Exhibit 500: The Psych Records of Damien Echols with Roberta Glass of the True Crime Report.

Exhibit 500: The Psych Records of Damien Echols with Roberta Glass of the True Crime Report.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we are live. It is my great pleasure to

be with William Ramsey of William Ramsey Investigates, YouTube and podcast.

He's also written a fantastic book on the West Memphis

three called The Bombination. I highly encourage you to read it.

Welcome William Ramsey, ROBERTA.

Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Glad to be with you again.

Speaker 1: Oh you're and you're also a lawyer. I forgot that.

Speaker 2: I'm still a member of the state bar. They would

could be out of passed the bar in ninety eight,

so it's been a while. I can't believe it's almost

thirty years. Twenty eight years.

Speaker 1: That's a handy thing to have, for sure. So I

thought i'd start up the subject for today is he Hey,

Smellie Kat, Hello, Tabby Tara, whoever else I missed? So

I have my reader's copy that I got when I

was working in Oprah. So this's like this is like

when the book was like new And this is Damian

eccles book Life After Death. This was published by published,

This was at random House. It was like a big,

big conglomerate. Do you remember, by any chance it was

published by Pengden Penguin.

Speaker 2: I do have a copy, so.

Speaker 1: You have a coffee too, So he says in this

so this is exhibit we're talking about exhibit five hundred today,

which was an exhibit put together for the sentencing phase.

So after Eckles was convicted alongside Jason Baldwin, so they

had their trial together and Jesse miss Kelly had his

trial alone. So they were convicted by two separate juries,

Jason Baldwin and Echles together and Jesse miss Kelly alone. So,

after Baldwin and Eckles were convicted, his lawyers put together

all his very troubling mental health history, five hundred pages

of it, and presented it to the court. Okay, so

but this is as is Damien Eckles is wont to do.

It is his version in the book is a place fast,

a little fast, and loose with the truth. So this

is on at least of the reader. Copy to page

two fifty three. He says, one loss came from Jason's

attorney right away. The cornerstone of his defense strategy from

the outset was to make me look guilty. His plan

was to dump the weight of the entire case on

me and say that Jason had been sucked into the

situation only because of his proximity to me. To accomplish

this goal, the attorney lied to Laurie and me. He

asked us to talk to a mitigator who he believed

could be helpful. Was Laurie even involved back then? Did

he even meet Laurie? This would be like nineteen ninety four.

I don't think he'd met her yet. But okay, the

attorney lied to Laurie and me. He asked us to

talk to a mitigator who he believed could be helpful

in capital murder cases. Amybe a gator comes in after

conviction and works to lessens the sentence, ideally to eliminate

a death sentence. We agreed. So yeah, they make this

So this comes like way late in the book. So

this he's adding this in to make it seem like

Exhibit five hundred was part of their advocacy that just

somehow went terribly wrong, instead of really part of the

sentencing phase of the trial. We agreed. I spent a

day talking to a woman who wove together a mental

health report that came to be known as Exhibit five hundred.

In it, she claimed I was schizophrenic, bipolar, and ending

it all all okay, and my word's not his, and

suffered from extreme hallucinations, and anything else you could think of.

To this day, that report is still cited as the

most damning piece of evidence against me. The woman who

wrote it couldn't even testify in court because she already

sent them past that she had lied on the witness

stand in another case. To circumvent that little problem, she

simply had another person file her report on me. That

person's name is on that report. To this day, events

like this honed Glory's skills, sharpened her claws, and turned

her into the warrior she became. Without her strength and drive,

I would have been dead long ago.

Speaker 2: Your thoughts, it's interesting he doesn't mention her name or

who's involved in that, and also that it was the

defense that put together Exhibit five hundred. It wasn't it

wasn't the prosecution, So it's pretty telling. This is the affidavit.

I think the person he's talking about is Glory Shuttles Glory.

She goes by Glory, but she had an affidavit in

twenty twenty. But she signed a lot of the documents

he signed. The documents for his defense with her have

a signed document that he signed that like, okay, you

can go and get all my information. There was a

company called Inquisitor Inc. I think it was headed by

Ron Lax. It was played by Colin Firth and The

Really Terrible Devil's Not that came out in twenty thirteen,

right around the time of this book. Actually, but that

they echos literally said it's okay to uh go ahead

and get this information. All of his authority they get.

He gave so much authority to these people. If you

type on William and click on that and bring that

up the audience.

Speaker 1: I just the Affidavid, I just.

Speaker 2: No the other one, the other box.

Speaker 1: The other one. Okay, hold on, let me you just

said hot minute.

Speaker 2: Okay, it's the other one, says William. Okay, So this

is it. So there's echoes and there's Glory shettles. It's

a June six teens. It's after the arrests, before the trial,

so they're starting to crowd gather information. But authority Graham

granted for educational employment, history, credit, financial medical reports, et cetera,

et cetera, et cetera, to copy and everything. So he's

signed on. He's eighteen, so he's able to cover himself

and so that's the that's the provenance of this incredible

five hundred page report, which you can read. I think

is still in callahan Ek, so you can read it yourself.

I cover a lot of it in my book Abomination,

chapter four, but it provides so much insight into him

because it's from three in the the intro actually to

the report itself has an overview of the report where

it's saying, Okay, he's in the hospital in Arkansas, then

in Oregon, then back in Arkansas, and it has times

and dates of everything. So it's kind of interesting that

it's it's minimized odds should be interesting, but it is minimized.

In that book Live after Death, there's no question about

it for sure.

Speaker 1: And and you know, you can see the lawyer's notes

on it, going this is this is not good. This

is what he said to is his uh mental health

professionals is not good. Uh damning damn the sucking blood

and all the stuff. Also all the stuff about Satanism.

So let's get into some of it. So Damien arrested

for breaking into a trailer with his fifteen year old girlfriend,

Dianna Holcombe. They had an ending it all packed if

they couldn't be together. Damien threatened to kill police officers

and Deanna's father when picked up, convicted of second degree

burglary and s misconduct. So I mean, you know, how

did you know? I keep I keep getting comments William

about how I'm so wrong and that if an ex

FBI profiler, and I think they mean John Douglas, I

think they do believes that the West Memphis three are

innocent because of his egg is very insightful profiling. Then

I have no means like it's sort of an appeal

to authority. I have no I have no leg to

stand on. If John Douglas has a difference in an

opinion than than I do, well what they should.

Speaker 2: Say The response should be, how much did John Douglas

get paid to work with the defense? Because he did?

He didn't, he didn't, he didn't work for him for free.

