The Phillies need a starting pitcher before Aug. 3 trade deadline
The Phillies have two of the best pitchers in baseball in Cristopher Sánchez and Zack Wheeler. Jesus Luzardo has All-Star potential too. But the Phillies have growing concerns with Aaron Nola and their No. 5 starter. Should the Phillies prioritize a starting pitcher over a right-handed bat or late-inning reliever before the Aug. 3 trade deadline?
Ruben mentions an outside-the-box trade candidate for the Phillies: old friend Ranger Suarez!
Trea Turner and Justin Crawford are swinging the bat better. We discuss their progress. Jim also discusses an interesting story he wrote on Wheeler, who is keeping the door open for pitching beyond his contract in 2027.
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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Zach Wheeler.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Philly Show.
Speaker 3: Christopher Sanchez dazzled again on Tuesday night, seven scoreless sittings,
Speaker 3: but has starting pitching inched a little bit closer to
Speaker 3: the top on your August third trade deadline priority list.
Speaker 3: Ruben Lamarrow Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's a lucky It's the
Speaker 3: Philly Show. It's time for first Pitch. First Pitch is
Speaker 3: powered by Monster Energy. So, guys, Christopher Sanchez great again
Speaker 3: on Tuesday Night. He'll find out on Saturday that he
Speaker 3: has made the National League All Star Team. But Monday
Speaker 3: night eron NOLA, another really rough one. And we talked.
Speaker 3: We spent last Wednesday talking about the trade deadline lot
Speaker 3: kind of what we all thought. And I think Rubin
Speaker 3: you were like, you want that bullpen arm. Jim, where
Speaker 3: were you on that?
Speaker 4: Well, I want a bullpen arm, I want a bat
Speaker 4: And I think the rotation is something they need to
Speaker 4: address as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's a big wants all over the above.
Speaker 5: You want the above.
Speaker 4: You know there's a big drop off after three and
Speaker 4: if you don't address it, you're not getting enough innings
Speaker 4: out of four and five. You're gonna your bullpen is
Speaker 4: gonna become even a bigger weakness because you're gonna wear
Speaker 4: their asses out.
Speaker 3: Well, that's and that's my question is does watching Aaron
Speaker 3: Nola pitch on Monday, Jim Ruben, does that do you
Speaker 3: feel more strongly about that, Jim than you did last
Speaker 3: week when you made your position.
Speaker 4: I've been concerned about the four and five spot all along.
Speaker 4: I've been concerned about Nola all along. It's hard to see.
Speaker 4: We talked about it two weeks ago. Guy's been an
Speaker 4: unbelievable Philly, a great Philly. He's gonna be on the
Speaker 4: Wall of Fame. He's been a workhorse. He threw a
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of pitches, a lot of innings
Speaker 4: for bad teams, threw a lot of pitches and a
Speaker 4: lot of innings for good teams. But from the start
Speaker 4: of seventeen through the end of twenty four led to
Speaker 4: majors and innings pitched by a wide margin. And I
Speaker 4: just think it's all kind of catching up with them.
Speaker 4: Every baseball player, every pro athlete, has that kind of
Speaker 4: career cycle or a life cycle, and I'm afraid it's
Speaker 4: we're seeing decline right in front of our arm.
Speaker 5: It's tough to see.
Speaker 4: Solution for me is you piggyback them with Alan rang
Speaker 4: Hall and you try to get three four out of
Speaker 4: them on a given night because the stuff was good early.
Speaker 4: So you piggyback him and go out and get a
Speaker 4: number five starter or swing man would be ideal, somebody
Speaker 4: who could help in the bullpen here and there, maybe
Speaker 4: in October.
Speaker 5: But I think it needs to be addressed.
Speaker 6: Yes, what about did O Jim Almost right on point,
Speaker 6: and that's why Jim should have been one of my
Speaker 6: area scouts.
Speaker 2: But the reality of it is this, it's all about.
Speaker 6: Pitching all the time. You see Tray Turner starting to
Speaker 6: turn it around. That's the right handed bat they need,
Speaker 6: and he's the guy that actually has to play and
Speaker 6: have to have success for this team to go anyway,
Speaker 6: because he's sort of irreplaceable. They've you know, they've committed
Speaker 6: a whole lot of money, a whole.
