Braves Top Angels For Series Win, Brawl Suspensions, And More

In Episode 359 of the Hammer Territory Podcast, Brad Rowland and Stephen Tolbert break down a series victory for the Atlanta Braves in Arizona. Topics include a solid performance from Grant Holmes, suspensions from Tuesday's brawl, steps forward from Ronald Acuña Jr. and Austin Riley, and much more.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Hammer Territory podcast.

Speaker 1: This is episode three five nine. My name is Brad

Speaker 1: Rowland and I'm joined on a Wednesday evening Deepen in

Speaker 1: the Night by my good friend Stevens Tolbert Steven. What's

Speaker 1: going on, Bradley?

Speaker 2: What's up, buddy? It's been a minute since you and

Speaker 2: I have done one of these. You have been the

Speaker 2: world traveler here lately. Obviously a final four for the Ages.

Speaker 2: For the Michigan fans like yourself, I'm sure that was

Speaker 2: I know you're there covering it as media, but even

Speaker 2: I'm you know, as a fan, I'm sure it was

Speaker 2: pretty freaking incredible to watch your team win a national championship.

Speaker 2: But it is good to have you home talking a

Speaker 2: little Braves. A lot's happened. It has been a crazy

Speaker 2: couple of days and country while you've been off on

Speaker 2: your travels.

Speaker 1: It has and obviously a successful series. Scott and I

Speaker 1: on Sunday were kind of making fun of the notion

Speaker 1: of never losing a series versus winning the series because

Speaker 1: they didn't win the last one, but they had not

Speaker 1: lost the series yet and they won this one with

Speaker 1: back to back victories over the Angels. I did become

Speaker 1: a listener to the show today. Steven and Scott anybody

Speaker 1: missed it went deep into the night on Tuesday into

Speaker 1: Wednesday to record an episode that was I don't know

Speaker 1: if that was the new record, but it was in

Speaker 1: probably the top five to ten latest episodes ever recorded.

Speaker 1: So shout out to you guys. That was a fun one.

Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. I think we started recording at like

Speaker 2: twelve thirty Eastern, I don't remember. Not only was it

Speaker 2: a late game obviously was on the West coast, but

Speaker 2: it was also like a three and a half hour game,

Speaker 2: which in the pitch clock era just doesn't happen anymore,

Speaker 2: and you know, the brawl in the middle was a

Speaker 2: big part of that. But yeah, it was late night,

Speaker 2: and I think Scott got it up at like two am,

Speaker 2: maybe three am in terms of like when the actual

Speaker 2: audio went up. So appreciate everybody that stayed up. I'm

Speaker 2: guessing a lot of people listened to it this morning.

Speaker 2: But it was worth it. It was a fun show,

Speaker 2: it was a fun game. And then today we got

Speaker 2: another fun one with the Braves, kind of one going away.

Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll talk about the suspension fallout, which we

Speaker 1: got word of today. But let's just go ahead and

Speaker 1: start with the game the Braves if anybody missed it,

Speaker 1: one eight to two on Wednesday afternoon on Getaway Day,

Speaker 1: the final game of this thirteen day, thirteen game gauntlet

Speaker 1: to begin the season, and honestly, it looks like it

Speaker 1: was kind of breezy. I'll raise my hand. I wasn't

Speaker 1: watching most of this live because of day job responsibilities

Speaker 1: and things, but I did get to catch up with

Speaker 1: it and got to watch a lot of great Holmes.

Speaker 1: I'll ask you what was your biggest takeaway, because you know,

Speaker 1: a two victory, it's like, all right, rocking chair game

Speaker 1: when I saw isn't necessari way that. I mean, they

Speaker 1: pulled away along the way, but it got a little

Speaker 1: dicey in the second inning in particular. That's why where

Speaker 1: I want to start. But uh, where do you want

Speaker 1: to go with breaking down what became the series win

Speaker 1: on Wednesday?

Speaker 2: Yeah, they got off to a good start. They scored

Speaker 2: a couple of runs early, Grant gave Grant Holmes a lead,

Speaker 2: Ikuna had a double. They kind of did ABC Baseball

Speaker 2: got him in. I think Olsen homer after that or

Speaker 2: maybe that was later, No, that was later. They got

Speaker 2: two runs on the board, and they got to the

Speaker 2: second inning and Grant Holmes just ran into a He

Speaker 2: gave up a leadoff homer to Solaira, which was hilarious

Speaker 2: after the events of earlier in the day and last night,

Speaker 2: and then he just started walking everybody like he had

Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the bases loaded, with nobody out,

Speaker 2: he walked. I think he walked in a run, and

Speaker 2: then somehow he got out of it. He didn't give

Speaker 2: up another run after that. I don't know how he

Speaker 2: did it. And then after that the Braves were able

Speaker 2: to get back in the lead with the Olsen home run,

Speaker 2: and then and and Homes settled in. So that second

Speaker 2: inning and especially that at bat to Mike Trout, he

Speaker 2: threw a hanging slider to Mike Trout with the bases loaded.

Speaker 2: That damn near killed me because Trout, like old Trout,

Speaker 2: doesn't miss the old Trout sends that ball to the moon.

Speaker 2: This version of Trout missed it, and it kind of

Speaker 2: the game kind of switched there and the Braves kind

Speaker 2: of took control of it.

Speaker 1: Yeah, we would never know what would have happened if

Speaker 1: it hadn't gone exactly that way. But just to back

Speaker 1: you up in second ndying Grant Holmes, who pitched well

Speaker 1: on the hole in this game, but outside of that

Speaker 1: ten minute period. He opened the ending with the solet

Speaker 1: home run which you just mentioned, but it's even funnier

Speaker 1: considering he was literally on appeal from suspension at this moment.

