The Phillies offense heats up, Zack Wheeler gets fired up
It was 105 degrees at Citizens Bank Park on Thursday afternoon.
It’s been hot at the Bank all week. The Phillies’ offense scored 25 games in the first three games of a four-game split against the Pirates, including an eight spot on Paul Skenes. But Zack Wheeler was hot on Wednesday night when Don Mattingly pulled him from the game with two outs in the fifth inning. Wheeler talked about it on Wednesday night. Mattingly addressed it on Thursday.
Plus, an update on Jim’s tomatoes, while NBC Sports Philadelphia’s Rob Kuestner tells us some cool All-Star programming coming up next week!
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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Zach Wheeler.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Philly Show.
Speaker 3: Rubin Tomorrow Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's Lucky. It's the Philly Show. Friday,
Speaker 3: July third, twenty twenty six. The Phillies survived a four
Speaker 3: game series with a split against the Pirates. And I
Speaker 3: say survived because I looked at the scoreboard in the
Speaker 3: ninth inning and it said one hundred and five degrees
Speaker 3: on the scoreboard. It's on Fanavision scoreboard. It Citizens Bank Park.
Speaker 4: I think, Jim your sistical, Yeah, that was a juice
Speaker 4: to gun. I think I think it was only one
Speaker 4: on one.
Speaker 2: I had one ten when I got in my car.
Speaker 3: You had one ten. It was as uncomfortable as ever
Speaker 3: been in a ballpark, I think, other than maybe Wrigley
Speaker 3: Field in like twenty eleven when Royal over. Oh that
Speaker 3: was a hot week. I remember I had, I had
Speaker 3: pants on. I rolled my pants up and made him
Speaker 3: shorts in the press box at Wrigley Field because it
Speaker 3: was so hot.
Speaker 4: Today are so heavy that night. Yes, it's unbelieved that
Speaker 4: I remember. The funny thing was only like eighty five degrees,
Speaker 4: but it was the most stifling eighty five degrees you've
Speaker 4: ever seen in your life.
Speaker 3: It was ridiculous. But the Phillies split this series against
Speaker 3: the Pirates, put a bunch of runs up the first
Speaker 3: three games, and then of course they score one run
Speaker 3: on four hits on Thursday. But talking to Trey Turner
Speaker 3: following Wednesday night win, guys, he talked a lot about
Speaker 3: the offense. Don maddingly talked about a lot about the offense,
Speaker 3: of course, because that was the second game this season
Speaker 3: where they kind of jumped on Paul Skeens. He allowed
Speaker 3: a career high eight runs against the Phillies on Wednesday night,
Speaker 3: and Paul Skeens is pretty good, so they talked a
Speaker 3: lot about it. The Phillies offense seems to be turning
Speaker 3: a corner. I don't know what you guys think. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna show you some numbers here. This is what the
Speaker 3: Phillies did through April twenty six and Rob Thompson got fired.
Speaker 3: They were twenty ninth in baseball and batting average, twenty
Speaker 3: ninth in OPS, twenty ninth in runs per game under
Speaker 3: Don Manningly through Wednesday, not including today, their fourteenth and
Speaker 3: batting average twelfth in OPS, seventh and runs per game.
Speaker 1: But in June.
Speaker 3: Guys, they are seventh in baseball with the two sixty
Speaker 3: sixth batting average, ninth with a seven to seventy eight OPS.
Speaker 3: And they had this they were second in Major League
Speaker 3: Baseball and runs per game in June. So my question
Speaker 3: you guys, is is it hitting season? Are you? Are
Speaker 3: you buying it? Are you a little less concerned about
Speaker 3: the bats as August third approaches?
Speaker 5: Well, I'm a little less concerned about the bats just
Speaker 5: because Trade Turner's starting to swing the bat a little bit.
Speaker 2: He's becoming Trade Turner, so that's helpful. Marsh's had a
Speaker 2: great year.
Speaker 5: They've had major turnarounds from Alex Bohm was abysmal in
Speaker 5: the first month, month and a half and he's turned
Speaker 5: it around and he's picking it up, hitting the ball strong,
Speaker 5: hit some home runs, driving the ball, almost pulled another
Speaker 5: home run out of the ballpark off the top of
Speaker 5: the wall in the early part of the game on Thursday.
Speaker 5: Nice to see him be able to do some things offensively,
Speaker 5: and he's playing well defensively as in addition, so yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm a little less concerned about but I'm even more
Speaker 5: concerned about the bullpen and the rotation.
Speaker 3: Ruben, you read my mind, my man, because I was
Speaker 3: sitting next to jim to day in the press box,
Speaker 3: and I think Jimmy and I were kind of thinking
Speaker 3: the same thing as you kind of watch this game unfold.
Speaker 3: You know, the bullpen has been used a lot and
Speaker 3: all on run. Hell pitches four scoreless innings and you're
Speaker 3: like five outs from this bullpen and it did not
Speaker 3: go as planned. Jim, are you as concerned as Ruben
Speaker 3: is about the bullpen?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am. What we saw on Thursday and on Wednesdays,
Speaker 4: their left handers had a lot of trouble. I mean
Speaker 4: you look at Backus comes in the game, hits two guys,
Speaker 4: faces three batters. On Thursday, hits two of them and
Speaker 4: one of them forces home a run. Today, first battery
Speaker 4: faces home run. Tim Mays has been very good this year.
Speaker 4: He had a tough inning, gave up a couple hits
Speaker 4: in a run to tie the game on Thursday. And Alvarado,
Speaker 4: who was coming off like four scoreless looking like he
Speaker 4: was getting it together. He has a tough inning, gives
Speaker 4: up a couple of runs. It's just I look at
Speaker 4: Jose al Elvarado, He's not the lockdown shut shutdown guy
Speaker 4: he was. I mean, the stuff is still really good,
Speaker 4: but he'll have that game where he gives up two
Speaker 4: or three and it seems to really hurt them. And
Speaker 4: he's your top left handed leverage guy. So yeah, that's
Speaker 4: a concern. I just think they need more of those
Speaker 4: consistent outings from him. Like I said, he put together
Speaker 4: a few coming into Thursday, but you know, today just
Speaker 4: got away from him. I mean, his the era is
Speaker 4: over six giving up forty one hits in thirty one innings.