Speaker 2: Lot of time to the guy.
Speaker 6: They have to expect that he becomes Trey Turner again,
Speaker 6: and it looks like he's becoming more athletic. I thought
Speaker 6: a lot about what he has After one of one
Speaker 6: of the games he had on the road, he just
Speaker 6: talked about just being athletic at being himself and not
Speaker 6: thinking so much. I think that's exactly what he needs
Speaker 6: to do, and you start to see him doing that
Speaker 6: a little bit more, a little bit more lately. On
Speaker 6: the Aaron Nola thing, I just feel very concerned about
Speaker 6: the fact that he just he really literally runs out
Speaker 6: of gas after three or four innings and that's you know.
Speaker 6: And and to me, he was super sharp in the
Speaker 6: early part of the game. He looked exactly like Aaron
Speaker 6: Nola should look. I just don't think he can sustain
Speaker 6: it for five or six innings. And so, yes, Jim
Speaker 6: I totally agrees. He becomes sort of a piggyback guy.
Speaker 6: He also becomes massively, massively affected by the ABS system.
Speaker 6: ABS system becomes something that really affects him. It's not
Speaker 6: an excuse, it's just a reality that he's the guy
Speaker 6: who lives on the edges. He doesn't get the pitches
Speaker 6: he has. He has the reputation if you're an umpire,
Speaker 6: he has the reputation to get pitches on corners that
Speaker 6: that other pictures may not. He's been around a long time.
Speaker 6: He never pitches and complains about stuff. He's got a
Speaker 6: good rapport with the umpires. He's around the edges a lot.
Speaker 6: He gets some of those pitches and it changes very often.
Speaker 6: It changes his ability to be successful. And I think
Speaker 6: the two things, the pitch clock and the ABS system,
Speaker 6: of all the pitchers in the Philly staff and maybe
Speaker 6: in a lot of staffs in baseball, Aaron Nola has
Speaker 6: probably been affected.
Speaker 5: The Yeah, we've.
Speaker 3: Been watching this for a couple of years now. He's
Speaker 3: got what a six two yearly the last two seasons
Speaker 3: over thirty four starts, and you know, watch JT. Real
Speaker 3: Muto said something the other day kind of kind of
Speaker 3: reinforced what both of you guys just said, which was,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of what happened, because he got twenty
Speaker 3: three swings amazing, and that is that says something that
Speaker 3: says like there's something still there. He has an ability
Speaker 3: to get out. But then what JT said was the
Speaker 3: stuff just diminished quite a bit, and it just kind
Speaker 3: of after the third or fourth inning, it just it
Speaker 3: just it just went away. And so Jim that that
Speaker 3: piggyback idea makes a lot of sense. I was looking
Speaker 3: at this up. I don't know if this makes any
Speaker 3: sense to you guys, but this is percent of pitches
Speaker 3: that Aaron Nola has thrown season by season in the
Speaker 3: sixth inning or later. This season, only four point eight
Speaker 3: percent of all of his pitches have come out six
Speaker 3: inning or later. Now, from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: you can see those numbers there. When he led Major
Speaker 3: League Baseball and innings pitch by like one hundred innings
Speaker 3: over everybody else, over twenty percent of all of his
Speaker 3: pitches came in the sixth inning and later. So that
Speaker 3: is a significant drop off. This is a guy who
Speaker 3: for years was a ridiculous reliable workhorse, and now he
Speaker 3: just cannot get that deep into games. And what you're
Speaker 3: seeing there is it's you know, you're seeing the trickle
Speaker 3: effect in those four and five spots. You're seeing Nola
Speaker 3: get out early. Then you're seeing them use an opener
Speaker 3: for Ron. Hell, if you can get him through five, great,
Speaker 3: But now you're using all of your bullpen guys twice
Speaker 3: a week four or five innings, and then you run
Speaker 3: in a situation like Monday night where they're down or
Speaker 3: run and you're like, do we use Bowland? Yeah, do
Speaker 3: we use one of our plus guys? Do we use
Speaker 3: He was a minus guy like Chase Sugart and Don
Speaker 3: Mangley said, like, I was kind of in a tough spot.