Speaker 1: Well, he gets the first, the most important thing, which

is that they mean what he really like hangs his

whole theory on the fact that they've never gotten in

trouble with the law before, and they all, all three

of them, had gotten in trouble with the law before,

and his work on that.

Speaker 2: Book is it's total fraud. I've totally taken it apart.

It's a complete joke. Like That's the other thing is

like if somebody says, well, John Douglas hays, it's appealed

to expert authority. But he also worked on the John

Beneathing with the family. He also worked with the Ramsey

family too fy, So oh yeah, there's some real problems

in that case as well, right, I mean, and also

am by taking a part of Douglas online. You could

just say John Douglas in the West Memphis three. The

article is available if you want to read and understand,

you can just do that or the listeners can.

Speaker 1: Very few crimes are actually solved with profiling, very few,

very few. They can be sometimes a little bit helpful,

but it's you know, very very very very few of

all the all the true crime cases. I think it's

I think people like it because it's almost like fortune telling,

you know. I think it's a guy who's singles like this,

and it maybe gives us another way to think about

some of these crimes. But as far as as accuracy

an actual real usefulness, I don't know, can be kind

of controversial too.

Speaker 2: So it's I think I actually put it as like

a later appendix on my book too. Is that that

whole thing that I wrote. It's a FBI profile with

John Douglas in the West, the release of the West

Memphis three. I'll put it in the in the show

notes so people can take a look at it. But

I mean he literally said I saw no nothing in

the records indicated that they were violent, and he ignored

the six Confessions of of Miss Kelly. He wrote because

he wrote this in a book. This is so important.

Damien and Jason had no indicative violence in their past.

Speaker 1: Right, I'm sorry I thought it was I thought it

was a record. I'm sorry I'm mischaracterizing as a record.

I thought he said they never got in trouble with

the law.

Speaker 2: That is a verbatim quote. That's beat him. That's what

Douglas wrote. And it's really easy because people defer to authority.

They think the FPI is up and up, which if

you know anything going on, it's really not. But like

it's okay. But like Douglas is us. He's super siss

and so was Lanning. He like quotes Kin Lanning too,

who's also very suss.

Speaker 1: But these are the he's the satanic Denier, which is

he did the most interesting essay about the landing report.

I love that that that episode William There's yeah, I

mean that was fascinating.

Speaker 2: There's all I mean, these guys can be taken apart

very easily. And his statement this like puts his like

the so called expert he said, he's so he denies

Shane Devil this who Echos said, Echoes tried to scratch

his eyes out. Laura Maxwell said Echoes starting to kill

her brother and her parents. Charter Hospital said he has

a history of extreme physical aggression. That's what others his

own mother. She was most concerned about son not learning

to deal with great angerages. It's all through Exhibit five hundred,

he admitted. Echoes admitted to hospital workers that he had

a history of violence. West Memphis police charged him with

terroristic threatening. Jennifer Liddon Ball said he went to her

told police he went to her house and treatened to

kill her. And Drew Mortenoy bartwos you saw Echos stomp

a He's sick dog to death.

Speaker 1: And he's and he's related to Baldwin, right, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2: Thought was right. Yeah, I think so. I mean, so it's.

Speaker 1: Kind of odd that when people say, oh, that's someone

who didn't like echoes, it's Baldwin's relative. I believe memory

that's a.

Speaker 2: Close that's a close thing. Even the Haullingsworth knew like

Dominie Tears since she was a baby. So West Memphis

is not that big. It's really not as far as

everything you know it's population is concerned. So these people

saw each other often and things like that. Eccles was

a known entity, at least in my opinion.

Speaker 1: So here's from June. On the back of that Charter

Hill hospital or Damien stated that he got a hold

of a police officer's gun and that the Deanna's father

had acted aggressively, I would have blown him away, and

the next time I will eliminate that person. So he

had no trouble with committing murder. And he denies having

a conscience. This is like extremely important if you know

anything about psychopaths or sociopaths, whatever word you want to use,

I prefer the word psychopath denies having a conscience. That's

the essence the cliff notes for psychopaths, no conscience and

a real lack of feeling. He's often described in these

exhibit five hundred as having a flat affect, feeling nothing,

hates the whole human race, hates children, and also is

constantly I thought was really interesting around issues of the

witchcraft and Satanism. He'll say, well, I'm not a Satanist,

but I am into demonology. So it's that same kind

of cat and mouse with the language that he has

played all through the West Memphis threes p R propaganda offensive.

So if you've just been following this in like the

past decade decade and a half, it's pretty much out

there now that Damien admits that he's now into the occult,

he may not call himself a Satanist or I think

now he's just started to deny it again with Doctor

Drew while promoting his book on you know some kind

of as I think esoteroicism. Excuse me, but that if

you he's constantly doing this, he's like, I'm not into

I deny I didn't put blood all over my face,

but I did suck the blood from a bleeding fellow inmate.

But they were exaggerating when they said that I smeared

it all over my face and that I get intense

powers from witchcraft and having power and control over people

and needing a lot of attention and needing to put

fear in people is like a theme in this.

Speaker 2: It sure is. I mean, it's all theres Once you

read the documents, it's hard to kind of go back

because they're written by specialists. They're written in those kind

of nomenclature of people who work at hospitals, psychiatrists, psychologists.

And there's like progress reports, like he was doing progress

reports all the way up to the day of the

murders May fifth, nineteen ninety three. There's the last progress

report which isn't recorded very well and Exhibit five hundred,

but it's there. It's incredible. So the same day he

was with his mom the morning I think of the

when the murders took place, he could do with his

mom in there, and.

Speaker 1: So I thought. Also what was interesting was a note

from Jerry Driver, who Damien Eccles disliked so much, and

oh is this your thanks, William, you're thinking on the

West Memphistry, Okay, hold on sick and I will.

Speaker 2: So.

Speaker 1: Jerry Driver was saying that he thought that he has

your theory on it, which is he thought that Damien

eckles mother was also a Satanist and that's that that

was the family religion essentially. That was his comment that

he thought that the family was into Satanism. I thought

that was pretty I don't I didn't remember reading that.

You know, we're paying attention to that before.

Speaker 2: The police had a list of people they thought were

in the kind of a group or something going on

there in West Memphis, and the statement of Alvis clem

BLI like he's like, oh, yeah, there's a group. There's

a guy named Lucifer they talk to that nobody ever identified.

The same year that the murders took place, in nineteen

ninety three, the mother was at a bonfire where somebody died.

I remember that. Yeah, so that's in that's like noted

in the news. Like, so there's all kinds of other

suss things going on. I think she lived with the

person who died, lived with the mom and the stepdad

or something.