Speaker 1: Then it's a walk, a single, a walk and a walk,

Speaker 1: so five straight batters either homer or reach and that

Speaker 1: it's basis loaded nobody out. It's like this is a

Speaker 1: disaster scenario, like the Braves are now probably the underdogs

Speaker 1: to win this game in general, even though they were

Speaker 1: huge favoritist moments ago. And then and then it's strikeout,

Speaker 1: fly out and then the aforementioned ground by trap that

Speaker 1: he misses. So it went from like, hey, we're up

Speaker 1: to nothing and cruising to while the Braves are real

Speaker 1: underdogs now because they're basis loaded with nobody out in

Speaker 1: the tie game to escape. And then the Braves never

Speaker 1: trailed in the game because in the top of the

Speaker 1: third is when Olsen Homer's and then they taken another

Speaker 1: one on. So it really got This game really was

Speaker 1: a roller coaster within about a twenty minute period, twenty

Speaker 1: five minute period where the entire game was basically decided

Speaker 1: because the Braves took the lead, but they could have

Speaker 1: lost it and instead you're up by three. It went

Speaker 1: from it really was about it about as big of

Speaker 1: a swing as you'll get in that short period of time.

Speaker 2: Well not only that, but you know, and I know

Speaker 2: you were I know you didn't see a lot of

Speaker 2: it last night, but you know, the Braves didn't have

Speaker 2: a big chunk of their bullpen available today. Glacia's pitched

Speaker 2: two innings last night. Swore as through almost thirty pitches

Speaker 2: in his outing, there were just gonna be a lot

Speaker 2: of guys down, and obviously Ronaldo Lopez got ejected in

Speaker 2: like the fourth thing.

Speaker 1: So yeah, I would have been a lot to cover

Speaker 1: another game like that.

Speaker 2: Had a lot of innings to cover today, And if

Speaker 2: Grant Holmes gets rocked in the second inning, like if

Speaker 2: Trout hits that ball over the wall or something, you know,

Speaker 2: today could have gotten away very very quickly. So not

Speaker 2: only granted getting out of that inning was somehow the

Speaker 2: game still being tied, but then going on to being

Speaker 2: able to pitch, I wanted to pitch six seven innings

Speaker 2: today or something like that. It was just massive, and

Speaker 2: then the offense obviously made the game elementary. But yeah,

Speaker 2: the whole thing switched in that bottom of the second.

Speaker 1: Yeah, and so Grant Holmes throws six and two thirds

Speaker 1: five hits, did walk three, but struck out six two runs.

Speaker 1: Like he wasn't incredible, but he really was very solid

Speaker 1: outside of that fifteen minute span essentially, And I you know, like,

Speaker 1: like I said, I was traveling last night and did

Speaker 1: not make it to two am. But it really reminded

Speaker 1: me of to having a Sale yeah two days ago,

Speaker 1: whereas like Sale was looking fine and then he suddenly

Speaker 1: had this like blow up and Holmes had that kind

Speaker 1: of trending that and then managed to damp it down beforehand,

Speaker 1: because you're right, I mean ended up. They end up

Speaker 1: covering all innings in this game with only Holmes pieumps

Speaker 1: and Jose Suarez who probably would have had it for

Speaker 1: like four innings Suarez if if not for Holmes figuring

Speaker 1: it out. So you know, in the end, it's a

Speaker 1: it's a game in which you allow two runs to

Speaker 1: keep the Braves Era sparkling, as it has been all

Speaker 1: year long. But it was also teetering so close Margins,

Speaker 1: I mean, overall, I guess really the that was the

Speaker 1: takeaway as far as the nuts of Bolts are concerned.

Speaker 1: The offense putting up eight runs is the like more

Speaker 1: encouraging factor, in particular because every single player who appeared

Speaker 1: reached base at least once. And I don't know, but

Speaker 1: I mean Olsen had the biggest swing with the home run,

Speaker 1: but Acony and Riley both looking like a cone and

Speaker 1: rally was probably the best thing. I mean, I was

Speaker 1: never worded about Ronald. I don't think you were either,

Speaker 1: but Riley reaching base three times and having and having

Speaker 1: a double is like, oh, that's that's nice to see

Speaker 1: based on everything that we've seen so far.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, honestly, scoring eight runs the day after

Speaker 2: scoring seven runs, to me, is way more impressive than

Speaker 2: when they scored seventeen in one game.

Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then you and then you guys

Speaker 1: called your shot to say that they wouldn't they wouldn't

Speaker 1: be scoring after that, and they didn't score after that,

Speaker 1: So they.

Speaker 2: Didn't score for like four games after that, and so

Speaker 2: like backing it up, and not only backing it up,

Speaker 2: but the way they scored their runs the last two

Speaker 2: days where they're moving guys, they're hitting with the runners

Speaker 2: on base, they're getting you know, they're they've even got

Speaker 2: like productive outs. They've got like multiple sacrifice flys in

Speaker 2: the last two days, the bravest you know, in the

Speaker 2: last few years will go weeks without a sacrifice fly.

Speaker 2: So and the power was still there, you know. Obviously

Speaker 2: Olsen hit the big Homer racoon. You had a couple

Speaker 2: of doubles, like Riley had a double, like the guys

Speaker 2: looking like themselves, the big guys looking like themselves, and

Speaker 2: then just scoring runs consistently, which this team hasn't done

Speaker 2: in like three years. You know, I can probably count

Speaker 2: on one hand and other times I've scored seven runs

Speaker 2: then followed up immediately with eight. So that was, Yeah,

Speaker 2: that was good to see. And obviously the big guys

Speaker 2: getting going.

Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's eight runs against a you know, not

Speaker 1: overly impressive Angel switching staff, but I'm with you. Fifteen

Speaker 1: runs and back to back days, the Brads are now

Speaker 1: up to six to six runs at thirteen games. That's

Speaker 1: five runs a game. Like, I know, there was the

Speaker 1: one outlier in there with seventeen, but in general that's

Speaker 1: that's what you want to be doing. Five runs a

Speaker 1: game is a good clip to be at, and they're

Speaker 1: doing what they're gonna do. Look, it's funny. One more

Speaker 1: caveat about that seventeen run game, but the Brads are

Speaker 1: now in a tie with Dodgers for the run differential

Speaker 1: lead all visuy baseball, Like, eight and five is eight

Speaker 1: and five, and that's totally fine, and you haven't lost

Speaker 1: a series yet, but the underlying stuff is generally more

Speaker 1: positive when you are leading the league in runs allowed

Speaker 1: and your top five and run scored and like that

Speaker 1: combination is exactly what you want. Obviously, it's not breaking

Speaker 1: any new ground, but I've Scott and I both felt

Speaker 1: like conflicted on Sunday. I feel a little bit less

Speaker 1: conflicted at eight and five. I did six and four.