Speaker 3: I had to use somebody in it, and we can't
Speaker 3: keep chasing wins all the time. And maybe if they
Speaker 3: had some guys pitching deeper into games, those guys are
Speaker 3: a little bit better rested. Maybe down a run, maybe
Speaker 3: use another up more of one of your more plus
Speaker 3: relievers so that you guys know it's it's that trickle
Speaker 3: in the night starting pitch.
Speaker 4: And it hurt him that they only got five from
Speaker 4: Loizardo on Sunday in New York. But Ruby, you're so
Speaker 4: right about the abs. I'm watching Monday Night's game. Early
Speaker 4: in that game, he threw a front hip sinker to
Speaker 4: a left handed batter. It was a gorgeous pitch. He
Speaker 4: didn't get it. Like the same inning, he throws a
Speaker 4: spike curve just off the plate to a right hand
Speaker 4: or maybe on the block.
Speaker 5: Didn't get it.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, he gets those pitches earlier in his career.
Speaker 4: We had John Smoltz on last year, and John Smoltz
Speaker 4: drew a comparison style of pitching, not the same guy,
Speaker 4: but style of pitching to Greg Maddox and he's you know,
Speaker 4: the combination of workload age catching up up with him
Speaker 4: and the abs because when he has to when he doesn't,
Speaker 4: when he falls behind, and now he has to come
Speaker 4: over the plate and that's when he gets killed because
Speaker 4: he has stuff to get it by people. It's tough
Speaker 4: to see.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he teases a guy that cannot make mistakes. He
Speaker 6: makes mistakes in the middle of the plate and he
Speaker 6: gets nailed for home runs.
Speaker 2: It's as simple as that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you talk about so Phillies only have so many
Speaker 3: resources to trade guys. I mean, this is a tough
Speaker 3: spot for the Phillies front office because you got to
Speaker 3: figure out what you want to get. I don't know
Speaker 3: if they could get all three. I don't know what
Speaker 3: the quality will be if they address I've got one.
Speaker 2: I've got one big one. I got one huge one.
Speaker 2: But go ahead, we'll go for it.
Speaker 6: Talk about it, and I'm gonna go bold Man. Go
Speaker 6: get Ranger Suarez. Go get Ranger Suarez from the Boston
Speaker 6: Red Sox. I guarantee he'll come back. I don't know
Speaker 6: if he's has any no trade stuff on there, but
Speaker 6: go get him.
Speaker 2: Come here, Just get him, come here. Go get Ranger
Speaker 2: Suarez problems solve that though. It would take Andrew Paynter
Speaker 2: Andrew Painter, okay, and I would do it.
Speaker 5: I probably would do it too.
Speaker 2: Wow, I would do Andrew Paynter for Rainger Suarez. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: I would do it.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's had a very nice year with the
Speaker 3: Red Sox. I was looking at his numbers the other day.
Speaker 2: He's being I would do it.
Speaker 6: He solves so many issues if you want to put
Speaker 6: him or Lozardo in a bullpen, if you don't need
Speaker 6: that four starter in the playoffs either way, right there and.
Speaker 2: All those guys are signed, it gives you that depth
Speaker 2: that you need.
Speaker 6: I don't know if they have the money to do it,
Speaker 6: but if they do, that's the move.
Speaker 5: Do you think if you would would paint to be enough?
Speaker 6: If he's got a big he's got a big contract,
Speaker 6: and some people would say it's a good contract, but
Speaker 6: it's a big contract. I don't know, who knows. Maybe
Speaker 6: we'll see. I wonder if he's kicking the tires.
Speaker 5: Ooh, you sound like you got a little intel.
Speaker 6: Oh no, I have no, I don't have any I'm
Speaker 6: just I'm literally I'm literally just throwing spaghetti against the
Speaker 6: wall here and hoping it sticks.
Speaker 4: It's good spaghetti. Because this is a year like no other.
Speaker 4: You got an aging team that's just you know, the
Speaker 4: odometer is turning. You don't know what the hell next
Speaker 4: year is going to look like.
Speaker 5: You gotta win now.
Speaker 4: I almost would do that trade just for the now
Speaker 4: and worry about all the rest down the road.
Speaker 6: Well, then, and then they create some pitching depth. I mean,
Speaker 6: they still have depth. They're aging arms, but they're still
Speaker 6: effective arms.
Speaker 2: And I don't.