Speaker 4: That's a lot. That's a lot. Comes more of a
Speaker 4: concern as the games get bigger in the second half
Speaker 4: comes on. So I look at pitching as a need
Speaker 4: for Dave Dombrowski here in the final month as he
Speaker 4: sort of scopes out what his priorities are at the deadline.
Speaker 4: But they could use back end help in the rotation.
Speaker 4: There's no question they could use leverage. It'll help when
Speaker 4: they get Keller back, you would hope. But they could
Speaker 4: also still use a bat in that outfield. So I
Speaker 4: don't know which way he's going to go with his
Speaker 4: limited trade chips. Just think you know the way the
Speaker 4: offense swung it in June, and it's continued to swing.
Speaker 4: It makes you feel like, okay, maybe a marginal bat
Speaker 4: and focus more on your big acquisition.
Speaker 5: As an arm I have to say this, Alvarado, I
Speaker 5: cannot trust He's got a six era.
Speaker 2: I just can't trust him.
Speaker 5: So he's not going to be a leverage guy for
Speaker 5: me in the eighth, seventh, eighth inning for.
Speaker 2: Me in October.
Speaker 5: And you need someone the way he's pitching, and so
Speaker 5: you definitely have to have somebody there.
Speaker 2: Keller has to step forward.
Speaker 5: The two guys that become the most important to me,
Speaker 5: or Keller and Kirkering, because those two guys have the ability,
Speaker 5: I think to at least give them to be able
Speaker 5: to hand the baseball to Juan Duran.
Speaker 2: But if they don't require somebody, boy.
Speaker 5: You're you are really relying on some big question marks.
Speaker 5: Keller with his helf and he wasn't all that effective
Speaker 5: when he was playing. He was decent, but then he
Speaker 5: would get in the spells too. There's not a lot
Speaker 5: of consistency, as he said Jim, so it's a real concern.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: What was as weird as a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3: I think it was when Alvarado was talking after a
Speaker 3: game game. Obviously he gave up some runs and he's
Speaker 3: he made a comment like, you know, so many guys
Speaker 3: now see one hundred miles an hour, and so now
Speaker 3: they see that velocity that much. It was ruby. You
Speaker 3: say this all the time the last couple of years.
Speaker 3: You say, Alvarado is a big confidence guy. If he's
Speaker 3: feeling confident, he can be good. And that to me
Speaker 3: sounded like a guy that has absolutely no confidence in
Speaker 3: what he is doing on the mound. When when you're
Speaker 3: throwing one hundred miles an hour and you're getting hit
Speaker 3: and then you say, well, I don't know, I guess
Speaker 3: everybody sees a hundred nowadays. It's so yeah, I guess
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get hit now. That seemed that seems like
Speaker 3: a gay Without a lot of comments. Don maningly talked
Speaker 3: about changes the pitch mix a little bit, which I
Speaker 3: guess it may be a little bit made him a
Speaker 3: little bit more effective. But yeah, they need to get
Speaker 3: his confidence back. He needs to get his mojo back.
Speaker 2: For sure. He's gonna have to be able to use
Speaker 2: the other side of the plate.
Speaker 5: Everything's on the inside part of the plate, glove side,
Speaker 5: glove side, glove side glove side. Everybody knows that they've
Speaker 5: been seeing it for four or five years now, so
Speaker 5: it's nothing new to people. Glove side, fastball, glove side,
Speaker 5: and that's inside on the right handers. So if I'm
Speaker 5: a right hand hitter, I'm cheating. I'm cheating on the
Speaker 5: inside part and I'm gonna whack it. And if he
Speaker 5: doesn't throw it to the right spot, that's why he's
Speaker 5: gonna have to figure out a way to use the
Speaker 5: arm side or the outside part of the plate against
Speaker 5: right handers and give them a different look on the pitch.
Speaker 5: It's it is classified as a sinker. So if it
Speaker 5: is a sinker, then you can work on the outside
Speaker 5: part of the plate and I could have some life.
Speaker 2: It could be a difficult pitch.
Speaker 5: For a right handedator if they're looking inside all the time,
Speaker 5: but he hasn't shown the ability to do that.
Speaker 2: So you're right about the.
Speaker 5: Confidence stuff with Alvarado, And right now he's going through
Speaker 5: some personal stuff with the Venezuelan stuff that's going on.
Speaker 5: It's really affected him. He's a pretty sensitive guy. These
Speaker 5: are human beings. We talked about it with Boem. We're
Speaker 5: going through that, you know, stuff that he was going through.
Speaker 5: He's sort of seemingly gotten through that stuff and now
Speaker 5: I think it's the weight is off of him a little.
Speaker 2: Bit and he's starting to play the way he can play.
Speaker 5: So hopefully Alvarado gets to that point as well, because man,
Speaker 5: they need him and I right now, me personally, as
Speaker 5: much as I like this guy and as good as an
Speaker 5: army has, it's hard for us for me if I
Speaker 5: was in the GM seat right now to hang my
Speaker 5: hat on. Okay, this is gonna be my leverage guy,
Speaker 5: and let's be okay with him.
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Speaker 3: what were you saying.
Speaker 4: I'm just agreeing with Reuben that it's really leverage reliever,
Speaker 4: late game reliever, shut down seven slash eighth inning guys
Speaker 4: really emerging with a month ago before the deadline is
Speaker 4: looking like a priority.
Speaker 3: This, I mean, it really is going to be an
Speaker 3: interesting trade deadline with the prospect capital that they have,
Speaker 3: the different things you could make an argument for. We
Speaker 3: actually did a fan pull on our ex account and
Speaker 3: this is a few days old, but and this will
Speaker 3: this is I think from like literally like late last week.