Speaker 1: But your comment was always that it's just awfully odd

that she's supporting this interest and taking him to these

occult bookstores, and yeah, pushing.

Speaker 2: The people in the comments, keep saying I think they're guilty.

They're a big object. You're not thinking about it the

right way. They're objectively guilty at law. You don't have

an opinion. It's not an opinion. They are stamped with

a guilty plead, not once, but twice, so they're guilty.

Did you if you'd think they didn't do it, then

you should say you didn't do it like you're you're obvious,

getting like you know, missing, messing up simple language like

they're right there.

Speaker 1: They're literally child killers.

Speaker 2: Right, You haven't overturned anything, nothing. They were not exonerated.

You think they were exonerated, you've been propaganda'ed, you've been vamboozled.

It were never exonerated.

Speaker 1: To be fair to my audience. At any time that

anyone's let out, the media and the Wrongful Conviction movement

will call them exonerated. If they can get their foot

by hook or by crook out of prison, get themselves

out of prison, they are. That's what it means to

be exonerated. And what's even worse are these like exoneration.

Have you ever heard of these? Like these certificates they

give them out of two people who are you know

that they consider factually innocent? Those aren't worth the piece

of paper that they're written on either, So you know

forgive me for for uh, you know, yeah.

Speaker 2: But you get the same statements over and over, like

I think they're not guilty. I think they're guilty.

Speaker 1: They are guilty.

Speaker 2: I have the documents they signed that they are guilty

of first degree murder and the state had enough evidence

to convict them. Again.

Speaker 1: But William, do you think it could be like a

thing like you could identify as innocent even if you

are twice convicted killer who played who pled guilty?

Speaker 2: Yeah?

Speaker 1: Is it sort of like you know, your pronouns like

his pronouns. He goes by innocent.

Speaker 2: Convicted for a friend I didn't commit. I haven't found

anybody else who's done it. I've alleged things, but I've

never actually had somebody go into court or the police

arrest and say it. I mean the DA at the time,

I mean, I think we played that our last show

about the West Momphis three literally said I don't think

it's anybody else come into this crime. And in the

Three People a Year.

Speaker 1: Right, you got to see the end of the actual

pr conference they did after they took the Alfred Baldwin

decides to leave and they just all pack up and

go before any any any stronger questions can be asked,

like just abruptly ends really quickly. The whole pr thing.

They're like, oh, Baldwin has to go, and you think

they're going to stick around, and then just all of

a sudden, this huge herd of lawyers and these three

convicted child killers just exits out of there so quickly.

It's is there anything in here that you want me

to particularly highlight?

Speaker 2: Well, I mean you can just go through. They denied

any occult involvement. I've gone through so many occult related crimes,

Ricky Casso, Elast Pauler, murder, Eased De Satan, Vampire Clan,

Hardy Boys, adolfha Coustans, I mean it goes on and on,

so like there's no occult motivation when it's all over,

you know, this crime. But also one of the very

important elements of in one of the confusing aspects that's

really kind of bamboozled the public. They can't get their

head around it, is that how can these people get

their minds change? Some people who's the parents are associated

with the victims change for their opinion. And John Douglas

takes credit for it himself. I'm not writing this. This

is in his book. It's in his book that he

wrote with Old Shaker. He literally said he traveled to

west of Memphis in two thousand and seven to interview

family members, and he said that after he imparted his

clear he literally wrote, by the time I left, Pam

no longer believed the West Memphis Three were guilty of

the murder of her son, and the same with Buyers.

That's why you can see a picture. It is the

most bizarre thing to see a picture of John Mark Byers,

who was in at least two of the documentaries, who

was accused of the crime by both Eckles and Baldwin,

with Eckles hugging Ecles. It will blow your mind. People

cannot wrap their head around that. But it's the involvement

of Douglas one.

Speaker 1: Opinion, right. And also, I mean, this is something the

wrongful Conviction movement loves to do. They love to go

to eyewitnesses. They know the strength in getting a victim's

family member behind and they will guilt the living crap

out of you. And it probably was at that time

not really comfortable for John Mark Buyers to be harassed

all the time by the West Memphis Three supporters so

what a way to get them off your back. And

also there have been rumors, you know, obviously he's deceased now,

but there were a lot of rumors that his financial

situation increased. And I know Terry Hobbs has said that

Pam Hobbs was offered a lot but never given anything

that she was offered, which is about typical for innocence fraudsters.

They offer a lot, book deals, money, movie deals, all

sorts of things, rarely actually do what they said they

were going to do.

Speaker 2: So one of the there was the money that suffused

the West Memphis three, and the totality of the case

corrupted the whole thing, in my opinion. And so there

was all kinds of money and fame and celebrity, and

some of those people would not do interviews unless you

paid them. So it became kind of like a celebritized

like cultural degredation thing, like wow, like you really need

to you really need to get paid to give your

side of the story. And it was weird because I

talked to some of these people about being on shows

and I was like, oh, wow, so you do need

money or you want to get paid substand like five

thousand bucks yet Wow.

Speaker 1: Wow, So Todd Wood is speaking of money, giving you

some money, will you? I think that's fair, Chel Todd welcome,

thank you. Okay, thanks for supporting William's channel. Okay, what

else do I have? I have lots of fun stuff here. Okay,

Charter Hospital, Little Rock. He fantasizes about this Is June

nineteen ninety two, about being all powerful so as to

block others from possessing the means to be belittling and harmful.

He believes that only alert vigilance and vigorous counter action

can prevent the malice of others. The desire to gain

power and demean others springs from animosity and a wish

to vindicate past grievances. Although frequently unsuccessful in these aims,

this teenager believes that past degregations may be undone by

provoking fear and intimidation in others. So, I mean, you know,

people will say, I mean there will be if you're

West Memphis three supporter, no amount of evidence will ever

be enough. There will always be some sort of unreasonable doubt.

Maybe the police fed jessemus Kelly all these post conviction

miss confessions. I don't know what the point of that

would be with his lawyer begging him not to confess

and his hand on the Bible. But okay, you know

what West Memphis three supporters will say is that that's

not none of this is evidence that he killed three kids, correct,

But it's evidence that he definitely would fit a profile

of someone you would be quick to violence and might

hurt three kids.

Speaker 2: No, right, well, I think that that's the thing. It's

like John Douglass, there's no indicative violence when there's just

a whole host of things, especially Exhibit five hundred, in

addition to other statements and things.

Speaker 1: Right, he's starting fires, he's trying to gouge out, he

put making his fingernails into points and trying to gouge

out a classmate. You mentioned abuse to animals. I mean,

these are all the red flags for violent psychopaths.

Speaker 2: It's all there in the focus, Like the lead up

to the events is like all there, it's all written about.