Speaker 6: Mind having Lizardo, Wheeler, Ranger, and Christopher Sanchez in my
Speaker 6: rotation for the next several years, or at least in
Speaker 6: the next one year, and then we'll see what happens
Speaker 6: with Wheeler.
Speaker 5: Well, why not make it a freaking blockbuster and bring
Speaker 5: Chapman too?
Speaker 2: Why not? Why not?
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Speaker 3: So, Reuben, you threw me a little bit of a
Speaker 3: curveball with the Ranger Suarez thing because I put together
Speaker 3: a little literally, yeah you did. I put together little
Speaker 3: chart here of potential names. As I'm putting together this
Speaker 3: chart to go who would Jim and Rubin like to
Speaker 3: talk about? And at no point Rubin did I say,
Speaker 3: let me throw a Ranger Suarez on that list. But
Speaker 3: I love that idea. But here are some Here are
Speaker 3: some rentals that are available starting pitching. Rentals that are
Speaker 3: available if the Phillies want to go on the cheaper side,
Speaker 3: the theoretically cheaper side. Zach Gallon, Casey Miz Robbie, Ray,
Speaker 3: Freddy Peralta Sunny Gray is kind of a rental. There's
Speaker 3: a He's got a twenty twenty seven mutual option with
Speaker 3: the Red Sox. But he's also making thirty million dollars
Speaker 3: this year. There's a payroll consideration there. Brady Singer, any
Speaker 3: of those guys float your boat.
Speaker 6: I get a little flow from Sonny Gray, and I
Speaker 6: get some flow from Zach Gallon, believe it or not,
Speaker 6: even though he's not having a great year, He's been
Speaker 6: there and done it. Robbie Ray excites me a little
Speaker 6: bit too. But Sonny Gray, I would go, would be
Speaker 6: the top of the list there for me. But he's
Speaker 6: going to take a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you've got to spread out some of your
Speaker 4: resources other needs. What about those any one of those
Speaker 4: guys would kind of fit what you're looking for. What
Speaker 4: about like that Kansas City team they're going to see
Speaker 4: this weekend.
Speaker 5: They have a couple of guys like Walk had had
Speaker 5: a long.
Speaker 4: Reliable it seems like a reliable career. I wonder about him.
Speaker 4: You know, Brady Singer has always had upside. I don't
Speaker 4: think the price would be that steep on him.
Speaker 5: You never know, but you gotta do something out there.
Speaker 3: Try to think who else?
Speaker 2: What about that kid from Ryan from Minnesota? Is that kid.
Speaker 6: That's going to cost It's gonna cost a lot, But
Speaker 6: you know, that's an Andrew Paynter type of a deal,
Speaker 6: and would you do that.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how many years if an they have
Speaker 2: on Ryan.
Speaker 6: If I have a couple of years on control on him,
Speaker 6: I would absolutely consider him.
Speaker 3: Joe Ryan is signed through twenty twenty seven. I did
Speaker 3: have that prepared as well, but it's not I can't
Speaker 3: find it. But here's some controllable starting pictures. I'll just
Speaker 3: read you the list. You know, Sandy al contract club
Speaker 3: option through twenty twenty seven. Jimmy mentioned Seth Lugo through
Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven. Waka is signed through twenty twenty seven
Speaker 3: with a club option for twenty twenty eight. Joe Ryan
Speaker 3: I mentioned Red Debt Meers and Jose Soriano with the Angels,
Speaker 3: they're under team control through twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2: They could be moved.
Speaker 4: We go from trade and Painter for Ranger Suarez. So
Speaker 4: this observation or a question might sound ridiculous, but one
Speaker 4: of the chances that in three weeks.
Speaker 5: Painter come back and be the number five guy.
Speaker 6: I mean, he threw once already, right, he went out
Speaker 6: and performed once and just did okay, not great. I
Speaker 6: didn't go and see his stuff I didn't see his mechanics.
Speaker 6: I don't know that much about it except that he
Speaker 6: did he pitched. Okay, but okay he's not good enough. Okay,
Speaker 6: he's not going to be good enough because okay, he
Speaker 6: did last year and it did not translate into major
Speaker 6: leagues this year.
Speaker 4: This kind of reminds me of way back when when
Speaker 4: you tried to get Cliff Lee back.
Speaker 2: That is correct, Why not.
