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Inside the Life of the World’s Most Dangerous Arms Dealer

Inside the Life of the World’s Most Dangerous Arms Dealer

Speaker 1: They're all on the FBI's most wanted list. Murderers, human traffickers,

millionaire fraudsters, drug lords, terrorists, and this man. He's a

threat to world peace and a key figure in the

struggle between superpowers. His name is Lee fang Wei, but

he also calls himself Carl Lee and uses several other aliases.

There's no criminal on the list with a higher bounty

five million dollars. This CIA Masade, the German BND, and

other spy agencies have been pursuing him for decades. One

US president even intervened personally to no avail.

Speaker 2: There still was this air of mystery around this Carli.

Speaker 3: He reminded me of sort of like the Colombian drug lords,

you know, like Pablo Escobar.

Speaker 4: I would say that, in all likelihood, he is an

individual who exists.

Speaker 1: He's a hunter focused on a particular prey, the most

unscrupulous arms dealer on the planet.

Speaker 2: My name is Aaron Arnold. I was a intelligence analyst

at the FBI. The Carlei case was the most unique

case that I ever participated in. I don't really recall

any cases that reached sort of this level of sophistication

and intrigue.

Speaker 1: The hunt is for a phantom who, among other things,

was able to help Iran obtain nuclear weapons, and of

whom there's just a single old photograph.

Speaker 2: This is a sort of another mystery of Carley. Why

aren't there more pictures? Why aren't there videos? You know,

it's kind of rare this day and age to be

able to hide for so long without your photo being taken.

Speaker 1: Aaron Arnold left the FBI for academia years ago, but

this particular story has clung to him ever since.

Speaker 2: It turned into, you know, one of these cases where

you know, after a day of trying to answer questions,

you'd end up with with more.

Speaker 1: Now many investigators, intelligence agency operatives, and diplomats have all

had this same experience as Aaron Arnold. A suburb of

Washington home to many of those responsible for planning America's

wars and shaping US foreign policy, Among them the man

who was probably the first to pick up Carl Lee trail.

Speaker 5: My name is Van van Deepen.

Speaker 6: For about fourteen years, I ran the office in the

State Department responsible for, among other things, missile non proliferation.

Preventing the spread of WFD and missiles is among the

president's highest national security priorities.

Speaker 1: For years, he served as National Intelligence Officer for Weapons

of Mass Destruction and Proliferation and worked for the US

Department of State until late twenty sixteen.

Speaker 6: So through all that time I had some level of

responsibility for dealing with the Karl Lee problem.

Speaker 1: The Carl Lee problem. When US intelligence agencies, going about

their daily business of collecting communication data, first came across

suspicious transactions by a Chinese businessman, no one suspected the

dimensions it would eventually assume.

Speaker 6: It would have been in the early two thousands. I

think every day, as part of my job responsibilities, I

would be reading the intelligence reporting that came in overnight,

and there would have been some what we call raw

intelligence reporting that would have, you know, first mentioned the

activities of Carl Lee.

Speaker 1: The US government soon realized they picked up the trail

of a serial offender shipping material for the construction of

ballistic missiles to Iran in breach of two thousand and

six UN Security Council sanctions on Tehran.

Speaker 6: He was pretty active, and so you know, probably every

week or two something would come up, and as things

came up, we would try to act on them.

Speaker 1: Behind the scenes, they applied pressure. The Department of State

shared information on Carl Lee's shipment routes with the governments

of other nations so they could take his containers out

of circulation when the ship discharged its cargo.

Speaker 6: Sometimes you know something would come out of the other

end of that process that you would you know, put

into play and watch develop. And sometimes you weren't able,

either because we didn't know enough or the intelligence behind

it was so sensitive that we couldn't risk compromising it

that you had to sort of sit back and let that.

Speaker 1: One and go. And so within a few years, Carl

Lee became the trusted supplier to the Iranian weapons industry.

Israel's spy agencies also stumbled upon Cara Lei at the

turn of the millennium. They feared the businessmen from China

could increase the range of their arch enemies missiles with

dramatic consequences for Israel.

Speaker 7: It was more than twenty years ago when the Iranians

came first time to North Korea asking for missiles to buy,

and the nosth Kourini were very open towards their needs

and they say, we have here on the shelf missiles

buy as many as you want there. Any question was

very interesting, what is range of the missiles? And when

the North Korean told them that the range is a

thousand kilometers to say, we don't buy. If it is

less than thirteen hundred, we don't need it. And we

all run to the maps to see what the three

hundreds will add to their capability, and it was very

clear if it is less than getting into the heart

of Tel Aviv, they are not ready to.