Speaker 2: Basically, well, yeah, and they you know, it's basically impossible

Speaker 2: to lose three games in a row and still have

Speaker 2: not lost a series, but the Braves kind of did

Speaker 2: it in the only way that it's physically possible, which

Speaker 2: is to lose the last two games of a four

Speaker 2: game series and then then the first game of a

Speaker 2: three game series, And so it got pretty negative there

Speaker 2: for the you know, those last three games and the

Speaker 2: offense was starting to look a lot like twenty twenty five,

Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, people were like, oh god, Austin Riley

Speaker 2: looks awful. Acuna has been one of the more unlucky

Speaker 2: hitters of baseball. I tweeted something out earlier about his

Speaker 2: expected numbers, and I'm with you. I was never really

Speaker 2: worried about Acunya. But still you want to see the

Speaker 2: guy have results. He's finally getting some results. But yeah,

Speaker 2: the Braves, you know, you kind of have to look

Speaker 2: deeper than just surface standings and stuff like that. This

Speaker 2: or early if you look at stuff like base runs,

Speaker 2: which kind of measures teams by their inputs versus their outputs,

Speaker 2: which which is what I like to use early on it.

Speaker 2: At least the Braves have been a really good team.

Speaker 2: They should have a better record than they do. I

Speaker 2: think I think they're already like minus three in terms

Speaker 2: of they should have three more wins than they actually

Speaker 2: do just based off of inputs. And that stuff gets heavy.

Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get too much into that, but the Braves,

Speaker 2: like the nuts and bolts under the hood, stuff does

Speaker 2: look good, like even if you account for the pitching

Speaker 2: probably going to take a step back, which it is

Speaker 2: almost certainly going to do. The starting pitching is not

Speaker 2: going to pitch at this level all year, especially the names.

Speaker 2: Now they might get improved performance by the fact that

Speaker 2: they get guys back healthy, but under the hood does

Speaker 2: look good like it just objectively does, and the Braves

Speaker 2: could even be in a better spot than they are

Speaker 2: now if some of their secreencing had happened differently the

Speaker 2: first ten days. So overall, yeah, I feel pretty good

Speaker 2: right now.

Speaker 1: Yeah, all of their wins I shouldn't say all but

Speaker 1: one of their wins so far have been by more

Speaker 1: than two rents. So when they're winning, their bludgeoning, which

Speaker 1: is good. And because normally, like you know, close games

Speaker 1: are a little bit more random, I mean brandom. I

Speaker 1: know that's so dangerous word to people that people don't like.

Speaker 1: But you know, you're gonna win something, you're gonna lose

Speaker 1: some love run games, that's just what's gonna happen sometimes.

Speaker 1: And the Braves have I believe they are zero to

Speaker 1: two in one run games and one of those was

Speaker 1: an extra ending game, So again, under the hood encouraging.

Speaker 1: So for me, I don't know, a good Wednesday, I

Speaker 1: could getaway day. I'm sure it always feels better going

Speaker 1: into a finally a day off and a long flight

Speaker 1: after a win. And uh, you know. We'll leave it

Speaker 1: there for now. But we have more discussed in a second,

Speaker 1: including the suspension fallout which was always coming to some

Speaker 1: degree after the fracas on Tuesday, plus update on Sean Murphy,

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Speaker 1: All right, Stephen, Dealer's choice. You want to talk about

Speaker 1: the suspensions.

Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get out of the way.

Speaker 1: Okay, So you brought this up to me offline and

Speaker 1: I'm gonna let I'm gonna tee you up for it.

Speaker 1: It was this weird timing thing because it got announced

Speaker 1: today on Wednesday that both Ronald Lopez and race Layer

Speaker 1: got seven game suspensions and undisclosed fines. The league announced that,

Speaker 1: and then within hours it was the appeal was done

Speaker 1: and Lopez the suspension was dropped from seven to five. Yeah,

Speaker 1: and obviously that's good news for the Braves, right that.

Speaker 1: We'll talk about talk about that in a second as

Speaker 1: far as the fallout as concerned. But when we were

Speaker 1: talking about so offline, you were mentioning like why not

Speaker 1: just wait till the appeal's done? Like, I don't know this,

Speaker 1: it doesn't really make sense to me. It's like this

Speaker 1: false start to where like everyone's talking aout this whole

Speaker 1: round of stories about seven game suspensions, We're all doing

Speaker 1: the math on okay, what is going to mean for retition,

Speaker 1: and then similarly, minutes later it's like, no, never mind five.

Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like forty five minutes later they draw