Speaker 3: But fans fifty seven percent still want that right handed bat.
Speaker 3: I think that is shock and bad memories of the
Speaker 3: past few postseason scots of that offense. But the bullpen
Speaker 3: right there twenty two point seven percent, and you have
Speaker 3: the back end starter eighteen point five percent. But it's
Speaker 3: really going to be interesting to.
Speaker 2: The right handed bads. Trey Turner, folks, that's it.
Speaker 5: He's the guy that's the right handed bat, and he
Speaker 5: and Boem are the right handed bats that need to
Speaker 5: come through. Particularly Turner needs to be who he is,
Speaker 5: which he has been the last two weeks. He's turned
Speaker 5: the corner. He's doing the things that you know you
Speaker 5: would expect him to do. He's ops in the last
Speaker 5: two weeks is right around what nine, some crazy number.
Speaker 5: He's starting to do some damage. So that's the guy.
Speaker 5: Boma's driving in runs, Boma's picking up some homers. He's
Speaker 5: doing what he needs to do. They need some pitching
Speaker 5: that can stop a game in the rotation and in
Speaker 5: the path.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, you mentioned Todd that poll and how people talk
Speaker 4: about needing a right handed bat and having memories of
Speaker 4: October's past. Bullpen was just as culpable in the last
Speaker 4: two postseasons. They've played eight games in the last two
Speaker 4: postseasons and they have a e RA. The bullpen has
Speaker 4: an ERA over six and a half with five blown
Speaker 4: saves and the last two Octobers just eight games, So
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of a lot of problems. You know,
Speaker 4: you're blown saves in short series in game one and
Speaker 4: those change series with a bullpen that protects leads. The
Speaker 4: last two octobers might have a much different feel, and
Speaker 4: definitely twenty three nlcs might have a much different feel.
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Speaker 3: So this is kind of an interesting monster moment because
Speaker 3: there was a kind of a monster moment. In the
Speaker 3: fifth inning on Wednesday night, Zach Wheeler has a six
Speaker 3: run lead. He retires the first two batters he faced,
Speaker 3: and then he gives up a bloop single to right field.
Speaker 3: He gives up a single to center field that hit
Speaker 3: off the top of the mountain shot over in the
Speaker 3: center field, and then he gives up a broken bat
Speaker 3: single to center field to score run. Phillies are leading
Speaker 3: what eight to three at the time, He's got one
Speaker 3: hundred and four pitches. He needs one out to get
Speaker 3: that wind improved a nine to one. Don Manningly comes
Speaker 3: out pulls him from the game. Zach was not happy.
Speaker 3: He was pleased, he was pleased, He was not pleased
Speaker 3: at all. He was very upset, jim I mean, we've
Speaker 3: interviewed Zach many times over the years. That was as
Speaker 3: upset as I see him. And Zach can be a
Speaker 3: little surly at times. You know, he's not afraid to
Speaker 3: show his emotions or hide his emotions.
Speaker 2: What do you think you had the mic in front
Speaker 2: of him, Jimmy, what do you think.
Speaker 4: Well, he was short to the point and quite transparent.
Speaker 4: He was upset about being taken out of that game.
Speaker 4: I wanted to finish the fifth inning. Quote thought he
Speaker 4: had earned it. I see both sides of the story, guys.
Speaker 4: I think you know he does earn that, But I
Speaker 4: also think Manningly is the caretaker of that roster when
Speaker 4: it's on the field, and that pitching staff when it's
Speaker 4: on the field, and they're very very thin in starting pitching,
Speaker 4: very good but very thin, and they need this guy
Speaker 4: for the long haul. He had three outs there to
Speaker 4: get out of that inning, it didn't happen. I know
Speaker 4: one was a broken bat, one was a bloop, but
Speaker 4: that would have been a good time for some swing
Speaker 4: and miss. So I don't disagree with Zach being upset,
Speaker 4: and I don't disagree with Mattingley getting him out of
Speaker 4: there at one hundred and four As Mattingly said, what
Speaker 4: if he has a ten pitch at bat there now
Speaker 4: he's at one hundred and fourteen. It was just, you know,
Speaker 4: an understandable situation on both sides, and Don talked about
Speaker 4: it on Thursday. He was quite open about it. He says,
Speaker 4: I don't want a guy who wants to come out
Speaker 4: of the game. None of the great ones wanted to
Speaker 4: come out of the game. But I got an obligation
Speaker 4: to this team and for the long haul because of
Speaker 4: where we're trying to get and how important this guy is.
Speaker 4: And I thought that was the right decision. And I
Speaker 4: want a manager who has the conference to do what
Speaker 4: he thinks is the right decision and not back down
Speaker 4: from it. So I'm sure they'll talk, they'll they'll work
Speaker 4: it out and it'll be it'll be in the past,
Speaker 4: this too shell pass as they say, you think.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like like many things in the moment, I totally
Speaker 5: disagreed with Don Mattingly's decision to take him out of
Speaker 5: the game.
Speaker 2: I believe that his stuff was still there. It likened
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 5: I know, it wasn't nearly as important in a game
Speaker 5: when Topper took Wheeler out in that one game against Houston,
Speaker 5: after the blooper by your Donnie, uh, after your Donnie,
Speaker 5: who was it that got the base hit in Houston
Speaker 5: up the middle? It is like a broken bat, broken
Speaker 5: back base hit by the best left end hitter in
Speaker 5: the game. Oh, Don Alvin Man, Jordon alf You're you're
Speaker 5: Don Alvarez. And then he pulled him out of the game,
Speaker 5: and then all help blow broke loose, and I was
Speaker 5: I didn't agree with, disagree with a whole lot of
Speaker 5: things that Topper did.