Speaker 6: If it makes you better man, whatever makes you better, bro,
Speaker 6: whatever makes you better.
Speaker 3: So you ended up not yeah, that's that, getting Royal.
Speaker 5: He went to Texas.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he ended up getting ended up getting Roswalt and
Speaker 6: and and and you know, obviously you want to try
Speaker 6: to get if you're going to move a guy like Painter.
Speaker 6: I don't know that they even would consider doing that.
Speaker 6: But if to move a guy like Painter, you really
Speaker 6: want to try to get a guy who you could
Speaker 6: have under control at least for a year after twenty
Speaker 6: twenty six.
Speaker 2: Sure, I forgot about that. Cliff Lee can't can't do
Speaker 2: the rental.
Speaker 3: You never got close with bringing Cliff Lee back July
Speaker 3: of twenty ten.
Speaker 2: I do not believe.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was fun though.
Speaker 2: Those were fun years.
Speaker 3: Every July. Something big happened was.
Speaker 2: A July July thirty, July twenty ninth.
Speaker 3: July twenty ninth, Oswald cliff Ley the first.
Speaker 5: Time, right, Elda de Jubio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you guys? When I was smart? That's
Speaker 2: when I was smart and the beginning an idiot.
Speaker 5: It happens in life, It happens all of us.
Speaker 3: What did you guys think of us? So we've been
Speaker 3: talking about how to fill the rotation at those bottom
Speaker 3: two spots. But would you think of Sanchez on Tuesday night? Oh,
Speaker 3: that's back back to his old self. Little little little
Speaker 3: little scarre of there, a little brief scare at the
Speaker 3: top of the seventh, the thing when he see him
Speaker 3: going like this to the training staff to come out
Speaker 3: to the mound.
Speaker 6: But you're just hoping he's not about his elbow or
Speaker 6: his shoulder. I think the cool thing about this guy.
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously, his numbers at home are just ridiculous.
Speaker 6: I think he's got under a nine e r A
Speaker 6: at home and eleven starts. He's having a historic season.
Speaker 6: After the in the post game, he's like the fourth
Speaker 6: guy he has He has eight scoreless games?
Speaker 2: Is that something like that? Eight scoreless games.
Speaker 6: I mean the names that are that are popping up
Speaker 6: in the history of the game. For this guy at home,
Speaker 6: the way he's pitching is just insane. He loves his mound,
Speaker 6: he loves pitching in front of the fans. His fastball
Speaker 6: command was back and sharp on the inside part of
Speaker 6: the plate, and it opened up all types of stuff.
Speaker 2: And he is perfecting his slider.
Speaker 6: My fine feathered friends, that slider's getting tighter and tighter.
Speaker 6: He's getting wings and misses on that sucker. And look
Speaker 6: out the rest of the National League. If that gets
Speaker 6: to a like a fifty five to sixty five pitch
Speaker 6: as far as grading it, lookout, because he's got to eighty.
Speaker 6: He's got an eighty fastball and an eighty changeup, So
Speaker 6: you you couple that with like a sixty slider.
Speaker 2: It's say good night, my friends.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he had like twenty three twenty three missus.
Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, no, the forre his first five strikeouts for
Speaker 3: sliders last night, and then and then he started throwing
Speaker 3: getting everybody out of the change up later in the game.
Speaker 5: Dazzly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just phenomenal.
Speaker 5: How about the pirates sick of looking at him? It's
Speaker 5: like sixteen innings, no runs, twenty three k's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like now they get they get Zach Wheeler tonight.
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Speaker 3: Right, we're back, Rubin. You mentioned Trey Turner earlier. He
Speaker 3: has been picking it up a little.
Speaker 4: Bit sure has looking.
Speaker 3: At his notting. Go Jimmy yet, if you have something.
Speaker 4: Last thirteen games, six two hit games and won three
Speaker 4: hit game last thirteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bad, three forty five in his last thirteen games.
Speaker 3: And then what about Justin Crawford?
Speaker 2: Oh wow, this last yeah?
Speaker 3: Batting three seventy five.
Speaker 5: Last yeah.