Speaker 2: they like released, oh, we've already I guess listened to

Speaker 2: the appeal, made our decision, and here's the like just

Speaker 2: wait just give me the final number. I don't need

Speaker 2: the whole like the recipe to get there. But yeah,

Speaker 2: So I saw some people and I saw the Foul

Speaker 2: Territory guys talking about this earlier today on their show,

Speaker 2: and I specifically wanted to listen to their show because

Speaker 2: that's two catchers that are on that show and their

Speaker 2: perspective on like a brawl, especially when the catcher, you know,

Speaker 2: the catcher's role in that stuff. It was it was

Speaker 2: interesting to me. But I saw them talking about this,

Speaker 2: and I saw Brace fans talking about this as well,

Speaker 2: but not really understanding why Ronaldo would be spended or

Speaker 2: be fine, because you know, technically Solaire charged the mound

Speaker 2: and like there should just be a certain level, like

Speaker 2: I should be able to if a grizzly bear runs

Speaker 2: at me, I should be able to defend myself, Like

Speaker 2: it's not one of my I'm just supposed to tie

Speaker 2: my hands behind my back and let him beat the

Speaker 2: hell out of me. Like no, But if you go

Speaker 2: back and actually watch the video, Ronaldo actually does walk

Speaker 2: off the mound and like step towards Solaire and then

Speaker 2: he's kind of got his arms out and then Solara

Speaker 2: kind of charged, so like both guys approached one another,

Speaker 2: and I think the I think the reason that Ronaldo

Speaker 2: was ejected from the game, what the umpire told, what weiss,

Speaker 2: was because he left the mount, because he stepped towards

Speaker 2: home plate. Ronaldo also was hitting Solair in the head

Speaker 2: with the baseball, which is like, you're gonna probably get

Speaker 2: suspended for that, Like you can't use the baseball as

Speaker 2: a literal weapon. I've never seen that. I mean, last

Speaker 2: night's brawl was a ten out of ten, like never

Speaker 2: in my life, for a number of reasons. One Ronaldo

Speaker 2: going full fight with his glove and the ball still

Speaker 2: on both hands. I've never seen that, and then using

Speaker 2: the ball as a weapon hitting a Solert literally in

Speaker 2: the head in the helmet, which hitting a guy with

Speaker 2: your pitching hand in the helmet, It's just another level

Speaker 2: of crazy. But I always expected Ronaldo to get to

Speaker 2: get suspended, Like I was not shocked by this. It's

Speaker 2: usually the equivalent of one start for a pitcher, which

Speaker 2: is essentially what this is. So nothing about today, other

Speaker 2: than them releasing the number the games suspended and then

Speaker 2: forty five minutes later updating it, none of that really surprised.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know you guys covered a lot

Speaker 1: of this last night. I the takeaway still for me

Speaker 1: is what Weiss's form tackle that was legend. That was

Speaker 1: stuff of legend and also in a more serious, slightly

Speaker 1: more serious fashion. I loved Weiss's comments post game. I

Speaker 1: think he did a great job with all of it. Basically. Yeah,

Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, I I understand people don't want

Speaker 1: Renaldo was suspended. I never thought that was ever gonna

Speaker 1: be a possibility, Like, and at no point after watching

Speaker 1: that that I think Renaldo will get off Scott free.

Speaker 1: I don't know if it was gonna be the same

Speaker 1: suspension for both guys, Like that's up for debate, but

Speaker 1: there was pretty much no scenario where he wasn't gonna

Speaker 1: get suspended, I thought after watching the way that went down.

Speaker 2: So yeah, And I'll say this about Walt's comments, which

Speaker 2: you just mentioned, and I think what you're talking about

Speaker 2: is really tired. Where he was talking about his relationship

Speaker 2: was so lair. The only way you can tackle a

Speaker 2: human being like that is if you have a pretty

Speaker 2: good relationship with him.

Speaker 1: He was him down after the game, was like after

Speaker 1: the whole thing slowed down. He was like they were

Speaker 1: like love you not lovey dovey, but they were like

Speaker 1: totally fine. You know what I mean, Walt doesn't.

Speaker 2: If Walt doesn't have a relationship with Solaire and he

Speaker 2: tackles him, Solaire's gonna pick him up.

Speaker 1: Well, he wouldn't.

Speaker 2: Is just gonna be a second brawl.

Speaker 1: And he wouldn't have though, Like I mean, you know

Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I know Walt wall Scotton Street

Speaker 1: cut right now, which for good reason, and he has

Speaker 1: the background and all that stuff, but I don't think

Speaker 1: if that was a player he didn't know, that would

Speaker 1: have been out.

Speaker 2: And then what he said after the game was like

Speaker 2: I will never let one of my pitchers throw it

Speaker 2: a guy, yeah, because he can't get him out, which

Speaker 2: is what I love to heart. I hate this old

Speaker 2: school like if a guy hits a homer off, you

Speaker 2: you gotta you gotta have him wear one, Like that's

Speaker 2: the whole crap we went through with a Kunya and

Speaker 2: a Raino the Marlins a few years ago. Like I

Speaker 2: hate that stuff, and I'm glad Walt said that. And

Speaker 2: if you watch the circumstances of the game and Scott

Speaker 2: and I went through this last night. There was no

Speaker 2: planet where Ronaldo was throwing it. So the pitch he

Speaker 2: hit him on was a like a two two pitches,

Speaker 2: like the sixth pitch of the at bat, which you

Speaker 2: don't hit somebody on the sixth pitch of the if

Speaker 2: if you're mad they hit a homer off you, you're

Speaker 2: gonna hit him on the first pitch of the at

Speaker 2: bat or the second. You're gonna try and then try again.

Speaker 2: So he wasn't. I in no way believe Ronaldo was

Speaker 2: trying to hit Solaire. But I'm one hundred percent agreement

Speaker 2: with you. I love his comments like we're never gonna

Speaker 2: be that, We're never gonna let guys just throw it

Speaker 2: hitters just because we can't get him out, because I

Speaker 2: I agree with that, Like philosophically, that's how it should be.

Speaker 1: I agree for sure. And you know now that we know,

Speaker 1: you know, processed stuff aside, we know it's five games.

Speaker 1: The Braves, I think Grant McCaulay I saw, tweeted out

Speaker 1: the produced suspension and one of the top replies was like, wait,

Speaker 1: an off day? What does an off day look like?

Speaker 1: In joking fashion, because the Braves have not had an

Speaker 1: off day. Yet their first off day of the season

Speaker 1: is Thursday, as people are probably listening or watching this podcast.

Speaker 1: But because it's not five games and you get the

Speaker 1: off day, he might not He actually isn't going to

Speaker 1: miss a start if they follow what they could. Now

Speaker 1: they the Brave's not said that they're going to do this,

Speaker 1: but if you do the logical progression, you could, you know,

Speaker 1: Holmes pitch today. You could basically go off day, Bryce Elder,

Speaker 1: Martine Pez, Chris Saale, Grant Holmes on Monday on regular rest,

Speaker 1: four days rest, and then you and that that's five

Speaker 1: games and then you go back to Lopez. So again

Speaker 1: they've not said that, but I mean, there's a world

Speaker 1: in which this just doesn't impact the Braves at all.