Speaker 1: Buy a difference of three hundred kilometers to potentially cause

hundreds of thousands of fatalities.

Speaker 7: It does matter where you hit, you kill. It's so

crowded and you'll kill many Israelists.

Speaker 1: Israel is regularly hit by smaller missiles, but partially due

to caral Lee's shipments came within range of Iranian missiles

that were at least fifteen meters long, with a potential

to carry nuclear warheads on.

Speaker 8: The Cruzever, technical solutions included replacing steel with aluminium, installing

better steering, making the warhead smaller, and amending the stability

of the aerodynamics. Suddenly you could shoot these missiles over

one size and five hundred kilometers, puitting Israel within range.

Speaker 1: The German federal intelligence agency, the B and D, British

mi I six and other secret services also began homing

in on Carl Lee during the two thousands. But just

who is the man who could plunge the Middle East

into chaos?

Speaker 2: A lot of my colleagues have spent countless hours, you know,

digging through his marriage records, death records, you know, legal

records to find out as much as they can about

this guy.

Speaker 1: Investigators obtained Carl Lee's passport number, a series of numbers

that's like a fingerprint in China. It lasts for life

and reveals one state of birth, the eighteenth of September

nineteen seventy two. The first two numbers indicate the province

where he was born. Twenty three is helong Jing, an

area in China's far northeast, directly on the border with

Russia or more precisely Siberia. In the seventies, the Chinese

called this area the Great Northern Wilderness. To this day,

few foreigners stray into Helong Jing. It's thought that Caral

Lee spent his childhood here in a place called Chahyang.

At the time, it was nothing more than a small

agricultural township He was born into one of the darkest

periods of Chinese history, Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution. The nation

was in the grip of a wave of fanaticism and violence.

Children reported their own parents for speaking against Mao, thereby

signing their own death warrants. Many were forced into labor

in helong Jing, including educated young people from the cities.

It's very likely that Karl Lee's parents were among the

million people who drained swamps, planted fields, and made helong

Jing what it is today, China's bread basket.

Speaker 9: This is the Chinese hinterland. It's not a wealthy area.

It's a place that's heavily reliant on farming in the summer,

but that's completely cut off by snow in the winter.

It's a long way to the nearest life. In other words,

it would be relatively difficult to manufacture anything halt yet

to stand.

Speaker 1: To this day, Western visitors see helong Jang as a mysterious, lost,

almost exotic place. It's where Lei fung Wi spent the

first years of his life. Thirty years later, as Carl Lee,

he was giving the world's most powerful government the run around.

Speaker 6: It wouldn't have been long before we decided that we

needed to try to figure out a way to go

to the Chinese government, because if we really wanted to

stop him, we had to somehow persuade the Chinese government

to do it.

Speaker 1: Initially, the US believed this approach would be successful.

Speaker 6: And so then we would start dialoguing with the Chinese government,

providing them information about Carli's activities and trying to, you know,

see if we could somehow both assist and persuade them

to take action.

Speaker 1: At the time, China's government had just changed its approach

to weapons exports.

Speaker 4: In the eighties and nineties, proliferation from China was focused

mostly on exports from major state firms, firms that clearly

were connected and controlled by the Chinese government, and these

firms were selling complete systems to countries of concern.

Speaker 1: Along with the Chinese economy, Beijing's influence grew. China presented

itself as a responsible global power and endorsed several agreements

aimed at preventing missiles and warheads from falling into the

wrong hands.

Speaker 4: China definitely has international obligations to do something. I mean

their party to the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. They had

said that they are adhering to something called the Missile

Technology Control Regime. So coming back to car Lee. According

to that regime, China is meant to be controlling missile

related technologies of the type that Karlee is providing.

Speaker 1: As a permanent member of the UN Security Council, China

also supported the two thousand and six sanctions on Iranian

nuclear activities, but Carl Lee continued to supply Tehran.

Speaker 10: Every month, every couple months.

Speaker 6: As the information came in, you know, we would, you know,

seek to what we called the marsh the Chinese government

about Lee and his activities. And so there's a you know,

a very long history of US to marshes to the

Chinese complaining about Lee and asking them to take action

about Lee.