It's really something else. And some of these people are like,

we didn't even know he was on disability when they

tried him. I don't think his attorneys, his defense attorneys

knew that he was on disability. And there's a disability

determination in the exhibit five hundred, so like what are

you on disability? Like what do you need to be

on disability from? And I think his mom was on

permanent disability, like I don't think she ever worked.

Speaker 1: But what were his complaints where he said he was

homicidal and he was a sociopath. Those are its own handwriting,

own words. What more do you want?

Speaker 2: He literally applied for disability in February nineteen ninety three,

and he claimed that his mental illness left him unable

to work. I know this is supplemental interview in there

where he writes, I am a sociopath. Describe your pain.

Eckles wrote mentally disturbed. Describe any changes in these things

since your condition began? I am a sociopath. Like he

literally writes this, I didn't write that. The Social Security

Administration determined that Echoes was one hundred percent disabled due

to mental impairments. He was provided the million something adolescent

in personality inventory. The results were blunt fearing that others

will dominate and possibly brutalize, and he puts part a

socially blunt and aggressive public posture. He fantasizes being all

powerful as so as to block others from possessing the

means to be belittling and armful, often loses tempers, gets

into fights, an accident, daring fashion.

Speaker 1: All right, presenting problems. This is nineteen ninety two homicidal

and psychosis checked off. Okay, this is not like a

little bout of depression. This isn't a a a blue kid,

you know. This is a very seriously disturbed, violent, scary

a kid whose own parents are afraid that he's going

to hurt some of the children in the home and themselves.

He's going to kill us, or he's going to kill

the kids in the home. And here we go. We'll

move on to the next one Charter Hospital of Little Rock.

He discussed issues of power and control. He states that

he could make things happen. He believes very much in magic.

Is that spelled correctly? Well, you're ready, I.

Speaker 2: Don't think so. I don't think the doctors knew what

kind of magic Echos was talking about, Like the way

he spelled it in his book High Magic with the

Kid is more.

Speaker 1: What's the difference between magic with a C and magic

with a K?

Speaker 2: Magic with the C is kind of like the cat

and hat magic. But you see, like David Copperfield. And

then this magic is kind of like the more occult

like ceremonial magic, where you are creating, doing rituals and

doing things in creation like and conformance with your will,

kind of like Cruelly would say. So, I think that

that's I mean, he's he's an acknowledged member of the OTO.

He's self described as a felawmite to TEAL members. He

actually had his own library for people who don't know

in the OTO chapter in Arkansas.

Speaker 1: That's right, yeah, I mean all those books, tons of.

Speaker 2: Books, tons of books founded his neglected storage locker. He's

constantly talking about books, reading books, going to the library

by his own admission. Yeah.

Speaker 1: Over, I think that's it. Just all.

Speaker 2: You can bring up the exhibit five.

Speaker 1: Okay, yes, wait. He's had three psychiatric hospitalizations, each has

been associated with anger, thoughts of killing others, and thoughts

of ending it all. Himself denies that this has influenced him,

staining I just put it all Insides describes this as

more than just anger like rage. Sometimes he does blow up.

Relates this happens, the only solution is to hurt someone.

I mean I pointed that out to a West Memphis

three supporter, and they were like, well, that doesn't mean

he killed anyone. I mean, it's so frustrating, the gas

lighting that you go through, you know, with these things.

Speaker 2: I've argued with every West Memphis three supporter. I've done

it all, Like it'ssch Some of these people just you

just never going to reach there. And they also go

as far as to think you're obstructing justice for pointing

out facts that were determined in a court of law

that have not been overturned.

Speaker 1: So I think is so hard though about the West

Memphis three, is that I don't think that there is

another case that so uniformally. Maybe Amanda Knox is close,

but with the American press just supported the West Memphis three,

our mainstream press so uniformally. I mean they were on

the view, they were on whatever.

Speaker 2: Here's Morgan simple just a lot of his supporters are around.

Speaker 1: This Rolling Stone, multiple times of New York Times, right,

New York Times, Big love letter review of his book,

Big love letter stories to him, never anything factual. The

New Yorker, which is a big innocence fraud rag same thing.

They were released because of new DNA evidence. But did

you see wait, hold on I think I had this up.

Let me just let me just I just sent this

to myself, so I just wanted to pull it. Yeah,

let me just pull it up one second. But did

you see that after so last time we were discussing

Doctor Drew William and now right after he was on

Doctor Drew. This is from West Memphis three facts on Facebook.

Also great website. It's linked in this episode's description. We

haven't seen Okay, so Damien's oh wait, no, no, no,

this is the wrong thing. But basically he says sorry.

He says that, yeah, no, I saved it. But it's

like on Wes, hold on, let me go get it.

I tried to find it on the it's on Facebook.

It's on the Let me see if they'll let me

log in without like a whole breaking now with this

like whole double checking who you are, it just takes

forever to even just get in. But hopefully they won't

give me a hard time and give me like codes

and craziness that oh yeah, there are going to give

me codes. But if you go to West Memphis three facts. Basically,

Damian eccles is saying that he's not going to do

any more interviews. Anymore. He's taking a break because he's

has too much trauma after doctor Drew and I was like,

are you kidding me? Like Doctor Drew gave him the

biggest softball interview in the world. But why do you think? No,

you just supported the I mean, Dechoes was free to

lie to him, you know, at will. So I don't know,

I mean, why what.

Speaker 3: Would Okay, hold on one second, let me just get

this okay, okay, okay, I don't know.

Speaker 1: Do they want me to put this in here? I

don't know. I don't know what they're telling me to do.

Speaker 2: Can you bring up that five hundred that's on there

in the box underneath them?

Speaker 1: Sure? For sure? Yeah, I want to.

Speaker 2: Go through that while you're doing Guys, this is like

the intro is really incredible because it just outlines everything,

the chronology of treatment. So you see it going almost

all for a full year before the crimes. So you

see a referral based on this Jerry Driver refers for

terroristic threatening sexual misconduct. He's just charged, he goes to

Charter discharge it. Then Saint Vincent's about three months later

in Oregon. Then he's just charged. Then he's referred back

to charter like about like literally within a week, suck

blood and inmate. Then he's getting these scheduled sessions and

they're all recorded about what he's doing. They're asking him questions,

and then they're like, this is privileged and confidential work

products based upon the East Arkansas Regional Mental Health Center.

You can see it right up there on top and

the dates. I mean, it's really though, we are true.

Damien's counseling feels he's smarter than everybody else reports self mutilation.

He will trance out. So there are things here where

he's talking about dissociation, amnesia and trances which if you

kind of do the mind control MK ultra reading, these

are really strange things where he's undergone probably so much

trauma that it has changed his brain into associative states.