Speaker 1: Like this that would have been the normal. I mean literally,

Speaker 1: other than flip flopping one day of Holmes and Lopez,

Speaker 1: that's the only impact. If the Braves want to get

Speaker 1: one little back on the mount as soon as possible.

Speaker 2: Yeah, if anything, it's probably gonna cost some of the guys,

Speaker 2: like they would have had an extra day's rest with

Speaker 2: the off day, Like everybody would have been pushed back

Speaker 2: a day. And now everybody's probably gonna end up still

Speaker 2: pitching on four days rest.

Speaker 1: Yeah, Holmes is really the only one. Like even then,

Speaker 1: like everybody else should be kind of back to where

Speaker 1: they Holmes is the one. It's gonna lose a day.

Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you're also not allowed to replace him

Speaker 2: on the roster and.

Speaker 1: That's that's that's the short But even then, like it's

Speaker 1: a starting pitcher, so yeah, you weren't going to do

Speaker 1: that anyway, he wasn't gonna be there for those five days.

Speaker 1: I don't know, it's uh if.

Speaker 2: I it's pretty it's it's it's a it's always a

Speaker 2: bigger deal for the position player than the pitcher, just

Speaker 2: based on a number of game. Now, in terms of

Speaker 2: impact of game, it's relatively the same because a hitter

Speaker 2: only gets fourd bats and a handful of defensive appearances,

Speaker 2: and a starting pitcher has a much bigger impact on

Speaker 2: the one game he's playing. But yeah, it's a bigger

Speaker 2: deal for the position player. And I didn't hear so Lair.

Speaker 2: I'm assuming Solaiir is going to appeal. He's gonna have

Speaker 2: a tougher time because he's the one that charges the mound.

Speaker 2: But we'll see what happens, but yeah, it's it's gonna

Speaker 2: have a pretty minimal impact on the Braves in terms.

Speaker 1: Of Yeah, the initial report was that he was appealing.

Speaker 1: I never saw if he got a reduced ruling or

Speaker 1: not today, so my apologies on that.

Speaker 3: But.

Speaker 1: No, I mean it's ironic because the Brives just played

Speaker 1: this thirteen game thirteen day stretch. If this happened a

Speaker 1: week ago, it would have impacted them a lot more.

Speaker 1: They would have had to call up a sixth I mean,

Speaker 1: they would have had to go with, you know, a

Speaker 1: Pupen game or call up someone from the miners and

Speaker 1: maybe we would have gotten a gr Richie or did

Speaker 1: your font test start, which would have been more exciting

Speaker 1: for some people but including me. But you know, because

Speaker 1: of when it happened as well, it's kind of business

Speaker 1: as usual. I will say, before I forget to say this,

Speaker 1: I saw Didier was like pretty dominant today in Gwinett

Speaker 1: six shinnings and like just didn't even get touched, which

Speaker 1: is encouraging. It doesn't change anything for the short term plan,

Speaker 1: I don't think. Because the Braves area announced probables for

Speaker 1: the weekend and one of them is Martine Pez so

Speaker 1: I don't think that there's gonna a change coming this weekend,

Speaker 1: but I love to see did your front test pitching?

Speaker 1: Well I didn't watch that start, but hey, I trust

Speaker 1: what I've been told by people that did, so there's that.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Scott. It was either Scott and I

Speaker 2: or Sean and I can't remember talked about this, but

Speaker 2: I think, and it's just my opinion, I've not heard this.

Speaker 2: I think if Spencer Strider wasn't so close to coming

Speaker 2: back and taking that fifth starter spot, then Didyer would

Speaker 2: have been a real candidate for being in the rotation

Speaker 2: for the first month of the season. I don't think

Speaker 2: the Braves really want to do the like jerk him

Speaker 2: around Gwinnett Atlanta, Gwinette Atlanta like they've done guys in

Speaker 2: the past, and Strider like being at least somewhat close

Speaker 2: to coming back, I you know, we have to actually

Speaker 2: see him pitch in minor le games and get built

Speaker 2: back up. I don't want to say it's like imminent,

Speaker 2: but I do think if if there was a longer

Speaker 2: potential hole in that fifth spot in the rotation then

Speaker 2: there currently is. I do think we'd see fint because

Speaker 2: Wintez is like as ready as you can probably be

Speaker 2: for a picture at least, Like it's not position players

Speaker 2: where you let you make them force your hand like pictures.

Speaker 2: Once they get to triple A and start striking people

Speaker 2: out at this level what he did in spring training,

Speaker 2: like did hear, is ready to be in the majors

Speaker 2: at this point, at least ready for another shot at it.

Speaker 2: He might not succeed, but he's ready for another shot

Speaker 2: at it. I think the Braves are just one, you know,

Speaker 2: trying to protect their depth with Martin Perez, and two

Speaker 2: they know striders coming back relatively soon and they don't

Speaker 2: want to jerk the kid around, which I don't necessarily

Speaker 2: disagree with. Though if I if Martin Perez gets lit

Speaker 2: up again on Saturday or whatever day it is, you know,

Speaker 2: ask me again, my opinion might change. But for right

Speaker 2: now I do kind of get the logic of what

Speaker 2: they're doing.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree for the record. Other kind of this

Speaker 1: is kind of kind of a I shouldn't say slow

Speaker 1: because a lot of things happened yesterday, which you guys

Speaker 1: covered since then. The only other real news is that

Speaker 1: Sean Murphy is officially going to begin his rehab assignment

Speaker 1: in Gwinnett's, which is of course down the street if

Speaker 1: you're not familiar with the local geography. And I believe

Speaker 1: it's going to be happening as soon as Friday. Friday's

Speaker 1: not yeah Fridays, the Fridays down today, and with someone

Speaker 1: like Murphy like, he doesn't have to be down that long.

Speaker 1: I I don't know when we'll see Murphy in Atlanta,

Speaker 1: but it won't be long, I don't think. But once

Speaker 1: he starts playing games in Gwinnette at Triple A, when

Speaker 1: it's thirty minutes down the road, I don't think he's

Speaker 1: going to be long for the Miners unless something goes wrong.