Speaker 1: The talks more highly sensitive CIA spies were regularly disappearing

in China. Giving away too much information could endanger lives.

Speaker 11: Is a balance to try to figure out how much

to tell to one's diplomatic counterpart about a problem that

you've learned about through intelligence. The nightmare scenario is I

go to a diplomatic counterpart and tell them that I

know something about a terrible problem that is happening in

their country and ask them to please stop it. They

go home and tell their security service what I have

told them, which allows them to identify the source and

shoot the poor fellow. So someone has died for having

done the right thing by trying to draw attention to

a problem. And we no longer get that information either,

and everyone thinks the problem is solved, except that it's not.

It's just that my source is dead.

Speaker 1: In the White House at the time, George W. Bush,

despite the risks his administration, repeatedly chose to share sensitive

information on Karl Lee with China. In two thousand and eight,

his Secretary of State stepped in personally. Conda Liza Rice

instructed her diplomats that the US US Embassy in Beijing

to ramp up the pressure. They were told to work

on the Chinese government to ensure its intervention in the case.

Rice and several secret dispatches heavily incriminating Carl Lee. They

were concerning the supply of machinery for missile construction and

harmless sounding substances such as aluminum and graphite.

Speaker 8: When you can build thrusters of graphite which reach into

this tail into the missile's exhaust gases and change its direction,

to put it simply, so the missile can use the

stuff coming out of the back to steer itself.

Speaker 1: It's thought. Caral Lee also supplied Iran with a large

number of gyroscopes.

Speaker 8: The gyroscope is essentially the missile's brain, it's sensory organs.

It allows the missile to determine where it's moving, where

it's going, how it's moving, counter steer, and stay on

course of course play.

Speaker 1: It's these instruments that turn inaccurate projectiles into precision weapons.

Speaker 8: Is how the missile steers itself. The gyroscoup is like

the missile's nervous system, its eyes and ears.

Speaker 1: Carl Lee appeared to be supplying enough of these for

an entire arsenal of missiles.

Speaker 4: Those are fine instruments that require careful calibration. You can

see in the quantities that car Lee has applied. I

mean you have hundreds, hundreds of accelerometers, hundreds of actuators

that have been supplied. So this is not one or

two pieces that are on needs. This is something that

they need for each and every missile that they're building.

Speaker 1: In two thousand and nine, Barack Obama's Democrats moved into

the White House the new Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton,

pursued her predecessor's course unchanged. After just a few weeks

in office, she had her diplomats deliver a message to

the Chinese government. We strongly urge you to invest instigate

these activities, Signed Clinton.

Speaker 6: There are certainly lots of things that he's doing that

are illegal in China. From our standpoint, there's plenty of

domestic legal basis for the Chinese to take action, but

for whatever reason, they haven't.

Speaker 12: My name's Adam Kaufman.

Speaker 13: I started working in the Manhattan District Attorney's office in

nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 12: I was a.

Speaker 13: Street crime prosecutor, starting with very minor crimes, working your

way up until you're handling more serious and violent crime.

I then went and worked in a narcotics bureau that

prosecuted international shipments coming up from Mexico and South America,

truckloads of usually cocaine, sometimes heroin. After that, I found

myself wondering what I should do, and I went and

spoke with mister Morgenthaw.

Speaker 1: In two thousand and three, Robert Morgenthaw was the District

Attorney of Manhattan. He came from a Jewish family, that

had fled Germany escaping persecution. His father was US Secretary

of the Treasury during World War II and creator of

the Morgenthaw plan to turn Germany into an agricultural nation.

After the war, he supported the fledgling state of Israel,

which left its mark on Robert Morgenthaw. In nineteen sixty one,

his friend John F. Kennedy appointed him District Attorney of

New York. He went on to become one of the

most influential figures in US judicial history.

Speaker 13: We had a tremendous amount of personal courage. He wasn't

afraid to take on difficult cases. He suggested that I

join this little bureau called Investigation Division Central.

Speaker 12: It was a bureau that.

Speaker 13: Sort of handled mister Morganhaw's interest in international markets. In

the recognition of the place that Manhattan played in global finance.

Speaker 1: With Wall Street as a close neighbor, Morganhaw set out

to be more than just an attorney for Manhattan. He

saw himself as a prosecutor for international crime.

