suicide cover up. Yeah,

no surprise there. Let's see, there was a Florida grand

jury focused on unaccompanied migrant children blaspheds and new new

report talking about all the migrant children being trafficked that

were just given to foster households and now there's no

record of them. Hmm. Interesting. Let's see, there was a

bunch more in this. The point of me bringing that up,

it's just that this, this just keeps happening over and

over and over, and you know, in my opinion, I

think that this is probably one of the it is

the largest issue of our time, and it's being completely ignored.

In fact, not even just ignored. It is being covered

up clearly, which is honestly one of the largest reasons

why I decided to start speaking out about my experiences

as a Satanist. You know, I didn't want to for

a long time because you know, I don't think it

was really that important, or at least I felt as

though it wasn't super important. But I do kind of

feel that it is important to at least explain from

you know, the the aspect that this stuff is real

and it's a lot more common than people would think.

And also it's not something that should be taken lightly,

whether you know, people believe that this stuff is a

joke or not. Like I agree, like these people are ridiculous, right,

but also there's a lot of people that take this

very seriously. They take their faith a hell of a

lot more serious than a lot of Christians that I know,

and uh, it makes it makes people incredibly dangerous. In fact,

something I find interesting is that I'll hear I I

heard this when I was a Satanist, is that Levein

Satanists are just they're they're fakes or they're you know,

just the the Malgoth equivalent of Satanists. You know, like

they're they're not real Satanists or whatever. It's that the

people like Luciferians or Crowley I, or you know, groups

like nine A or whatever, or the real Satanists. And

it's like no, no, no, no, that's not even close

to true. Because what makes Leaveyan Satanism so dangerous is that,

for one, it's accessible, it's super accessible, but it is

based upon, you know, the four tenants of Satanism, which

is basically like ultimate egoism, social Darwinism, and then let's

see what were the other twos social Darwinism, eugenics, and

the fourth ones escaping me. But these are all four

tenants that you find across all versions of Satanism. It

doesn't matter, you know, pick your flavor. You know, it's

like Basking Robin's the thirty one flavors or whatever, and

these are the four tenants that will literally be found

in all of them. And LaVey and Satanism made it pallable,

palatable for the average American. I mean, Leavey is like

almost a household name, you know, He's done more for

Satanism than almost anyone other than maybe Ken Lanning, you know.

So it's it's just incredibly interesting. I really hope that

people are kind of waking up to this, you know,

with the amazing work that you do. Uh, you know,

it's it's uh. I think it's just so much more

important than people actually give it credit for, because this

this actually affects all of us, you know. So there

there was one thing I wanted to ask you directly,

and it's let's see, let me see if I can

find it real quick while I look for that.

Speaker 2: There's one thing, like I've seen so many evil people

that at a certain point, like now, if I see

somebody doing an evil act or as part of it,

I always just their default is they're probably Satanists in

their network, like that's like it, and then eventually pop

about like Epstein, like oh, he's just an independent pedophile,

and then like, no, this guy is a network murderer,

subverting the culture. Drug runner possibly, right. I mean, it's

just I'm not saying he's actively involved in murder, but

there's elements within those files where they're like, oh, yeah,

I've got this ex Special Forces guy to do this job.

Like who says that you don't need a special Forces

guy to low your freaking lawn. You only get them

because they've been in action past.

Speaker 1: So it's.

Speaker 2: Just to follow up on your ad to what you said.

It's there no question people are very dangerous. It's the

cause of so many like crimes and wrongdoings and all

that stuff.

Speaker 1: Right, well, and do you believe that I at least

I believe that it's at the center of so much more.

Just like to reference Simon Dovey's work again, right at

the very beginning, he has this quote from Hunter S. Thompson,

which I'll read real quick. There is always a rash

of kidnappings and abductions of school children in the football months.

Preteens of both sexes are traditionally seized and grabbed off

the streets by gangs of organized perverts who traditionally give

them as Christmas gifts to each other to be personal

sex slaves and playthings. Most of them are obviously wrong

and evil and ugly, but at least they are traditional

from Hunter S. Thompson. And to me, let me know

what you think. It seems as though that this this

sort of subculture seems to be at the center of

a lot more crime in this country than people would

ever give it credit for. Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2: I mean, I think that it's because they own the

media and they've spiked stories in the past. I can't

remember what the girl's name was on National TV, but

she's like, I had that Epstein story and then they

told me to spike it. So the cover up on

the whole Epstein network has been there for three decades

at least, and they're doing just horrible stuff. So imagine

the other stuff they want to cover up. So I

think that it's something in the culture has changed within

my lifetime where the Christianity has been taken out of

the public square or just even basic human uh like decency,

like at a basic level is gone, Like people take

it for granted now now it's just a big scam

culture and the people who are celebrated or dirt bags.