Speaker 1: That's my that that they've not said that, But that's

Speaker 1: just when a guy like this established gets on the

Speaker 1: field in games at Triple A, like they didn't send

Speaker 1: him to Rome or anything like, he's you know, it's

Speaker 1: going to be pretty quick, I think, would be my guess.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and him not having literally any kind

Speaker 2: of spring training probably means he's going to be down

Speaker 2: for at least a week.

Speaker 1: I would say, just yeah, I was guessing. I was

Speaker 1: guessing a week, just just like they were doing the

Speaker 1: same game stuff. They were all mentioning, like I think

Speaker 1: even what was like he didn't have spring. It's very

Speaker 1: very plainly like he just didn't have any at bats.

Speaker 1: That's all that is. But I don't know. I don't

Speaker 1: think he's gonna be there. Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I

Speaker 1: will certainly wear.

Speaker 2: A lot of it, A lot of It's going to

Speaker 2: come down to the hip as well, like how does

Speaker 2: the hip respond to playing nine innings and being in

Speaker 2: a in a catcher's crouch for nine innings?

Speaker 1: That is the that is the deal with him. I

Speaker 1: mean hopefully, Look, I'm I'm pro Shaw Murphy. Hopefully he's

Speaker 1: actually honest with the medical staff. You can't assume that anymore.

Speaker 1: I guess with Sean Murphy, who just didn't tell anybody

Speaker 1: who's hurt for a year. But yeah, you're right, it's

Speaker 1: it's a different thing to be in a game. I mean,

Speaker 1: I know it's triple A playing in a game, catching

Speaker 1: in particular in a game is a different beast. But uh,

Speaker 1: he'll be back soon enough. And look, I Jona hint

Speaker 1: has been fine. He can't hit. That's just like what

Speaker 1: it is. So it would be nice to have.

Speaker 2: I do think there's a chance they keep him. I

Speaker 2: do think there's a chance they might go with three catchers.

Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody asked me that the other day and I

Speaker 1: kind of felt the same, Like there is a world,

Speaker 1: I mean, that is an optimal roster management. But especially

Speaker 1: when you like have basically just announced that you're gonna

Speaker 1: play Trick Bulbin every single day in some way, which

Speaker 1: is understandable with how good he is, and it's with

Speaker 1: the DH like you can get away with it a

Speaker 1: lot easier than you used to be able to get

Speaker 1: away with it.

Speaker 2: Yeah, like Kyle Farmers like like appeared in like one game,

Speaker 2: So like you, you very clearly have an opportunity where

Speaker 2: you could run three catchers. I've thought, I mean ever

Speaker 2: since the offseason war was very obvious they were gonna

Speaker 2: use catchers as dhs as much as they were going to,

Speaker 2: especially after the profile news, I thought there's a chance

Speaker 2: they could carry three just for that, just for the

Speaker 2: mechanics of that alone, where where you're a lot of

Speaker 2: the times having a catcher DH, it's just easier to

Speaker 2: do three catchers, and when you have a position player

Speaker 2: on your bench that's barely playing anyways, We'll see what

Speaker 2: they do I could. You know, you can go the

Speaker 2: other way as well, but I would not be don't

Speaker 2: be surprised at all. They keep three.

Speaker 1: I didn't realize this. He's actually played, He's actually appeared

Speaker 1: in three games. I don't I don't know what he

Speaker 1: did in those three games. He only has two plays I.

Speaker 2: Miss I missed all three of them. Apparently, I don't.

Speaker 1: Even know what that guy looks fill in phil in duty.

Speaker 1: He played well. Both his play appearances were in the

Speaker 1: first week. I think anyway, it doesn't really matter. But yeah,

Speaker 1: it would not shock me if we see him stick around.

Speaker 1: But that's a seven for another day. But Murphy's coming back,

Speaker 1: coming close. We will see. That's really the only bit

Speaker 1: of actual news. I don't know, Steven, I have I

Speaker 1: have a question. What have you enjoyed more in the

Speaker 1: last two days, the Braves win in two games comfortably

Speaker 1: or the Phillies not scoring a single run in two days?

Speaker 2: Yeah, I always enjoy a good negative Philly stat. And listen,

Speaker 2: they had a rough opening week too. They had a

Speaker 2: home stand against the Rangers and the Nationals or something

Speaker 2: like that, and got lost both series and they couldn't score.

Speaker 2: I've had questions about that team. The rotation. You know,

Speaker 2: Zach Wheeler has not looked good. Like he's thrown like

Speaker 2: ninety one miles an hour right now. The offense looks poor.

Speaker 2: I will always take the Braves scoring fifteen runs in

Speaker 2: two games, because that's just a sight for sore eyes.

Speaker 2: It's been like three years since we've seen this offense

Speaker 2: consistently perform, So give me that all day. But I

Speaker 2: love a good Phillies bash stat anytime you have one.

Speaker 1: Slightly tongue in cheek, but I just had to mention

Speaker 1: that the Phillies haven't scored a run in two days,

Speaker 1: which I only honestly knew because of their of the

Speaker 1: online meltdown that was happening in Philadelphia. I have a

Speaker 1: lot of people that I follow that are Phillies adjacent,

Speaker 1: and they were not enjoying themselves over the last two days.

Speaker 1: Of course, I take pleasure in on some level. The

Speaker 1: weekend series begins Friday after the afore mentioned off day.

Speaker 1: The Guardian's come to town. They have the same record

Speaker 1: as the Braves. They are eight and five. The Brids

Speaker 1: are eight and five. Cleveland's always like pretty good, you

Speaker 1: know what I mean, They're not a great team. They

Speaker 1: don't spend a lot of money, so they're always kind

Speaker 1: of like on the margins. They're like the worst version

Speaker 1: of the Brewers in the American League, basically like kind

Speaker 1: of figuring it out pitching and making it happen. But

Speaker 1: that's a decent baseball team. They are better certainly than

Speaker 1: that the teams the Braves just saw. They're better than

Speaker 1: the Angels. They are, you know, I think probably better

Speaker 1: than the Royals. Arizona's kind of comparable, maybe just to Cleveland.

Speaker 1: I don't know, we can we can get lost in that.