Speaker 2: That was one of them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, in this case, I still think that he had
Speaker 5: really good stuff, and I think, I know there's a
Speaker 5: lot of pitches. I know was averaging twenty pitches per
Speaker 5: because he had gotten ten strikeouts in one walk, and
Speaker 5: that's a lot of you know, a lot of pitches
Speaker 5: and a lot of a lot of traffic during the
Speaker 5: course of that time. But it's Zach Wheeler, and I
Speaker 5: trust Zach Wheeler over Kyle Backus to get out of
Speaker 5: that inning. And that's exactly what he was thinking. I
Speaker 5: guarantee it. And if I'm going to give the baseball
Speaker 5: to somebody, I want to give it to myself if
Speaker 5: I am If I am Zach Wheeler, and so had
Speaker 5: I been the manager, that would have been the move
Speaker 5: I would have made.
Speaker 2: Would have been right or wrong, I don't know, but
Speaker 2: that's the move that I would have.
Speaker 5: Made just because of who I think Zach Wheeler is
Speaker 5: and how important he is, not just short term but
Speaker 5: long term as well.
Speaker 2: And I just think that he's just I agree with Jimmy.
Speaker 5: I mean, the job of the manager is to make
Speaker 5: sure this team is intact, because if you start losing
Speaker 5: guys like Zach Wheeler on his ball club, you're screwed.
Speaker 3: Well, here's here's what Here's what Don Manningly said on
Speaker 3: Thursday morning. His explanation was, you know, he's at one
Speaker 3: hundred and four in that inning, Like you said, Jim
Speaker 3: ten pitch at Bett, he's up to one fourteen. This
Speaker 3: is a long term kind of situation, and this is
Speaker 3: this is I mean, this is so true, he says,
Speaker 3: I think you guys know our rotation is obviously a
Speaker 3: groat rotation, but the depth of it is not just
Speaker 3: filled with four Paul Skins down in the minor leagues
Speaker 3: ready to pop in and fill the spot. My job
Speaker 3: is to make sure that these guys stay available through
Speaker 3: the course of the season. We've got a long way
Speaker 3: to go, so I don't really mind guys being upset.
Speaker 3: That's what the great ones do. But I still have
Speaker 3: to make decisions for the whole club. I mean, he's
Speaker 3: I mean, he's right. I mean nobody can now.
Speaker 5: No, No, he tossed Dombrowski under the bus a little well,
Speaker 5: I mean well, I mean here's a shot out there there.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean he's one hundred percent right now. In fairness,
Speaker 3: there's nobody in any farm system that could replace Zach Wheeler.
Speaker 3: But this is not a There is not a farm
Speaker 3: This is not a farm system that has an obvious choice.
Speaker 3: I mean, when they sent Andrew Painter down, it was
Speaker 3: kind of a tough decision.
Speaker 1: You're going, it's all.
Speaker 3: In ron hell or nobody, And you know, so they
Speaker 3: they don't have a they don't have Mick abel in
Speaker 3: a in a couple other guys like that in the
Speaker 3: farm system right now that can step up and replace
Speaker 3: Zach Wheeler if he gets heard. If you lose Zach Wheeler,
Speaker 3: you're screwed.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no doubt. Did Jim freeze up on us?
Speaker 2: We lost Him's gone Jim. He lost Jim.
Speaker 4: Jim lost.
Speaker 3: But I think so, Ruben, how would you? I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, here's the other thing that I kind of
Speaker 3: jumped out to me today with Don Manningley is I
Speaker 3: think just the fact that he was with the Yankees
Speaker 3: for all those years, he did not seem rattled by
Speaker 3: this at all.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 5: No, No, he's been in, he's been he's been in LA,
Speaker 5: he's been in he's been in New York for years.
Speaker 2: This stuff doesn't FaZe Don manning Lys. Yeah, so what
Speaker 2: the guy was pissed off? Who cares? Yeah, what's got
Speaker 2: to be done? And I'm actually glad that he's pissed off.
Speaker 2: I want him to have the ball. I think he
Speaker 2: handled it pristinely.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, that was so they'll chat. At some point
Speaker 3: they had not chatted as a Thursday morning. Maybe they
Speaker 3: chatted after they talked.
Speaker 2: Maybe on the flight, maybe on the flight to Casey.
Speaker 3: Maybe on the flight at some point in Kansas City.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they all have after a beverage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, after a beverage, have a nice friendly chat and
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Speaker 4: I apologize. I seem to be having a little internet trouble.
Speaker 4: I'm still in the press box. I don't know if
Speaker 4: you can hear me.
Speaker 2: No, you're good we got You're a hardworking man, Jim,
Speaker 2: even on the off day.
Speaker 4: But my internet is a little fuzz Why but this
Speaker 4: might be our This is our last podcast before Saturday
Speaker 4: when the old our teams will be announced, right, Todd,
Speaker 4: And there's a little intrigue. I mean, Brandon marsh deserves
Speaker 4: to be there. He's gonna be there. Very curious to
Speaker 4: see if Bryce Harper, who has driven in runs in
Speaker 4: eight straight games and now leads the team in RBI,
Speaker 4: is very curious to see if he's in that game.
Speaker 4: I suspect he will be, given that this is his
Speaker 4: playground and he's having a very good season, tied for
Speaker 4: tenth in baseball and OPS. But we'll find out Saturday,
Speaker 4: and with that, we're gonna find out in the days
Speaker 4: maybe after that, if he's going to be in the
Speaker 4: Home Run Derby. I think that would be fascinating stage
Speaker 4: for him to be on the in the Home Run Derby,
Speaker 4: going head to head against in some way or battling
Speaker 4: with Kyle Schwarber like they did in twenty eighteen. What
Speaker 4: do you guys think?
Speaker 3: I would love to see Schwerber and Harper both say
Speaker 3: yes to the Home Run Derby. I believe that both
Speaker 3: of those guys will make it on the roster. You
Speaker 3: know that you got Freddy Freemant Metals. It's not great
Speaker 3: their first basement the Nashley. But I don't see how
Speaker 3: they cannot have Harper on that all star roster. Like
Speaker 3: you said, tenthon ops twenty home runs and he just
Speaker 3: get him in the home run derby. That will be
Speaker 3: a fun night Monday, that Monday night, says to the
Speaker 3: bank Park.