And there's reflections reflections in these intake documents, and the

doctor's documents were like there's no effect. He's just sitting there.

He's harassed by local authorities in February ninety three. They

think I'm a Satanic leader. He has Satanic items, but

denies cult involvement. He has been interested in witchcraft for

eight years. Guys. That means since he was ten. Okay,

this isn't me, this is them, this is somebody. This

is in these documents, and you can see the Baits number,

like that's how it got its name. Exhibit five hundred

is this is document seven. This is on the very

bottom zero zero zero zero zero seven. They're admitting. This

is his defense, saying there's very damaging stuff, very damaging notes,

very damaging speeds of speaks, of rituals, drinking blood, more

involved in demonology, cannot remember early tantrums. So he's been

practicing witchcraft for eight years, but he's has some kind of.

Speaker 1: Yah, right, And there's also these frequent references to this,

like purring like noise that he makes in the mental

hospital with his mouth, and they're like, he just keeps

making this weird purring noise and but yeah, you know,

he hasn't changed much. So here he was. So it's

my this is before he went on Doctor Drew. He says, hey, y'all,

I've had quite a few people reach out to me,

let me say about doing their podcast interviews, et cetera.

And I want to say I very much appreciate the love,

support interest, but I'm going to step away from this

sort of thing for a while, and then he was

on Doctor drews. This is before doctor drew It's beginning

to have a negative impact on my mental and emotional health.

Confucius said that those he's so wise, isn't he such

a wise child killer? Confucius said, those who dwell or

live in the past are going to be depressed, and

those who always live in the future are going to

suffer anxiety. That only those in the present moment can

find peace and contentment. Well, the present moment, you're a

convicted a triple child murderer. I know this is true

from my own first hand experience. Right now, I just

need to get back to my practice in order to

maintain myself. Speaking of practice entries, I'm focusing my energy

on several upcoming ways of you know, I'm sure he's

doing something with his Satanism and trying to spread Satanism,

so that I thought that was like bizarre, you know,

always the victim, it's killing him to actually talk about, right,

so painful of reatization of this. Meanwhile, when he was

on trial, he was sticking out the middle finger and

arrested sticking out the middle finger at the victim's parents

and basically laughing through the whole thing, and when he

was on death, you know, on on you know, facing

the death penalty. So even his own lawyers are like,

this is awfully weird. You know, there's.

Speaker 2: Speaking of of him from like from the first documentary

Paradise Loss, where he's like, I don't know, he's like

laughing and like it's like not appropriate for the circumstances.

It's creaty, it's amazing.

Speaker 1: Can I can I bring in one of your amazing videos.

Hold one second and we'll get back to this. But

here's just more of his lying. I mean, he lies

so much I can't even keep track of it. It's

like decades of just lying and lying and lying. This

is This is the cover of William Ramsay's book Abomination, Devil,

Worship and Deception in the West Memphis three murders.

Speaker 4: And then in August of twenty eleven, after spending nearly

two decades in Arkansas prisons, Damien Eccles and two other

men were suddenly released as part of a highly unusual

plea deal.

Speaker 5: Most people have nothing like that in their frame of reference.

So having to live every single moment of your life

on guard, even while you're sleeping. You never go into

a deep sleep. You always have to be ready for

the next person that's going to try to hurt you.

Speaker 2: He's in solitary con is four hours a day, right.

Speaker 1: And also when you read his mental health records, he

always had issues with sleep. Always always had trouble with

sleeping his whole life. He slept like this. It's not

like you just went to prison and had troubles and death.

Row is is is a walk in the park compared

to the general population, compared to what Jason did. You know,

you have your own TV. You right, you're in solitary,

You're protected, it's clean. It's like it's like having a

single you know what I mean in college, right.

Speaker 6: The person that's going to try to hurt you, So

he follows what when.

Speaker 4: I interviewed Ecls as part of a forty eight hours

report on the case, he was spending nearly twenty four

hours a day in solitary confinement.

Speaker 1: You know, all I can think of is just like,

look at him again, he's so pleased with himself, like

all this important stuff. I mean, have you been watching

the Tyler Robinson preliminary They're trying to present all they

have and Charlie Kirk's accused killer. I mean, the evidence

is overwhelming and the victim's family had to Charlie Kirk's

family had to beg the judge to let them show

the evidence in public. But he's in like an armored vehicle,

Like it looks like, you know, basically being treated as

this precious commodity being you know, driven to and from

prison and this like way armored vehicle here. Damien Eckles,

you know, has to get his cuffs off and he

has all this I mean, what a feeling of power

if you're into power and control. I mean, obviously he

doesn't have control when his cuffs go off, but all

this special stuff is being done because he's a dangerous,

scary person, important person, right, I.

Speaker 2: Mean from somebody who came from nothing, He's had a

lot of things happen like I mean, I think that

they're all like the park kids whose parents aren't around.

So maybe this is there, this is them how they

made their mark.

Speaker 1: He said, the people are going to remember me. I'm

gonna have an effect on the world, and you know,

unfortunately it's you know, come true. I mean, murder made

him famous and then and powerful and the power that

he has. I mean, no one in our mainstream media

is will is willing to talk about the case. The

Prosecutor's podcast who covered the Heyman Lee's murder after a

non said get got out and didn't really even matter anymore,

you know, And they didn't want to talk about the

fraud that got him out at all, but just did

a whole was three concluding that they're innocent and there

wasn't enough evidence to convince them.

Speaker 2: So did they address the first person statements, the direct

evidence that was was related in court about those softball

statement and also so they did They just said.

Speaker 1: They went over the actual evidence. They have all these documents,

you know, they took them from Callahan, I guess, or

got them themselves. They they're the ones who actually got

so I you know, I thanks to Rick from Burn

after reading he enlightened me that the Prosecutors podcast got

the twenty eleven DNA results from a Freedom of information

Act because they're both lawyers those you know, apply named

prosecutors podcasts of former prosecutors, I believe, and they got

the DNA results.

Speaker 2: What did they say?

Speaker 1: Nothing, big nothing burger. It's a big nothing burger. And

it's going to be another big nothing burger that they're

gonna Lord knows what they're going to do with this.

They're going to double down on a stepfather. It looks

like that's looks like the direction they're going, you know,

you know, to just double down on that because that's

all they have. But so many people believe it would

be true. But my point was like, can't you think

that this is a hard case because if the mainstream

media is so inaccurate about covering this, what else are

they lying about? Like it really does kind of I mean,

you know, this is the case that really opened up

my eyes to like starting to look at other cases

and making connections the way that you know they're they're

finessing the Richard Glossop case in Oklahoma. Oh that was

the case I looked at right around this time, West

Memphis three at Nonzai ed all. You know, Amanda Knox,

you know, it goes on and on and on and on.