Speaker 1: But it's also it's one of those series that does not,

Speaker 1: you know, line up terribly for the Braves. Pitching wise.

Speaker 1: They will see Tanner Beebe, who's pretty good on Sunday,

Speaker 1: but that he's against Crysale Sale. I believe, as you

Speaker 1: said last night on this particular show, I can't imagine

Speaker 1: him not pitching well on Sunday. But yeah, we'll find out. Oh,

Speaker 1: by the way, we'll probably talk about the game between

Speaker 1: now and then. Sunday is the first Braves game on

Speaker 1: NBC National NBC broadcast Sunday night prime time. The old

Speaker 1: ESPN slot is now an NBC slot, and that's the

Speaker 1: first time that Braves will have that slots on Sunday,

Speaker 1: it's leaving Braves.

Speaker 2: Guardians is the first one.

Speaker 1: It's Braves, I mean Braves and anybody. You know. It's

Speaker 1: behind the Yankees and Dodgers. Braves are like next on

Speaker 1: the list of preferable national TV t maybe the Red Sox,

Speaker 1: but like they're definitely top five solidly because they just

Speaker 1: bring their own audience. You know, it's like a built

Speaker 1: in million people literally that just will watch because the

Speaker 1: Raves are on, So that's always helpful.

Speaker 2: Yeah, the Guardians always remind me of like the Reds,

Speaker 2: maybe because they're both Red, but like they can't score typically.

Speaker 1: They're both red and the same state, so that was date.

Speaker 2: They don't spend any money. They you know, they're always

Speaker 2: having to like find diamonds in the rough. I looked

Speaker 2: at the pitchers the the Guardians would throw it. I've

Speaker 2: heard of one of them. I've heard of Tanner Bebe.

Speaker 2: I've literally never heard of the other two guys. So

Speaker 2: not not that the Braves have like their best guys

Speaker 2: going either, but yeah, it's at home. The Guardians have

Speaker 2: a hard time scoring runs. They do go through little

Speaker 2: I mean, they still have Josie Ramirez, who's a monster,

Speaker 2: but that's a series you. I mean again, the pitching

Speaker 2: matchups aren't like amazing. The Sunday night ones by far

Speaker 2: the best.

Speaker 1: But well, and the worst one for the Braves is

Speaker 1: probably Saturday. Parker Messik is a guy who's not a

Speaker 1: big name, but who is like a twenty five year

Speaker 1: old lefty who was good last year in a small

Speaker 1: sample size and was good in his first two starts

Speaker 1: this year, so like he might be good. I don't

Speaker 1: know if he is for sure. I won't claim to

Speaker 1: be an expert on that, but he's facing Martin Perez

Speaker 1: and he's a lefty, which the Bridge are not set

Speaker 1: to bash right there. So I think the least favorable

Speaker 1: game on paper it is not the Right Elder game,

Speaker 1: which is interesting because Bryce has been good and they're

Speaker 1: facing a lesser picture on paper on Friday Night. So

Speaker 1: I think if there's one to circle that's a danger

Speaker 1: spot on paper where things are often not won and lost,

Speaker 1: is Saturday Martine Press.

Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's a it's a you would expect a

Speaker 2: two out of three, Like that's what you go in

Speaker 2: because Bryce Elder has been actually fantastic.

Speaker 1: It has been, and we keep shouting him out it

Speaker 1: it's for a good reason. I hope you can do

Speaker 1: it again. Every once in a while, people some I

Speaker 1: don't even know if it's people. Someone will ask us

Speaker 1: or maybe yell at us that we are like reading

Speaker 1: for the team to do badly to make ourselves right,

Speaker 1: and that's just never how we are on this podcast.

Speaker 1: Like I would I said this on the show the

Speaker 1: other day, you would agree. I'm sure if Bryce is

Speaker 1: a young vote getter this year, I'll be thrilled. I

Speaker 1: will be dead wrong, but I'll be thrilled. Same thing

Speaker 1: I'm always. I like to be right, for sure, but

Speaker 1: I want to be right in the right direction. I

Speaker 1: don't want to be right by saying that somebody's not

Speaker 1: gonna go well.

Speaker 3: So, like I.

Speaker 2: Say all the time, I will gladly crow if I

Speaker 2: I mean, we you know, we do give opinions about players,

Speaker 2: like I guess we could come on here and every

Speaker 2: every question just say, well, I don't know, we'll see,

Speaker 2: but you know.

Speaker 1: That's which we have to do sometimes.

Speaker 2: But yeah, but every once in a while, you want

Speaker 2: to give an opinion, you know, and if they're if

Speaker 2: it's wrong. It's wrong.

Speaker 1: You know.

Speaker 2: I gave on Michael Harris's opinion a couple of years

Speaker 2: ago that I thought the guy would be an MVP candidate,

Speaker 2: and he was like the worst player in baseball the

Speaker 2: next year. So like, we're wrong, We're wrong all the time.

Speaker 2: Like it happens, I don't. I would listen. Bryce Olver

Speaker 2: wants to go win a cy Young or make an

Speaker 2: All Star team, sign me up right now. I'll take it,

Speaker 2: especially the way the health of this rotation looks. If

Speaker 2: if talking to Greg Maddox and that was a big

Speaker 2: story the last couple of days, Bryce Elder apparently had

Speaker 2: this big, you know, kind of awakening with Greg Maddox

Speaker 2: about how to use a slider if that, if that

Speaker 2: is actually gonna work, and Bryce Elder is like a

Speaker 2: really good picture. I am all aboard. I will buy

Speaker 2: a jersey. I will be the biggest price over fan

Speaker 2: you will ever find.

Speaker 1: Yep, we are aligned on that. And in general, like

Speaker 1: the pitching staff being as good as it is. I

Speaker 1: you said this earlier, I agree, like they're it would

Speaker 1: be shocking if the Braves pitchers have to not regress

Speaker 1: because they are literally number one in the league right now,

Speaker 1: in the major leagues right now in e RA as

Speaker 1: a team that's everything.

Speaker 2: What's the team FIP right now?