Speaker 2: Baby, Hey, I got a quick I got a quick
Speaker 2: comment about this. This is sort of intriguing.
Speaker 5: Does the commissioner Can the commissioner choose special players and
Speaker 5: he did with Meserowski last year? Is he have the
Speaker 5: ability to like just say, hey, wave his magic wand
Speaker 5: and say this guy's going to.
Speaker 2: Be in the in Well, yeah, so here's here's how
Speaker 2: I think it's going to all roll out. Hear me
Speaker 2: out here.
Speaker 5: Boys, You remember there was a little bit of a
Speaker 5: tiff riff whatever you want to call it between Bryce
Speaker 5: Harper and the commissioner and or was it maybe Mark
Speaker 5: de Rosso or something like that, right?
Speaker 2: It was what last year when.
Speaker 5: They started talking about the salary cap and Bryce Harper
Speaker 5: took kind of an exception to it. Well, here's what
Speaker 5: I he is a really really good way to sort
Speaker 5: of send out the olive branch. Bryce Harper doesn't get chosen,
Speaker 5: isn't picked, but the commissioner picks him on the team
Speaker 5: because he deserves it, because he's a showman, and that
Speaker 5: helps develop maybe a little relationship between the commissioner and
Speaker 5: Bryce Harper.
Speaker 4: Just interesting. But I think Bryce Harper is having a
Speaker 4: good enough season where he doesn't need to have a
Speaker 4: bone tossed his way. He should be in the front.
Speaker 2: No, he doesn't. But there's a lot of first basemen
Speaker 2: who do deserve it over him. There's two third first
Speaker 2: basemen who deserve it over him, are there not? Boy,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean you could say, I mean Harper's tenth in
Speaker 3: Major League Baseball and ops, I mean Freddy Freeman is
Speaker 3: obviously Freddy.
Speaker 5: Or Freeman and Olsen are not are not ahead of
Speaker 5: him as far as the statistical analysis of the game that's.
Speaker 3: Concerned, right, I guess maybe if you look at war
Speaker 3: and I have to check that out because that's the
Speaker 3: encompassing number. But man, Harper's has a fantastic season. Fantastic
Speaker 3: I had a great season.
Speaker 2: And he does deserve to be on the All Star Team.
Speaker 5: I don't think there's any question, but I just feel
Speaker 5: like there's a good way for Baseball to bring it
Speaker 5: together MLB and MLBPA.
Speaker 3: He's got to be on there some way, shape or form.
Speaker 3: With Schwarber, like you said, Jim marsh is going to
Speaker 3: be on there. I wonder how many Phillies pitchers are
Speaker 3: going to be on there. Sanchez to me is a lock.
Speaker 3: Zach wheelersneak on. Does Juan Duran make it? Johan Deron's
Speaker 3: gotta make it. He's one of the best relievers.
Speaker 2: Of those three guys have to make the All Star team.
Speaker 2: There is no question in my mind.
Speaker 4: Wheels pitches Sunday, lines up to pitch Sunday, so that
Speaker 4: might knock him right.
Speaker 3: Oh, if he pitches Sunday, it might knock him off.
Speaker 5: If he does pitch Sunday, it will definitely knock him off.
Speaker 5: And then that that makes the decision to bring Harper
Speaker 5: on a lot easier.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, he would get he would be named
Speaker 4: to the team, get their all handshake, but you know
Speaker 4: somebody else would be h I think I looked it up.
Speaker 4: I think he's supposed to pitch on Sunday. He pitched Wednesday.
Speaker 3: I think you're right, because.
Speaker 5: He's pitching on He's pitching on Tuesday, Tuesday, and Sunday.
Speaker 3: Right right, right right, because Sanchez is pitching Saturday, So
Speaker 3: that would make him eligible to start the game potentially.
Speaker 3: Do you give him the start over the Miz.
Speaker 2: I do, and it'll be ridiculous to be doing. And
Speaker 2: I think Dave Roberts is smart enough to do that.
Speaker 2: I really do.
Speaker 5: Mis got got on the team last year. He's gonna
Speaker 5: have many, many opportunities to do it. It's his Philadelphia's team.
Speaker 5: This kid has pitched unbelievably. He's got a zero point
Speaker 5: eight five ERA at home. He deserves to be the
Speaker 5: starting pitcher in the All Star Game. In my opinion,
Speaker 5: it just makes sense.
Speaker 3: I agree. And he did something historic this season, the
Speaker 3: fifth longest score twice freak in baseball history, fifty and
Speaker 3: two thirds innings. I mean, he did something that nobody
Speaker 3: has done for a very long time. And so I
Speaker 3: think for that reason you can make a st CA's
Speaker 3: just on that alone, you could say he could do it.
Speaker 3: But his numbers overall numbers are absolutely fantastic. So the
Speaker 3: Phillies open up a three game series. They're off on Friday.
Speaker 3: They open a three games right, Yeah, they're off on Friday.
Speaker 3: They're off on Friday, opening rap around, wrap around the
Speaker 3: old wrap around Saturday at eight ten as Usizzato. Saturday
Speaker 3: Sunday at three o'clock Eastern is Aaron Nola, and then
Speaker 3: one ten on Monday is Christopher Sanchez. Should be fun.
Speaker 3: Fourth of July.
Speaker 4: Now, nine game trip against two last place teams and
Speaker 4: another team that's struggling. These three teams are thirty five
Speaker 4: games under five hundred entering Thursday. The Phillies need to
Speaker 4: chow down a little bit on this favorable portion of
Speaker 4: the schedule before the All Star break.
Speaker 5: And they played very well on the road in general.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think they're what ten or twelve games
Speaker 5: over five hundred on the road, is that right? I
Speaker 5: think they're at least eight games over five and I
Speaker 5: don't know the exact numbers, but they played very well
Speaker 5: on the road, and.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not easy, it's what is it.