Speaker 13: Manhattan's unique because we have so much of global finance

passes through Manhattan, international wire payments, international securities, so much

international global business takes place within a mile of the

courthouse in Manhattan.

Speaker 1: The Morgan thought ethos was his investigators could hunt down

any criminal whose money passed through Manhattan, which happened when

someone in the city made a dollar ansfer. That meant

the long arm of Morgenthaw reached into every part of the.

Speaker 13: World, and he was not afraid to flex those muscles

and to impose himself into international finance where really very

few district attorneys would be able to go.

Speaker 1: One day, when the district attorney was well over eighty,

his path crossed Carl Leese. Morgenthaw had received a tip

off via one of his secret contacts.

Speaker 13: It was probably around two thousand and five. He called

us into his office and he told us to buy

tickets and get on a plane and head to Israel,

being told that we were going to go meet with

Israeli intelligence officials.

Speaker 12: I had no idea what to expect.

Speaker 1: When the New York investigators arrived, they'd never heard of

Carl Lee. All they knew was their boss was very

worried about the country his father had once supported.

Speaker 13: He viewed Iran as a threat to Israel, but he

also had a view based on terrorism. He also viewed

it as a threat to New York and to the

citizens of New York, you know, coming out of nine

to eleven.

Speaker 1: These were the years when the world found out about

Iran's secret ambitions to build a nuclear bomb for Israel

an existential threat. The reason for a highly unusual meeting.

Speaker 13: I had never heard of a local prosecutor going to

meet with foreign intelligence services. That was something that I

had never heard of. You know, we're not the federal government,

and we weren't the CIA, we weren't anyone like that.

But for mister Morgan Thaw, it was sort of business

as usual. The Israeli has had an extensive program, as

you would expect, focusing on Iranian WMD and missile procurement.

Speaker 1: The Foreign Spy Agency MASSAD had been watching Carl Lee

for a while, but China was one of Israel's key

trading partners and the government didn't want any open conflict

with Beijing. So all of a sudden, the New York

prosecutors were in a room with the head of MASSAD.

Speaker 13: I remember sitting in a meeting with Meyer Degan, and

mister Degan saying, we don't want intelligence to sit on

a shelf. We want to act against it, and I

understand that mister Morganhaw feels the same way, and so

we want to help you make cases if we can,

that you can bring to expose what Iran is doing.

And he said, we want to give you the tools

and if you can use them.

Speaker 12: We want you to.

Speaker 1: Israel's Masad began secretly collaborating with US prosecutors in regards

to a mysterious businessman in China.

Speaker 13: They gave us some opening information and it was about

Carl Lee.

Speaker 1: To this day, the authorities believe he's here in one

of Asia's most important port cities. It's about one thousand

kilometers to the south of Carl Lee's home, hey long Jang,

not far from the border with North Korea, a metropolis

of millions that profited in the nationwide economic boom of

the nineteen eighties. At the time, the nation was opening

up to the west. Thanks to him. Deang Chaoping Mao's successor,

he set up special economic zones in China where foreign

investment was possible. That's how Dang brought capitalism to China

in nineteen eighty four. He also made Dallian a special

economic zone. It's not possible to say precisely when Carl

Lee's family ended up there. Despite meticulous research, no details

of his youth exist. People that knew him didn't talk.

The authority is divulged nothing, as though issued with a

blanket directive to remain silent. Rumors and vague scraps of

information are all we have to go on. It's thought

he attended a school in Dallian named Number twenty four,

an elite school for the children of high ranking party officials.

That would match the claim that Carl Lee's grandfather was

a highly decorated colonel in the People's Liberation Army. It's

also thought that Carl Lee worked intermittently for the state,

but it's not known in what capacity. One thing's for sure.

He made full use of Dallian's advantages. The port city

is a great place to do business, legal or otherwise.

Speaker 4: You have a lot of foreign US firms or European

firms that have branches there that have manufacture things in China.

From an opportunistic point of view, it's a great place

if you want to be a proliferator, because there are

a lot of places to hide.

Speaker 1: Here. In Dallian. A business was registered in the late

nineteen nineties, its name Limped Economic and Trade Company. According

to the Chinese company's register, Carl Lee's father, Lea Gui

Jin had himself listed as the company's legal representative on

the fourth of June nineteen ninety eight. This company was

the seed for Carl Lee's commercial empire.

Speaker 13: The Israelis gave us some of the substance and content

of certain emails that showed references to WMD and other

materials for weapons procurement, missile production, things like that.