Speaker 1: It wasn't always like that, and so it's happened very recently.

Speaker 2: So I think that it's part of like the cultural

rock and decay, and it's really spiritual, like it's the

spiritual rod and spiritual de kay. Right, there's there's there's

a there's no reason why. It's not a surprise that

LaVey ascended a Kinos ascended as Christianity was taken out

of the public square in public places.

Speaker 1: And schools and things like that. Right, it's it's part of.

Speaker 2: A larger malaise, and it's done intentionally. Like I mean,

if Epstein is really primarily involved in power money, like

who I mean, there's hundreds of other Epstein's. Probably there's

probably not maybe not as bad as Epstein, but people

financing transgenderism and sexual dysphory, uh, gender dysphoria, like literally

financing rapists to come into your out your country. There

are people just doing evil stuff. So it's really taking

place with the rise of evil, and that that's why

this is all downplayed and mocked and ignored and omitted,

and right.

Speaker 1: It hasn't stopped. What if any connections to Hosanna are

there regarding Crowley? Did you notice any? No?

Speaker 2: But like I said earlier, like why didn't they ask quite?

They never the cops never really investigated and asked questions

about what specific kind of like occultism they're involved in.

But it is interesting there is you actually mentioned Crawley

in True Detective when they're talking to the lawnmower guy, like,

oh yeah, over Crawley, And I don't think that's by mistake.

Speaker 1: Right, what what do you think the one at least

maybe maybe not the biggest. But one of the most

common misconceptions about Crowley is that.

Speaker 2: He's a dabbler. They always just call him a dabbler.

It's such a joke. They don't even know it's supposed to.

It's repeated all the time. Oh, Alistair Crowley a dabbler

in the occult. The guy wrote book after book after book.

He wrote like some of the most important referenced books

in occultism. Guys right maguck in theory and practice, Like

you don't put that together. He's really a scholar. The

guy could have been a great scholar at a university,

at a top university Oxford, Cambridge, somewhere in the States.

But he was really just a scholar and aggregator of

the occult globally. He really stands. That's why he's so

important and sets him aside from you know, middling intellects

like Levey or some of these other people. It's because

he was freaking brilliant. The guy's output is extraordinary, Like

he write nonfiction fiction, mysteries, poetry. He was really a

literature that's what I call him. So this whole thing,

like it's just another It's really an epidemic of superficiality.

These people don't even pick anything up and do any

research because if they did any actual research on Curly,

they go, Wow, this guy knew a lot. He knew

a lot of people, and he's constantly writing like he

did you want to talk about triumph of egoism, like

treated women like crap, never had relationship with his kids

or anything like that. But he was not a dabbler,

and he was continually like at the end of his life,

he's writing magical without tears, Like he's literally compiling stuff

about the efficacy and application of magical principles to your life,

all the way at the end when he died at

seventy two, he's still talking about it in the late

sixties and seventies. So he really lived up to his

magical name, which is Paradomo or perdomo, which is I

will endure to the end of streets.

Speaker 1: Right. It kind of seems like almost everything goes back

to him, like it goes through him. He's like, uh,

every cult just goes back to Chro and then they

either change it or turn it or flip it around.

Just like echoes.

Speaker 2: It's all Craley Curly col right, So he's probably the

most important cultest of the age, like the the.

Speaker 1: You know, post.

Speaker 2: Renaissance or something like that. There's just nobody who compares

to them in the Western world. Uh, there are there

are other people who started their own you know, sex culture,

sex or sex or whatever. Like a keyo of a

myat some of these chaos magicians, people who started the

uh the Illuminati a than of Taro's had a lot

of very notable figures in it. But yeah, cru Cruly

kind of stands alone.

Speaker 1: I got to run. Yeah, yeah, not to wrap up here.

So let's let people know where they can find you, William,

And I definitely want to get you back. There's there's

more I want to dig into this, and True Detective

itself definitely kind of wanted to do a precursor thing,

but there's some specific stuff I want to get into

it a later date. So let's get you back at

some point, but let people know where they can find you. Yeah.

Speaker 2: So William Ramsey Investigates is my podcast. It's in the

top point five for some podcasts in the world. And

I've written five books. You can read books on Cruelly

and UH West Memphis three. You can just buy them

on Amazon or my website William Ramsey Investigates and have

an active Patreon. I talk to people there all the time,

all day. It's the best way to contact me is

through my Patreon or email, which is William Ramsey Investigative

pro dommail dot com. Send me an email thanks for

having It's glad.

Speaker 1: To be with you. Yeah, of course, thank you so

much for coming back, and feel free to take off

if you need to get out of here and I'll

wrap up with my ans. So thank you, sir,