Speaker 4: On the road, they're twenty four and eighteen.
Speaker 3: Well there you go, so six games over still good.
Speaker 5: Which is pretty damn good still, And I mean I
Speaker 5: exaggerated a little bit, but they need to play.
Speaker 2: Well on the road. It's not easy, it's going to
Speaker 2: be hot, it's in the middle of it.
Speaker 5: I mean, if the dog days are coming, and I
Speaker 5: think they're starting to they're starting to feel a little
Speaker 5: bit because they need that All Star break right now.
Speaker 5: So it'll be interesting to see what happens in these
Speaker 5: nine games. Hopefully that they can come out at least
Speaker 5: five and four.
Speaker 3: Jim, you mentioned showing down well, Rubin. Jimmy Rownds was
Speaker 3: at the ballpark today and I caught Jimmy and Jim,
Speaker 3: Jimmy and Jimmy chatting and do you know what the
Speaker 3: first question that Jimmy Rowlands asked Jim Soulsberry about, how
Speaker 3: is you?
Speaker 6: Say?
Speaker 3: How are your tomatoes growing? Jim? And so this we
Speaker 3: haven't done this in a while, so let's do it
Speaker 3: gardening and grilling with Jim.
Speaker 4: Jim.
Speaker 3: Jimmy Rowlins wants to know how your tomatoes are growing?
Speaker 4: And are your tomatoes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, how are you? How are the tomatoes growing?
Speaker 4: Jim?
Speaker 3: And And when Jimmy Rownds comes back into town for
Speaker 3: their Alstar break, is there any shot that you could
Speaker 3: give him some mimetos or is it gonna be more
Speaker 3: for the Chase Outley Wall of Fame induction that you
Speaker 3: might be able to bring a little sack.
Speaker 4: Of Yeah, I think closer to Alumni weekend. So they're really,
Speaker 4: you know, everything's a little stressed right now with this weather.
Speaker 4: I mean, they love sunshine. They don't love phoenix, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. This has been Phoenix the last
Speaker 4: few days. I mean, how many how many times you
Speaker 4: get set to go to Kansas City to cool off,
Speaker 4: and that's what's gonna happen. But yeah, I'll probably I'll
Speaker 4: bring them a nice tomato sandwich in August. But I
Speaker 4: had a little bit of I'm a little troubled by something.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think some of the plants that I
Speaker 4: bought might have been mismarked. I like a nice, big
Speaker 4: round slicer, and some of my tomatoes look, I look
Speaker 4: like I have a lot of cherries, which you're fine.
Speaker 4: I like cherries, but I'd rather have a lot of
Speaker 4: big slicers, so I'll have plenty of them. But something
Speaker 4: I have to deal with, you know, it's a personal issue.
Speaker 2: It's a game of the game of adjustments.
Speaker 4: I have to adjust. We met around each other way
Speaker 4: too much. This heat is just burning up my Cilantro
Speaker 4: and I do love the clan. That hurts me.
Speaker 2: I love to Lantro.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you walk by it, it's like walking into a
Speaker 4: Mexican restaurant. So nice.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Jay, Ruben jim was telling Jimmy. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: come on over, I'll make you a belt.
Speaker 4: It'll be great.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was good stuff.
Speaker 3: But uh hey, h Philly Show will be back next week.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned, though, don't go anywhere. Ruben's gonna hop off.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have NBC Sports Philadelphia's Rob Kessner jump in
Speaker 3: and talk about some of the All Star stuff they
Speaker 3: got going on. Cool shows going on at NBC Sports Philly,
Speaker 3: lean up to the All Star Game.
Speaker 2: Happy fourth of July, Happy Twndred and fiftieth. That's right, States,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 5: Happy birthday, Sofia, that's right, Sophia, she'll be twenty.
Speaker 2: Wow, she's gonna be twenty five.
Speaker 4: James, you're old. You're old, all right, Well, have a
Speaker 4: nice night, have a nice night, birthday dinner with your daughter.
Speaker 4: Happy birthday to Sophia before Ruben will smell you later
Speaker 4: and we'll be right back Todd one. Alrighty, we're back
Speaker 4: now here on the Phillies Show, joined by our good
Speaker 4: friend Rob Kestner of NBC ten, and we got the
Speaker 4: All Star Game coming up here, and it's a lot
Speaker 4: it's baseball, but it's a lot more than baseball. Rob
Speaker 4: is producing a series for NBC ten, Coca or NBC
Speaker 4: Sports Philadelphia, et cetera. It's going to repair out a
Speaker 4: bunch of platforms. It's called Calling All Stars. It starts
Speaker 4: on Friday, it starts on Monday Night, right Rob, Monday Night, Monday.
Speaker 1: Morning, Monday Morning, Monday Night a NBC ten. But thank you, Jimmy.
Speaker 1: What a setup.
Speaker 4: My god, I know, I know it's a labor of
Speaker 4: love for you. And it's going to start off with
Speaker 4: a look back at two thousand and six Ryan Howard's
Speaker 4: home run Derby Championship. I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 4: Tell us a little bit about the making of it,
Speaker 4: what we're gonna see, and what the what the fans
Speaker 4: are going to see?
Speaker 1: All right, first of all, thank you for the setup.
Speaker 1: And I just want you to both know I have
Speaker 1: a lot of flow right now being on the show.
Speaker 1: And if you think I'm making that, I have so
Speaker 1: much flow being on the show, Like, did you trade
Speaker 1: Ruben for me? Because that's a bad deal. Just so
Speaker 1: you know, I would have kept Ruben, you know the option,
Speaker 1: the optioned Rubin. Well maybe after that Ranger offer that
Speaker 1: he had the other day, you know, you just get
Speaker 1: rid of him Ranger for Painter. Now I'm kidding, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: thank you for that. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: It is great to be with you.