Speaker 12: We would work until late at night.

Speaker 13: We'd order in pizzas, beers and just work on this

thing all the time.

Speaker 1: The prosecutors were in luck because in one particular aspect,

Carl Lee had been extremely reckless.

Speaker 13: Some of the email addresses were from US providers Hotmail

or Yahoo. Because they were in the US, there was

a procedure to get access to the content of those

emails from the email service providers.

Speaker 12: So we had a starting point.

Speaker 13: We had some very talented, tenacious prosecutors working on the case,

and they just dug into the information. They were making connections.

Speaker 1: What they found trumped all their findings to date. The

investigators stumbled upon innumerable transactions and a seemingly impenetrable network

of dummy companies.

Speaker 13: We found so many channels of WMD proliferation of money

moving through different countries.

Speaker 12: He had a real global network. I remember that very well.

Speaker 5: I'm sure.

Speaker 13: This mission was so fundamental, especially when we started seeing

what was in the emails themselves.

Speaker 12: It became very real.

Speaker 1: He wrote. We are the same company, the factory, the

people as the previous LIMT. The only difference is that

the company's English name has changed to Sino Metallurgy and

Men Metals Industry.

Speaker 13: He would email people and say, well, don't worry about

US sanctions. I'm just going to change the name of

my company. I mean, he was brazen in the emails.

Speaker 1: He urged his business partners into the fray. This is

very important, he wrote, otherwise the money can be blocked.

Like last time.

Speaker 13: There were transactions between metallurgists all over the world, providing

material that Carl Lee would then provide to Iran, and

Carl Lee had to pay for those materials in US dollars.

US dollar payments almost always clear through banks in the US,

and especially back in the early two thousands, most of

those banks were in Manhattan, so if the wire payment

said Carl Lee or Lifang Wei, then yes, the banks

would have stopped them. But if the wire payment said

the Bright and Shiny Metallurgist Company, then there's nothing for

the US banks to see and the payment just goes through.

That was the whole idea of Carl Lee in setting

up all of these dummy companies. It was to fool

the US banks into processing payments that otherwise would have

been blocked.

Speaker 1: Although he was hiding thousands of kilometers from Manhattan, investigators

wanted Carl Lee to face trial in New York.

Speaker 13: The legal theory we came up with was that by

sending the wire payments in false names, caused the bank

records of the Manhattan banks to have false information and

falsifying records. Falsifying the records of a business is a

New York state crime, and so all of this came

down to the falsifying of business records of banks in Manhattan.

Speaker 1: After months of investigations, they indicted Karl Lee.

Speaker 14: The Manhattan District Attorney, Robert Morgenthaw announced a one hundred

and eighteen count indictment against a Chinese citizen.

Speaker 13: April seventh, two thousand and nine, was the press conference

that we had to announce the indictment of Carl Lee.

It was the opportunity for mister Morgenthaw to show to

the world that this Chinese proliferator was sending material to

Iran that was going to kill people. He wanted an

indictment that said China is providing WMD to Iran.

Speaker 12: He wanted the world to sit up and take note

of this.

Speaker 1: Robert Morgenthal filed for the extradition of Carl Lee, who

was thirty six years old at the time.

Speaker 14: The big question is did the Chinese government know? After all,

Chinese banks were involved in some of these transactions. Chinese

companies have long been accused of using shell companies in

the United States Kitty Pilgrim Sierra New York.

Speaker 1: But the Chinese government appeared disinterested in the extradition attempt,

and Carl Lee was cautious. It's thought he left China

for business in Tehran on a direct flight. That way,

he wouldn't run the risk of being detained on a

foreign stopover, and delivered directly to the US.

Speaker 15: And I remember seeing his name a lot in US

documents and thinking, you know who is this guy? My

name is Daniel Salisbury. I'm a researcher at King's College

in London, where I research proliferation and arms exports and

arms and pargos.

Speaker 1: Daniel Salisbury is a researcher at the Department of War Studies.

The academics maintain good connections with Western intelligence agencies and

are often interested in the same things. Their specialty is

digging up information accessible to anyone but found by few.

Speaker 15: When you start looking at these cases, a lot of

information is kind of hidden in plain sight. So we

used help from some Chinese linquists and really started exploring

what was out there on the internet.