Speaker 6: And so I got to say, and I got to
Speaker 6: give some love to cole Wine Troub. I guess a
Speaker 6: couple of days ago he put together a story about
Speaker 6: some adjustments that Crawford had had made and he has
Speaker 6: sort of gone to a no stride to eliminate some
Speaker 6: of the movement he's been late on the fastball. It's
Speaker 6: a really hard thing to adjust in the middle of
Speaker 6: a season for a young player who's just trying to survive,
Speaker 6: right He's trying to figure out a way to stay
Speaker 6: in the big leagues and to be a contributor. And
Speaker 6: you know, credit to him, you know, I sometimes question, like,
Speaker 6: why does it take so long for guys to make adjustments? Well,
Speaker 6: the guys had success doing hitting a certain way for
Speaker 6: a long long time in the minor leagues, and you
Speaker 6: sort of have to let him fail for a little
Speaker 6: while before you can really get in his brain and
Speaker 6: get in his soul and be able to make the
Speaker 6: adjustment and say, listen, you're probably not going to be
Speaker 6: able to hit like this in the major leagues. You've
Speaker 6: got to make a little bit of an adjustment. I
Speaker 6: think that they've gotten to the point with Crawford to
Speaker 6: be able to do that, and I'm sure they're talking
Speaker 6: to the hitman Mike Eastler, who's one of his mentors,
Speaker 6: and talking to his dad about making those adjustments. There's
Speaker 6: a lot of things, machinations and things that have to
Speaker 6: happen with Kevin long that relationship to make that change.
Speaker 6: He's made the change. He looks like he's a little
Speaker 6: bit more crisp to the baseball. Has a huge base
Speaker 6: hit yesterday to break the back of the Pittsburgh Pirates.
Speaker 2: In the second inning with a two.
Speaker 6: Out RBI after a tough at bat, guy throwing one
Speaker 6: hundred and two miles an hour fastball at him, foulling
Speaker 6: him off, and then you know, picking off a little
Speaker 6: breaking ball in the back door and put it in play.
Speaker 6: That kind of stuff is huge for his huge for
Speaker 6: his ego, it's huge for his confidence. Gets another couple
Speaker 6: of hits, puts a great bunt down does a bunch
Speaker 6: of stuff really really well. And that's huge for the
Speaker 6: Phillies because if they get some production out of that
Speaker 6: nine hole, and with the way Trey Turner swing in
Speaker 6: the bat, you got a nice little duo there that
Speaker 6: that can create some havoc.
Speaker 4: That's the type of hitter he should be lined a
Speaker 4: line slash, drop one down. Usual wheels, you know, like
Speaker 4: William McGee used to do wheels.
Speaker 3: Jimmy mentioned Zach wheels. Wheeler is facing sixty ninety Paul
Speaker 3: Skeins on Wednesday night. That's going to be a fun
Speaker 3: one at Citizens Bank Parking Gym. You had a little story.
Speaker 3: I read an interesting story on Zach weed season so
Speaker 3: far and what might be to come in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: seven and beyond.
Speaker 4: Well, he's you know, obviously he's he's chasing you know
Speaker 4: that Cy Young, which I think he which I know
Speaker 4: he wants so badly, And he'll get to qualify for
Speaker 4: the Era lead in about a month or so.
Speaker 5: And uh, you know, we.
Speaker 4: Talked a little bit about the possibility of Cooperstown because
Speaker 4: when you look at his numbers since he arrived in
Speaker 4: Philly in the seven six plus seasons. He's the best
Speaker 4: starting pitcher in baseball, and that's approaching an era, and
Speaker 4: that's how a lot of voters look at it, the
Speaker 4: dominated era. So he's getting very close to that. And
Speaker 4: he did admit, you know, he signed through twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 4: He has always said he intends to retire after that season,
Speaker 4: but he admitted to the possibility of some wiggle room
Speaker 4: after twenty twenty seven, maybe continuing to pitch a fee,
Speaker 4: depending on how he feels and depending how things go.
Speaker 5: Nothing certain, but open minded. So but I'm really looking
Speaker 5: forward to seeing him face schemes tonight. He's on an
Speaker 5: unbelievable role. They're ten and two in his starts to
Speaker 5: twenty and four in his and Sanchez starts since Zach
Speaker 5: returned on April twenty fifth, So this turnaround has been built.
Speaker 5: It's sprung from Zach Wheeler's return. It's the team.
Speaker 3: You get performances like that in October. You never know
Speaker 3: what can happen.