Speaker 1: I love, love, love the show. So this is a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. So yeah, on Monday, Uh, it's going
Speaker 1: to start our series calling All Stars.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: It's five part series, one every day.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The goal of it when we started was kind of, look,
Speaker 1: you guys know this because you've covered a lot of
Speaker 1: All Star games, but an awful lot of people in
Speaker 1: phill it Op you don't realize how big the All
Speaker 1: Star Week, not just the game, not just the Derby,
Speaker 1: but the week has become. So the idea was to
Speaker 1: kind of show shine a light on that, show people
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff got to be fair. I
Speaker 1: wanted to get things started with the home run derby
Speaker 1: from twenty years ago, a because Ryan tells some awesome
Speaker 1: stories about it and I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: were both there, but I will always had a front
Speaker 1: row seat for it. It was spectacular but one of
Speaker 1: the coolest parts in it. When we talked to him,
Speaker 1: or when I talked to him, I said, look, I said,
Speaker 1: people may not realize, but two things happen when you
Speaker 1: won that Derby. One you want a house for somebody.
Speaker 1: That thing was sponsored by Century twenty one. And then
Speaker 1: the second thing his last home run when he beat
Speaker 1: David Wright in the home run, you know, the little
Speaker 1: finale they had it hit a sign that said win
Speaker 1: five hundred flights. So I asked him, I said, hey,
Speaker 1: did you get any flights or b have you been
Speaker 1: to the house And he said no, I didn't get either.
Speaker 1: It's terrible and it was my rookie year, so I
Speaker 1: could have used the flights. Yeah, it's fun, but uh,
Speaker 1: you know, after that, we have stuff, you know on
Speaker 1: the Jenny Finch Celebrity or the Jenny Finch All Star Game,
Speaker 1: which if people don't know, that's an it's an amazing
Speaker 1: event that's gonna be down an FDR Park. It starts
Speaker 1: the Friday of All Star weeks, so next Friday things
Speaker 1: get started and that's some of the best softball players
Speaker 1: and also in the Commissioners Cup, baseball players from all
Speaker 1: around the country. Uh, we're gonna have the HBCU Swingman Classic,
Speaker 1: which Jimmy Rowins is managing. We've got local players playing
Speaker 1: in an a Philly guy, and we're kind of showcasing
Speaker 1: the Philly connections with Dave Simms calling the game and
Speaker 1: Milt Thompson on the on the staff for Jimmy Rowins.
Speaker 1: So a lot of Philly connections for that. And then
Speaker 1: the other part is the MLB Draft. You know, that's
Speaker 1: a relatively new ad to All Star Week. So that's
Speaker 1: coming to Philadelphia, and our region features one of the
Speaker 1: top players in this year's draft, Cameron Fluchi, a pitcher
Speaker 1: from Coastal Carolina, who I know both of you guys
Speaker 1: are big college baseball fans. It's in the College World
Speaker 1: Series last year against LSU. So some really fun stories,
Speaker 1: some really cool stories surrounding the All Star Week.
Speaker 4: So Rob hearing about Ryan Howard in the six home
Speaker 4: run derby I was there, was very exciting. I think
Speaker 4: he hit six splashdown balls into the Allegheny and his
Speaker 4: young son Darien was with him, you know, during the
Speaker 4: whole event. On the field. And now Darien is a big,
Speaker 4: big guy and he works for the Phillies and on
Speaker 4: his screen faver on his phone is a picture of
Speaker 4: him and his dad from that night in Pittsburgh. So
Speaker 4: it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every time you're not sure how old you are,
Speaker 1: you get to see something like that, You're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm one hundred years old and believe it.
Speaker 4: And you mentioned the draft local kid fluky, but you know,
Speaker 4: a few years ago the local kid was Kevin McGonagall,
Speaker 4: and he is now the Detroit Tiger's best player. I
Speaker 4: gotta think he's got a shot to be here. We're
Speaker 4: gonna find out a little bit more on I guess
Speaker 4: on Saturday whether he's gonna be in the All Star
Speaker 4: Game right up the street from where he grew up.
Speaker 4: I know you're close to him, You're close to the family.
Speaker 4: You've done a ton of great stories on on Kevin McGonagall.
Speaker 4: What do you think of his chances? And tell us
Speaker 4: what you might have planned if he's here.
Speaker 1: So I think he's getting in a much like you.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's getting in. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: look at it, he's number one in Major League Baseball
Speaker 1: among shortstops and on base percentage. He's among the leaders
Speaker 1: in hits, he's among the leaders in batting average. You know,
Speaker 1: war if you believe in that, it's he's second among
Speaker 1: all shortstops and all of baseball. So there's both the
Speaker 1: analytics stats and the old timer stats that all just
Speaker 1: kind of play in his favor. And you know, I'm
Speaker 1: somebody that just believes if you can walk more than
Speaker 1: you strike out in today's day and age as a
Speaker 1: leadoff hitter, you're really doing something right. I mean, at
Speaker 1: this point, it's just him and Juan Soto and it's
Speaker 1: pretty heady company. So I do think he's getting in
Speaker 1: as it relates to his involvement in the series. So
Speaker 1: I went back to Dermant Field, the little league field
Speaker 1: that he grew up playing on in Delaware County, shot
Speaker 1: with his dad and two of his former coaches and
Speaker 1: just kind of told stories about what it was like.
Speaker 1: So I'll give you a couple that I really like.
Speaker 1: So his dad, he said, you know, I really knew
Speaker 1: he was special. I'm sitting there trying to watch a
Speaker 1: Phillies game, and this four year old's just pestering me
Speaker 1: with this little plastic bat He's like, Dad just throwing
Speaker 1: me balls, throw me balls. So I'd be sitting there
Speaker 1: and trying to like poke my head around, watch the
Speaker 1: TV and watch the Phillies. Meanwhile, my son's just you know,
Speaker 1: ripping laser with this plastic batam thrown on the ball,
Speaker 1: and the kid just didn't miss no matter what I throw.