Speaker 1: The researchers used Chinese keywords to comb through commercial registers,

customs and court databases. In this way, Daniel Salisbury and

his colleagues were able to shed light on Carl Lee's

network of companies from their base in London.

Speaker 15: We found that most of his businesses were linked to

two addresses. So the usual mentioned appears to be a

large office block in downtown daim There's not quite a skyscraper,

but it is quite tall, has a lot of flaws

and I imagine this is the administrative part of the operation.

Working with our Chinese linguists we were able to find

some pictures of the outside of the building and get

a sense for what it looked like and what kind

of things could go on there. You know, a lot

of businesses were registered their administrative functions, including iron people

and that kind of things.

Speaker 1: They made another discovery one that totally changed their impression

of Carl Lee. One of the companies they were able

to attribute to him had a website and it showed

it wasn't just a dealer.

Speaker 15: You had a lot of product listings for various different

types of graphite. We actually realized that the address out

of town wasn't just a business address, a warehouse or

an office.

Speaker 5: But it was actually the large graphite factory.

Speaker 15: It really changed the scale of the problem in our mind.

You know, it was real kind of mind blowing discovery.

Speaker 13: Looking at the.

Speaker 15: Satellite imagery, it's a pretty big place. I think online

it was stating about eighty thousand square mesas well. It's

quite difficult to verify exactly what's going on inside those buildings,

but with a factory pumping these things out in China,

it becomes a completely different kind of problem.

Speaker 1: Following months of preparation, a fact finding mission to China itself,

in the city where investigators, spy agencies and the London

researchers believed Carl Lee was hiding. All the tracks left

by the world's most wanted arms dealer converged in this

city in Dahlian.

Speaker 5: Since as a field of film and.

Speaker 9: Many many companies with an alleged connection to Carl Lee

are registered in Dahlian Gestriat, we assumed that if we

were going to find him anywhere, and that's where he'd be.

Speaker 1: When the pandemic began, China cut itself off from the

rest of the world. The government expelled many foreign journalists

and stopped issuing visas for short term reporters. The only

way of getting closer to Karl Lee for this film

was to call on those who were long term residents

in China, in this case Christophe Geeson and Mattias Bullinger,

who's the camera man. The two begin their search for

a single individual in a metropolis of seven and a

half million.

Speaker 5: That's all tit is to feel.

Speaker 9: We tesked ourselves to visit many of the companies that

are or were registered there and find out what we

can actually see. Can we talk to vimkamand who might

provide us with the next set of clues. In this

puzzle laid out in front.

Speaker 5: Of us, Hutton.

Speaker 9: Vain vised we find clues that would ultimately verify his existence,

asked Boyd Vine. The first building we visit. It was

an office tower block more or less in the center

of Dahlim. The King's College report mentioned it as the

presumed center where Karl Lee's empire is very likely to

be based.

Speaker 5: Devashin Khali Akali's imperiums and it's hut.

Speaker 9: In the past, Carl Lei's companies are said to have

rented a whole floor there, the twenty fifth floor of

this building. So we took the lift up there.

Speaker 1: Kan Was he actually there in person? Did he have bodyguards?

Would he call the police at the end of the corridor?

Speaker 5: A surprise and THESEABOIDA hasn't done acht.

Speaker 9: There were eight offices or apartments. We knocked on every

single door incident, and no one had ever heard of

the businesses registered to that building.

Speaker 5: Golden at Niemutgerhut.

Speaker 9: The Trail of Nowhere, Arischpoenznichts.

Speaker 16: My name's Thomas countryman I was a Foreign service officer

for a total of thirty five years. From nineteen eighty

two to twenty eleven, I served in five different embassies

overseas at the United Nations, at the White House, at

the Pentagon, mainly focused on issues in Eastern Europe and

the Middle East.

Speaker 1: Countryman has served several presidents over his career. When it

came to US foreign policy, he was viewed as an

all rounder with a keen eye for detail.

Speaker 16: But then from twenty eleven to twenty seventeen, I was

the United States Assistant Secretary of State Proliferation.

Speaker 10: In short, the Bureau.

Speaker 16: Of International Security and Non Proliferation has a job that

we described as keeping the world's most dangerous weapons out

of the hands of the world's most dangerous leaders.

Speaker 12: And in that job, one of.

Speaker 16: My important tasks was to constantly raise with the Chinese

government our concern about the illegal exports of high tech

material that mister Lee was organizing from China to Iran.