Speaker 1: I don't have it in front of me. It's a

Speaker 1: lot higher than the IRA. Let me pull it up.

Speaker 1: But I say all that like, they don't have to regress.

Speaker 1: It does not mean they have to be bad. So

Speaker 1: the team FIP is like in the load of mid three,

Speaker 1: it's like three point three point three right now, three

Speaker 1: point four, which is still good. They're there, this is

Speaker 1: coming into today, so this is not include today. Let

Speaker 1: me do the old refresh live stats on fangrafts. This

Speaker 1: is Ribboning Podcast Radio. Yeah, three point three PIP, which

Speaker 1: is again good. There's seventh in the majors in FIP.

Speaker 1: That's not two point zero five era where they are

Speaker 1: right now, So there is some aggression built in there,

Speaker 1: but hey, PHIP is more of an indication of what

Speaker 1: the quality has been. For instance, Renald is a good

Speaker 1: example of this. Right Obviously we're not all got a

Speaker 1: lot of talk about the brawl, but he's pitching with

Speaker 1: an ERA of like one and a fifth of like five. Like,

Speaker 1: I don't know which one of those is more real,

Speaker 1: but neither one of those is real. I don't think.

Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think. I don't think he's

Speaker 1: a five era pitcher. I don't think he's the one

Speaker 1: URI pitcher. That's one of those we'll have to see.

Speaker 1: But seventh Pricelder, like Pricelder has a zero R right now,

Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna keep that hot take.

Speaker 2: So, and you do have to factor like the level

Speaker 2: of competition the Brakes have played, I don't know. I

Speaker 2: don't know relative the rest of the league. The Brads

Speaker 2: have played a relatively easy schedule to start YEA, they

Speaker 2: have not played any I don't know if they've played

Speaker 2: anybody that would you would currently consider a like lock

Speaker 2: to be a playoff team. The Diamondbacks are probably the closest,

Speaker 2: depending on how I guess how you feel about the Royals,

Speaker 2: But the Guardians are probably the best team they've gonna

Speaker 2: play in that regard where I can very easily see

Speaker 2: the Guardians being in the playoffs, So you know this

Speaker 2: will be a test. The Marlins have played really well

Speaker 2: and that's who they have coming in after the Guardians,

Speaker 2: So yeah, you have to factor in the schedule. I

Speaker 2: do think the pitching is going to regress, but I

Speaker 2: also think the offense is going to improve just organically

Speaker 2: as well. So just because even if the pitching does regress,

Speaker 2: that doesn't necessarily mean that the level of the play

Speaker 2: from the team goes down. It can actually go up.

Speaker 2: I just think it might look different, but I you know, again,

Speaker 2: we talked that we opened the show with this under

Speaker 2: the hood stuff like I am encouraged and a Kunya

Speaker 2: and Riley looking much more like Acunyan Riley. I'm super encouraged.

Speaker 2: You know, Murphy's gonna come back pretty soon. I'm I

Speaker 2: feel pretty good right now overall.

Speaker 1: Two and can be famous last words, but I do

Speaker 1: feel yeah, pretty good. Yeah, we can leave it there

Speaker 1: for now. Steven on a shorten episode because it's my

Speaker 1: fault with recording Lyne, I had to cover the Hawks Cleveland,

Speaker 1: by the way, a lot of Atlanta Cleveland. Right now,

Speaker 1: the Hawks play the Calves twice in three days. They

Speaker 1: have probably gonna be a playoff serious I should estion

Speaker 1: they probably potentially a playoff series between the between the

Speaker 1: Calves and the Hawks and now Braves Guardians. So if

Speaker 1: you're if you know anybody in Cleveland, you're in a

Speaker 1: rivalry for the next week plus with the Caves.

Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to the This is a Braves podcast,

Speaker 2: but it's also you know, a lot of Atlanta people

Speaker 2: shout out to the Hawks. Right, incredible turn around the

Speaker 2: second half. They're going to be a playoff team. It

Speaker 2: looks like they're going to actually be outside or you know,

Speaker 2: in the normal playoffs and not even in the play

Speaker 2: in which I don't remember last time.

Speaker 1: Though, I don't follow the Hawks closely, Steven, so I

Speaker 1: don't know anything about that.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're famously famously don't know anything about.

Speaker 1: The Apologies for the delayed podcast. That's that's because I

Speaker 1: had to cover a game site. That's it happens, man,

Speaker 1: I I the I shouldn't say the toughest. The most

Speaker 1: interesting time for me on this podcast is the times

Speaker 1: when the Hawks are still playing, which means yeah, October,

Speaker 1: which which didn't matter this last year because the Braves

Speaker 1: were not the playoffs, and until the Hawks lose the

Speaker 1: beginning of the season. Once the Hawks are done playing,

Speaker 1: I'm not rooming for that, but I'm kind of double

Speaker 1: dutying more often than not.

Speaker 2: But what are they They're like the fifth They're like the.

Speaker 1: Sixth seeds currently the five seed in the East. As

Speaker 1: we're talking, people don't care. But five seed Atlanta versus

Speaker 1: Cleveland rivalry for the next week plus. If you're a

Speaker 1: Hawks fan, I host a Hawks podcast, so it's called

Speaker 1: Lot on Hawks to find it. Steven, thank you for

Speaker 1: being here staying up late with me on a Wednesday

Speaker 1: evening into Thursday. Folks can find you on Twitter. You

Speaker 1: are by far the best live tweeter on this podcast.

Speaker 1: I'll tell you that right now about the Atlanta Braves,

Speaker 1: be underscore outliars.

Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, be underscore Outliars. Sean has been away doing

Speaker 2: some personal stuff. He'll be back soon. Brad's been winning

Speaker 2: a national championship, being Scott had been hold down the four.

Speaker 2: But we're gonna have the whole team back here pretty soon.

Speaker 2: And listen, the season is now just fully repped up,

Speaker 2: like we're past the opening week and we're past all

Speaker 2: the new stuff. We're just in full season mode and

Speaker 2: I'm I'm absolutely thrilled. I can't wait. The team does

Speaker 2: look pretty good right now, and we'll be here to

Speaker 2: cover it all.

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