Speaker 2: You never ever, No, it.
Speaker 3: Would be absolutely amazing if if Zach Wheeler would decide
Speaker 3: to keep this thing going bon twenty twenty seven, because
Speaker 3: he has so much fun to watch, and I do
Speaker 3: believe he's a Hall of Fame. Murphy puts in another
Speaker 3: couple another feud.
Speaker 5: You get a sag. I have another big October two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and listen, people are looking at Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3: People are just start looking at pitchers in the Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame differently. The three hundred wins and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be looked at differently. He is one of
Speaker 3: the best for an extended period of time. I believe
Speaker 3: he's a Hall of Fame candidate.
Speaker 4: And Todd do you remember twenty twenty one, so he
Speaker 4: loses the finishes second to Burns in the cy Young
Speaker 4: by right, yes, yes, And so do you remember talking
Speaker 4: to him in clear Water in February of twenty twenty
Speaker 4: two he was chapped that.
Speaker 5: He pitched two hundred and thirty two hundred thirteen innings.
Speaker 5: The other guy pitched sixty seven.
Speaker 4: But Zach projects to have about seven about one hundred,
Speaker 4: and the other guy pitched one hundred and sixty seven.
Speaker 4: Zach projects have about one hundred and seventy innings this year.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't that be poetic justice if he could win the
Speaker 4: cy Young on that innings total when he kind of
Speaker 4: got jobbed on it in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do remember that we were standing right outside
Speaker 3: the clubhouse between Speck Bright or what is it Baker Ballpark, Yeah, complex,
Speaker 3: and we're talking to him and you could tell he
Speaker 3: was irritated, as he should have been, because, as you said,
Speaker 3: he threw like sixty more innings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was a joke. It was a joke.
Speaker 6: And I remember going on MLB Network and having an
Speaker 6: argument with Jim Bowden about it, and he was trying
Speaker 6: to tell me that the other guy deserved it more
Speaker 6: like bull shit.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it was ridiculous. He's pitching an extra month
Speaker 2: and a half, an extra month.
Speaker 3: Jason Stark had at Jason Stark had a great stat
Speaker 3: that you're like, if you took Zach Wheeler out of
Speaker 3: the game in the sixth inning, like Corbyn Burns left
Speaker 3: every game, their numbers were literally identical. Like Zach Wheeler
Speaker 3: got penalized for being a guy.
Speaker 6: That was It was the stupidest, ridiculous decision in the
Speaker 6: history of writing.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, guys, it was bad.
Speaker 3: The right I voted.
Speaker 2: I wanted it up.
Speaker 5: I voted for the guy.
Speaker 6: Writers have it up and it's a disappointment. He would
Speaker 6: have won it last you know, he would have wanted it.
Speaker 6: I mean obviously he had sale yeah, sale deal top
Speaker 6: five last year, two.
Speaker 3: Years yeah, two years ago. Yeah yeah. But it should
Speaker 3: be a fun game to night. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: great stuff going on in the area, right, Ruben, Do
Speaker 3: you have anything else? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 6: Hey, guys, don't forget about the slug Ball All Star
Speaker 6: Classic in Philadelphia August eighth, twenty twenty six. It's going
Speaker 6: to be happening at Tony lasorda Field University of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6: We're going to have a whole bunch of alums there
Speaker 6: from the Phillies. It's benefiting the Darren Dalton Foundation and
Speaker 6: the Ruben Tomorrow Senior Foundation. I mean, you're gonna have,
Speaker 6: you know, a whole bunch of guys that are scheduled
Speaker 6: to be there, including Cole Hamills, Mike Liberthal, Mickey Morandini,
Speaker 6: Kevin stock Er, Milt Thompson, Dominic Brown, myself, even Charlie
Speaker 6: Manuel and Larry Bow will be there as honorary managers.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, man, we had a great time doing a slugball.
Speaker 2: That's right, you guys doing a little slugball. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: going to be a cool competition.
Speaker 6: And I think we're going to have a whole bunch
Speaker 6: of folks sort of covenant done. The NBC is going
Speaker 6: to be there, there's going to be all a bunch
Speaker 6: of stuff that It'll be a fun day, no doubt.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: All right, guys, Well Zach Wheeler, Paul Skins on Wednesday Night.
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