I mean, I've covered like I don't know how many

innocence fraud cases on my channel. So it's like it's

not just this Central Park five, the rosenberg Sacho and Vinzetti,

Oh god, what else? I mean yeah, right, it goes

making a murderer. Yeah, you could go on and on

and on and on, like it never gets it never

gets tired. Americans love this story.

Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a cultural thing. It's something strange where

they don't trust the government, they don't trust the court system,

the process, and they're they're in for a better store.

They're interested in a really good story than the facts.

Like the cool dispassionate on for truth. Because if you're

like dispassion and want to know the truth, you can

read these documents. They're available. You just click on the

pro an ak link.

Speaker 1: It's not that hard, right, it's linked in the description

of this episode. If you guys want to read these yourself.

What shall we continue on?

Speaker 2: Yeah, we can. I mean there's just this is a

five hundred page document. Guys, you can just go through it.

I mean it's just it's an incredible document.

Speaker 1: It's like a two minute video. So I just want

to We're halfway through.

Speaker 4: That's part of a forty eight hours report on the case.

He was spending nearly twenty four hours a day in

solitary confinement.

Speaker 1: He had to defend himself at any moment, and then

he was he was dying. Guys, he was dying. That's

why we had to take the outfort play. Because he

was dying. The state was trying to kill him. That's

another thing. These anti death penalty activists will say the

state was trying to kill him first of all, like

that was his punishment. We do have the death penalty,

but certainly it wasn't the way that Stevie, Michael and

Christopher were killed. I mean, he's given a way heads

up on when when his last minute on earth is

and killed in the you know, and extinguished, gotten rid

of in the nicest way possible. Hardly a analogy to

the way that this crime was done, now, is I

just Lucia. I mean they always say that the state

is trying to kill us, like as if it's like

it's a it's a second murder. To say, no, it's not.

You know, it's hardly anything.

Speaker 2: It was. They went through a penalty phase. Guys, think

they were convicted, and then they went through the penalty

and they affirmed it, and then they went through an

appeal and affirmed that. You can read the appeal like

they affirmed everything from the lower court. I don't think

they changed the thing the Upper Court.

Speaker 1: I believe that's the Strand Bookstore downtown. And I believe

this is because he was living at Peter Jackson's at

the time, and how had this big place gave him

his huge apartment downtown? But that's the Strand Bookstore always

has Like I may be wrong, maybe another bookstore, but

it looks just looks like they're red writing and the

way that they do things, it kind of looks like

that street.

Speaker 4: But followed when he left Arkansas for a new life

in New York City.

Speaker 7: It's just like this.

Speaker 5: Free floating anxiety to defend myself.

Speaker 1: That's the Strand book Stir For sure.

Speaker 5: I've been injected into this whole new world and I'm

having to learn everything.

Speaker 4: I've been Didn't it feel a little like a deal

with the devil?

Speaker 1: It was a deal with the devil, but it was

also a She's like the go to reporter for innocence fraud.

Speaker 2: Aaron worst journalists in America.

Speaker 1: Yeah, Lonnie Surrey. She also helped Ryan ferguson another case

I've covered on this, another killer who got his conviction overturned.

Speaker 7: Deal.

Speaker 5: I really didn't have any choice but to take if

I wanted to live my health was going fast. I

was dying in there. I knew if I didn't take

that deal, I was never going to live to see

outside those walls.

Speaker 1: I also never forget that the West Memphist three had

a PR agent, full time PR agent of Lonnie Surrey,

who I remember him calling out Aaron Mariority that journalists

we just mentioned on Twitter and thanking her for all

her good work. So she so when they when they

went an innocence fraud, a narrative sewn together, She's there like,

go to you'll be so yeah, that's just like a

little a little uh bit.

Speaker 2: He seems to be in good shape. Now he's got

all his original teeth. It looks like so his teeth

were about to fall out. But I guess they magic

through the abuse of magic and ri key and whatever

they reattached or something, or maybe he got implants. I

don't know.

Speaker 1: I remember what he was saying. That also that he

had to learn how to eat with a fork. He

didn't know how to eat with a utensils anymore. He

was like he had to learn the English language all

over again, apparently, and that he was losing his sight.

He was going blind because he didn't have any time focus. Yeah,

he had to wear his Jewish gaggos all the time

because he was losing his sight and he was literally

dying and they had to take the deal right away

because he was really gonna die there from bad eyesight

and teeth.

Speaker 2: And he has a whole suite of excuse me stuff

like it's it's incredible.

Speaker 1: So it also got very mad that we're laughing. But

you have to laugh. You have to laugh at this

ridiculous innocence fraud propaganda because if you don't laugh, you

will cry or go crazy if you if you've covered

as much of it as I am, I will say, I.

Speaker 2: Feel like we're just like beating and flogging on worse.

Speaker 1: People are still interested though, I mean, people are still

telling me I'm a horrible person that I will be

so sorry when the DNA results come out, and I'm like,

you know what, I'm sleeping fine, not worried about these

DNA results. And you know, I think people are forgetting

that I was a supporter. I got fooled by this

big time guys, big time by all these documentaries. It

wasn't until I heard at Opperman's podcast that I'd ever

heard that they were guilty. I never even heard. I

never knew anyone had that opinion in the entire world.

Speaker 2: So that'll they're guilty. Tell you they're guilty at law, guys,

there's no question about it.

Speaker 1: What do we miss? Does anyone hate burn? After reading?

You want to did we miss anything?

Speaker 2: Well, there's five hundred pages I got.

Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to go through all. Yeah,

I'm not busy. I'm not busy. I just anyone have

anything where does I hear?

Speaker 2: Let's go through it and you're just like, this is

like we're on page nine, guys. This is it Jerry

driver discharge. Here's Glory Shuttles again. Her whole affidavit, I

think is it's a huge tell.

Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit more about her affidavit?

I thought it was she.

Speaker 2: Followed up like in two thousand. She actually was the

you mentioned it at the intro, and she was the

one who was spending a lot of time with Eckles

and you can bring that up. It's just Glory Shields

right there.

Speaker 1: Let's say, yeah, I can read.

Speaker 2: It too, but it's like she's spending time. And then

about about seven years later, she sent something to the

court during the whole appeals process. And it's an affidavit.

She's saying, I served as an investigator of Damian Eckles.

My responsibilities included meeting with him on a weekly banked

basis and attending some of the pre trial dry proceedings.