Speaker 1: This might be something for real, you know. And what's
Speaker 1: funny is when I first really had a chance to
Speaker 1: meet Kevin, he was a junior at Bonniprendi and so
Speaker 1: we shot leading into I should say leading into his
Speaker 1: senior year, when it was pretty clear he was going
Speaker 1: to be a top pick and all scouts and eyes
Speaker 1: were on him. And he had actually played in the
Speaker 1: All Star Game the prior summer. Leading into his senior
Speaker 1: year in Los Angeles at Dodger Stadium, they had a
Speaker 1: high school All Star game and I watched that game.
Speaker 1: He ripped a laser to left off a kid from
Speaker 1: Texas throwing ninety nine. And I'm like, nobody in the
Speaker 1: Catholic League is throwing ninety nine, and this kid's turning
Speaker 1: on that. He's pretty good. But when we did the interview,
Speaker 1: his dad had told me, said, you know, he fashioned
Speaker 1: his entire swing short, compact, direct to the ball, and
Speaker 1: approach to the game, run off the field, run off
Speaker 1: the field, like Chase Sutley. So I reached out to
Speaker 1: your good friend of mine, Greg Castrioto. He made a
Speaker 1: phone call and we got a little video for Kevin
Speaker 1: that we surprised him with when we did the interview,
Speaker 1: because we knew by that point he was going to
Speaker 1: be a pretty high draft pick. And he was just
Speaker 1: blown away, like, how did you guys get this? You know,
Speaker 1: and Chase was so good with him, so it was
Speaker 1: really really cool, and it's been it's been fun. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I had a chance. I figured because the
Speaker 1: Tigers weren't coming to Philadelphia that a lot of Delaware
Speaker 1: County might make the trip to Baltimore. So I called
Speaker 1: his mom and I said, you know, hey, Trace, how
Speaker 1: many people are coming? And I said, you know, you're
Speaker 1: bringing friends, family. She goes, are you kidding me? I've
Speaker 1: had to do tickets for one hundred and sixty people
Speaker 1: And that was a month before the actual game. By
Speaker 1: the time it was over, close to three hundred people
Speaker 1: had made their way from Delaware County down to Baltimore
Speaker 1: to watch him play enough. The day we went, the
Speaker 1: game got washed, it got rained out, which enabled Kevin
Speaker 1: to come over to Pickles Pub the bar across the
Speaker 1: street and hang out side some autographs and I have
Speaker 1: a really good time. So it'll be exciting. But either way,
Speaker 1: I mean, the Phillies play the Tigers for that first
Speaker 1: game on Friday, so we will have a story on
Speaker 1: Kevin one way or the other, whether he's an All
Speaker 1: Star or he's just playing his first ever game against
Speaker 1: the Phillies in the regular season next Friday. So it'll
Speaker 1: be cool.
Speaker 3: You know, It's funny, Rob, I live in Delco, and
Speaker 3: it's like just my kids are in the Little League
Speaker 3: and just running into people's He's kind of getting that
Speaker 3: reputation of everybody has like a a Kevin mcgonagall's story,
Speaker 3: Like my friend's cousins, you know, babysitter used to grew
Speaker 3: up next to Kevin McGonagall, or I know a guy
Speaker 3: who played Little League with Kevin McGonagall, or Kevin McGonagall
Speaker 3: used to come into place all the time and get
Speaker 3: his ogi's or you know all that stuff. It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: And even at Little League this year, I've seen I
Speaker 3: saw obviously you ninety five percent of everything I see
Speaker 3: are is Philly's gear. But I did see a couple
Speaker 3: Kevin McGonagall suerseys this year at little league.
Speaker 1: Telling you they're all over the place. They really are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's funny you talk about those stories. Like his
Speaker 1: sister is a dance instructor, and so they were having
Speaker 1: one of the recitals that you would have and the
Speaker 1: teacher stopped, the woman that ran the whole thing stopped
Speaker 1: the entire ceremony. This was like three weeks ago. While
Speaker 1: they're the voting was still going on, and just said,
Speaker 1: we're not sure if you know, but Carrie's brother is
Speaker 1: Kevin McGonagall, and he plays baseball and he's got a
Speaker 1: chance to make the Major League All Star team. So
Speaker 1: you need right now to go and vote.
Speaker 2: So they had like a.
Speaker 1: Thousand people at a local recital and they stopped the
Speaker 1: recital to try and get people to vote for Kevin.
Speaker 1: Which is it just speaks to this area and the
Speaker 1: way people are and how much we love sports, and
Speaker 1: it's cool. It's really, it's really fun.
Speaker 4: It's a huge bug here.
Speaker 5: Rob.
Speaker 4: I congratulations on the series. I know how much you
Speaker 4: love the game. So I know it's a labor of
Speaker 4: love and I can't wait to watch it. Just give
Speaker 4: us the quick, quick, quick, the schedule again?
Speaker 1: You got it?
Speaker 4: When everything's gonna roll, go ahead, all right.
Speaker 1: So Monday through Friday, all leading into All Star Weeks.
Speaker 1: So July sixth through the tenth, every morning on NBC
Speaker 1: Sports Philadelphia. Their show is Sports at Central, so that
Speaker 1: starts seven and then on NBC ten every day in
Speaker 1: our four o'clock news. So we'll run it plenty and
Speaker 1: obviously post it on social media as soon as everything
Speaker 1: airs on TV.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, man, I'm looking forward to it. It would
Speaker 3: be great, a great way to kick it off with
Speaker 3: the Ryan Howard home run derby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait. It's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys.
Speaker 1: And look before I go, I just gotta say smell
Speaker 1: you letter Jimmy. I always wanted to say it. I
Speaker 1: know I don't want to steal anybody's thunder, but I
Speaker 1: just needed to get that out there.
Speaker 3: So I'll appreciate you know what, Rob, we appreciate it
Speaker 3: coming on. So give jim one more smelly later. We'll we'll, we'll,
Speaker 3: we'll wrap up the show all right, Jimmy and Todd,
Speaker 3: Smell you later.
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