Through my inexperience prevented me from recognizing many the symptoms

of mental illness. I now understand the implications and relevance

of the behaviors observed, and she's observed stuff number four.

Mister Eccles had dramatic, dramatic mood swings from deep sobbing

to laughing hysterically. This is like the joker stuff to

laughing hysterically and giggling without any cause for the change.

The switch from despair to mania was immediate and complete.

It could occur several times during one meeting. Mister Eckle's

cry during almost every meeting, once collapsing onto my shoulders

in utter despair. That was beyond the legal situation. His

depression had been with him a long time and it

affected everything he thought and did. He was so deeply

sad that he felt hopeless and lost when he came

to his case.

Speaker 1: Really isn't that odd because he hes always putting down

his lawyers in this book too.

Speaker 2: But I mean he discussed suicide repeatedly and believed that

he could overcome death because he was different from other people.

He believed he was an alien and discussed it with

his mother from the time when he was a small

child of only three or four. He thinks he's an alien.

He was a concrete belief that he was from another world,

another planet.

Speaker 1: Whenever evidence was introduced that could have helped this is

on page two hundred, helped me. The jury was escorted

out of the room so they wouldn't hear it. Isn't

that unfortunate for him? And it was discovered that John

Mark buyer, so they're still pushing John Mark Byers and

the stepfather one of the children had a knife with

a blood on it that matched the blood of at

least one of the victims. No, no, my lawyers were

not permitted to ask him directly, did you murder those

children in the presence of the jury?

Speaker 7: Why?

Speaker 1: Because they were told he wasn't the one on trial

here I was. It wasn't really a trial, more like

a formality to get out of the way before the

guilty verdict. I mean, lol, guys, you're dealing.

Speaker 2: With somebody who's not well. He wasn't well for a while.

I don't know if he's improved or anything, but back.

Speaker 1: Then, but dangerously unwell, dangerous, dangerous, violent, dangerous. There's like unwell,

you know, where he feels sorry, like a sad sack.

That's sort of what he's trying to paint himself. Oh,

I had some depression. I was like a sad sack.

I was like a blue kid. This is like a

violent wants to kill, has no trouble killing once attention

for his dark urges is upset. I mean, goes from

one dark subject to the next, obsessed with power and control,

feels empty. I mean he's he's correctly, he's not out

of touch with himself. He correctly, you know, identifies himself

as a sociopath or psychopath or antisocial personality disorder, whatever

you want to call it.

Speaker 2: He did back then, that's for sure, there's absolutely no question.

Speaker 1: Well, I think he knows what he is now. I mean,

he knows what kind of person he is now. He

knows that there's something wrong with him. He knows he's empty,

he knows he doesn't have empathy, and he talks about

at one point, he talks about how that he believes

that people are and this is the whole uh inspiration

for my channel like uh channel logo. He says he

believes that people are wolves and cheap and that wolves

eat cheap, so that he identifies as a predator who

dines out on the dumb you know, dumb um what

would you call it, you know, dumb masses the herd

right that are all you know, that are all cattle.

I'm just looking conforming is the word. I was looking conformist,

and he's a non conformist. But so, you know, my

logo is a wolf in sheep's clothing, because that's really

what echoes, you know, That's where I got that you know,

fixation with that image. It's so many of these killers

have that same kind of thing. Uh they want to

be a wolf, not ah, if they want to be

the person in you know, gives them a mens feeling

of power and control to have right to have to

commit violence and to play god.

Speaker 2: But it's interesting the fixation on power control is because

he doesn't have any power or control. I think that's

really it. Like he didn't grow up with money, access

to education, stable family life, So that would it would

make sense that somebody, at least in my opinion, that

somebody would really want that because they didn't have it.

He didn't have I mean, he grew up and these

guys grew up in a really terrible background, Like you

read their family lives, whether it's Miss Kelly Baldwin or ecles,

really unfortunate stuff. Like he told the stories. I don't

know if they're real or not, but like literally in

a shack, you know, growing up in a shack and

they're spraying like pesticides and like super poverty, like really

really bad stuff like the trailer with his.

Speaker 1: Mom for sure. And then also that he got started

a fire in the hospital, so it was started starting

fires when he was at school. He's starting fires in

the hospital. He cracked up, and like it talks about

how he like I think somehow he did with like

wet toilet paper. Don't ask me how.

Speaker 2: I've heard that he remember that started in a trash

can at school, look in the back, yeah, constantly.

Speaker 1: I mean, these are all the textbook signs of somebody

who's going to be violent, and uh, William Ramsay and

I were discussing his The one medication that he's on

is in pure mean it's also described in the files

as tofernal there it's the same medication and that is

often given to kids who bed wet. So I've often

wondered if he was a bedwetter. But it's to take

that same medication at night at fifty milligrams, and then

once he gets to the mental hospital, they up it

to one hundred and fifty milligrams. So it's like an

old school and I depressant. So yeah, very I mean that,

I mean that would be I mean, these are all

the signs of children who would be uh like flat

red flags for a violent psychopath, hurting animals, of starting fires.

Another one is bedwetting. Those are some of them. I

don't know if he was a bedwetter, but he's on

a drug that certainly was meant given to children who

were bedwetters.

Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's it's it's an incredible record, and it's

it's completely contradicts, like with a lot of these public

statements that they're making and the media is propagating. There's

no question about it. I It's incredible, really, Yeah, But

you can read about it in my book. My book

was published fifteen years ago. I think it's still to

it stands the test of time because I address a

lot of the recurrent persisting complaints against so many things

in the West Memphis three. Like I really tried to

address them, all questions, concerns, all that stuff. So vomination

has it and like you've played those videos, I have

probably forty of those type of videos about the West

Memphis three on my social media on Twitter. You can

just scroll through it type in West Memphis three in

the search bar on my feed and you can just

watch them. It's like a full documentary that contradicts their stories.

Speaker 1: I mean, if we you know, I like them because

they're just a reminder of the past lies, because you know,

they seem to these killers seem to get power or

get at least enthusiasm for their new lies from these

innocents fraud campaigns, and they always are coming up with

new lies or honing their old lies. So it's really hard,

you know, they're I think what these killers like to

do so much is mix it all up, so it's

really hard to discern what he's talking about with Exhibit

five hundred, so they put it way at the end

of the book when it should come way before, like

right at the trial, right after the verdict, to the sentencing,

But instead he puts it like after he's met Laurie

Davis and that it's something that Laurie Davis did to

help him get out of prison. And Lori Davis, you know,

became so such a strong advocate from that experience with

Exhibit five hundred, when she wasn't even in the picture

in nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 2: When did she show up after the.

Speaker 1: Documentaries after she saw the documentary, so she was not

on the scene. But he's mixing up time. He's playing

with time, but he's he's rightfully saying that it happened

during the sentencing phase, but he said after the verdict,

meaning like he's putting it in the terms of like

a innocence fraud campaign, which usually don't happen until about

like fourteen years after a conviction. So he's putting it

in that timeframe, not like right after the conviction. And

those are all his records, not like one woman came

in and interviewed him and came up with Because there

are crazy mental health professionals, especially in the psychiatry psychology field,

you know, I mean, they're happy to give other names

to They've really seem to like not even acknowledge anti

social personality disorder anymore, and they seem to be giving

it sorts of all new names, like on the spectrum, bipolar,

post traumatic stress disorder. Those are the new words for

antisocial personality disorder because you can't be helped if you're

a psychopath. There's no cure for it, so there's no

money for the psychology. And and it's also goes against

the idea that these are all just sort of like

hurt people hurt and they just need to be loved. Well,

you know, you know what I mean. So I think

they don't really like this diagnosis anymore. And we're getting

all these alternative, like odd diagnosises for people who seem

to me to have obviously antisocial personality disorder.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're degrading the DSM. So, like a

lot of stuff that was seen as crazy as not

crazy anymore, like transgenders or dysmorphia, their solutions and things

like that instead of psychological, let's trans that person, let's

do it.

Speaker 1: Oh, very scary, right, very scary and it was very

hard to I'm still losing friends over that issue. You

know why.

Speaker 2: It's it's it's it used to be considered mental illness,

guys like body dysmorphia.

Speaker 1: Well it was, yeah, no, people think it. I think

that people liked, especially men, like to give away you know,

women's consent very easily. And I think it's also you know,

I have other women saying, well, I wouldn't mind if

men use my bathroom. I wouldn't mind. I was like,

but you're assuming that that you know that you can tell,

whether you know a man's going to be violent or

well behaved or whatever, you're consenting for all women. You

can't do that. It's not the way the law works,

you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: It's there have been these cultural rules for thousands of years,

and they're upending them. So it's like a transfer trans

valuation of all values in a lot of ways. So

it's it's by the way.

Speaker 1: So you know, I think it like concluded with me

going to this event in downtown New York, which is

like a let women Speak event, and it got shut

down by Antifa before it even happened. I don't know

if I've ever told you is that that rally. I think,

so yeah, it was a big deal. Antifook got arrested,

it was like, you know, they wouldn't let any of

the women. It was like right on the sidewalk in

a public place. But they basically let Antifa close the

whole thing down. Anyway, the ACLU just put out like

a So the ACLU is very involved in innocence fraud.

They're the ones who facilitated the money from the Open Society,

George Soros's foundation that funded all those pro criminal prosecutors.

And they have a new video out showing violent protesters. Essentially,

they call it just protesters how not to get caught

while they're out doing actions, meaning breaking the law. But

when I was at that protest for women's you know,

for men out of women's spaces and everything, one man

followed me and spit on me and harassed me. There

was all sorts of like you know, Antifa like tries

to deafen you. They have these bullhorns and they like

green like Nazi go home in your ear with their

bullhorns and you know, try to intimidate you. It's it

was it was like, you know, there's a scary bunch

when you come on.

Speaker 2: There's a lot of violence, a lot of violence left,

a lot of violence, a lot of dead people, a

lot of people shocked. There's a lot, a lot more

than you'd think.

Speaker 1: So the a CLU is just like letting them know,

like you shouldn't be out protesting with your your phone

on giving your location if you're stop filming yourself breaking

the law. Basically right, not suppressed anything else that we

forgot on this.

Speaker 2: Yeah, there's five hundred pages, guys, you can read it

all on Callahan eight K. It's it's really incredible.

Speaker 1: Yeah, you think his dad leaving sent him off could be?

What do you think?

Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe. I mean I think he just

had a very he had a very troubled childhood and

a lot of he was disappointed with his dad, according

to what I read.

Speaker 1: For what it's worth, well, i'll leave you on this.

I think I believe Damien Echoes when he says that

it made whoever did this crime it made them happy.

I think it made him happy. I think this is

killing people's something he always wanted to do, and I

think he wanted to be famous from a vicious, horrible murder,

but the worst offenses they were all horrible, but a

lot of the worst things were done by Jason Baldwin,

who has like the Oki dok like you know, Southern

hick kind of persona, like the honest abe Southern hick persona.

Down he's you know, pretty good at lying in my opinion.

Speaker 2: Yeah, he kind of has that oh my gosh, Gollie

g type kind of thing. That's his kind of take

on things. As mine.

Speaker 1: We told the truth and nothing but the truth. We're innocent,

you know, Like you know, he's always he's always so

earnest and outraged. I mean, I fell for it, That's

all I say. I got duped. I hope nobody else

has to get duped. I've worked very hard. We're going

to wait until a couple of weeks. He's stupid. DNA

totally inconsequential DNA results are coming out. Let's see how

they spin at William Rosie. Where can people find you?

Speaker 2: William Ramsey investigates podcast five books on Amazon. You can

get Abomination on Amazon, And like I said, a lot

of those videos are on my YouTube channels, which I

got back about a year ago, so you can kind

of scroll through some of the older when they're ten

years old old almost so you can see those there.

And then thanks for having glad to be with you.

Speaker 1: Oh, it's always such a pleasure to do these episodes

with you. Maybe we'll be doing them again, and.

Speaker 2: Who knows. It seems like it never ends. I mean, god,

it just never ends. We'll see what happens. Will reach

out to me once these dna us return.

Speaker 1: Lets go there, all right, all right, we'll talk that,

all right, Thanks so much, have a good one.

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where the Shadows later plays frauds to fold when a

spotlight beams back, focused, queen busting propaganda schemes, glass Shadow,

lies that goes through the streets, standing for victims, giving

voice that beats.

Speaker 1: And yc post truth.

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dissecting Satan's defense, twisted innocense claims, breaking pretense. Gotham's truth

Seeker cuts clean with the blade in the forefront, No

justice gets swayed. Cold facts dripped heavy real salt, gun furls,

cracking cases open like oysters with pearls. In a sense, gimmicks,

crumpled the dust in the wind for victims, her creed,

justice till the end. Headphones blazing, she drops heavy artillery.

Now we're just twisted meat, blunt objects. Civility. Roberta God

receipts that unraveled deploy exposing the lies, These frauds that

just deploy glass shot, lies that goes through the streets,

standards for victims given voice, there meats, and yet post

thru sharpest Knight, Roberta exposes She's the anti fraud, light

Speaker 6: Looking