Speaker 1: This building in Beijing's Diplomatic Quarter played a crucial role

here the Iranian Embassy.

Speaker 16: His usual means of contact was through the Iranian Defense

Attache in Beijing. The primary job of the Iranian Defense

Attache in Beijing is to acquire technology that is needed

for Iran's military programs.

Speaker 1: When Countrymen took up his post, Carl Lee had already

been doing business with Iran for a decade.

Speaker 16: The problem was that he had become, in essence, the

most valuable member of the Iranian ballistic missile team. So

you can't say that his arrest would have ended the

Iranian ballistic missile program, but we're convinced that it would

have slowed it down significantly. I spoke about him in

every conversation that I had with Chinese counterparts. We would

often see each other at the same meetings in New York,

in Vienna, in Geneva, but we also met in each

other's capitals in Washington and Beijing.

Speaker 1: The case put a huge strain on relations between the

two superpowers.

Speaker 6: They sort of washed their hands of it, saying, hey,

this is in China, this is some guy. But on

the other hand, were incredibly put out by US sanctioning

Chinese entities, So they sort of tried to have it

both ways, and so, you know, oftentimes the rhetoric could

get a little heated when it came to, you know,

them being upset about US sanctioning Chinese entities, including Carl Lee.

Speaker 1: But why was China doing nothing? The US had a

hunch they thought Carl Lee must have had powerful allies

within the Chinese government.

Speaker 16: Well, I believe it's difficult for a mid level official

in the Chinese government to stop him. If he is

well connected, if he's got lawyers, if he's got influence,

that is more resources than the Chinese mid level official

somebody like me can use against him. What concerns us

is that the officials above that level did not seem

to care about this sufficiently to take some action.

Speaker 1: After public prosecutors in New York. Now the FBI, America's

most powerful investigative authority, set its sites on Carl Lee.

Speaker 2: I think that the scope and scale of his sort

of operation really eclipsed any other type of case that

the FBI was familiar with at the time.

Speaker 1: The FBI assigned an entire group of investigators and analysts

to work on the case of the Chinese businessmen.

Speaker 2: I'd rather not talk about sort of the specifics of

who and how many were working on those, Like any

HR personnel issues are kind of off limits with intel stuff,

it can't be in like a documentary. But Carley was

a major focus and something that was a priority investigation

at the FBI, you know, for a number of years.

Speaker 6: When roughly the twenty fourteen time frame, not only had

Karl's activities you know, continued to develop and worsen, but

other options that other agencies were thinking about pursuing started

to become inviable. So, for example, there would be some

agencies that would you know, would like to try to

prosecute Karli in the US courts, and after a number

of years they sort of recognized that just wasn't going

to happen.

Speaker 16: It did become clear that we had both an obligation

and an opportunity with the Chinese government to press harder

to get the Chinese government to stop mister Lee from

exporting this technology to Iran.

Speaker 1: At the time, China was on the brink of a

new era. Chi Jingping took over the reigns of power

in twenty twelve. For the US, there's a chance to

shine a spotlight on the matter with Carl Lee.

Speaker 16: Included a diplomatic approach to China that emphasized not only

at my level, but at higher levels of the US government.

Speaker 6: The name has gone to President Obama. I'm also aware

that President Obama mentioned that name to the Chinese, you know,

specifically complained about it. Unfortunately, that did not result in

any real change in Carl's activities and behavior.

Speaker 1: The US government then launched a response of unprecedented scale

in the case of an arms dealer.

Speaker 16: We had several meetings, sometimes at the State Department, sometimes

at the Executive Office building next to the White House

that's part of the White.

Speaker 1: House, by agencies, investigating authorities, and several ministries joined forces

to plan a coordinated strike.

Speaker 6: There became sort of a Carle Blitz that was rolled

out by the Inner Agency. And so you saw, you know,

a US criminal indictment. You saw some additional sanctions, including

sanctions of new types coming out, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 16: It included the legal pressure of the FBI.

Speaker 2: So this was Carly's mistake that in his illegal transaction

he used the American financial system, and so this was

the lever that the FBI Department of Justice had to

pull and ultimately ended up seizing almost seven million dollars

of Carle's money.

Speaker 6: You saw, you know, a reward for his information leading

to his capture.

Speaker 1: The US announced a five million dollar bounty for information

leading to his arrest. Much like drugs Lord El Chapo

or Osama bin Ladin after his attacks on two US embassies.

Speaker 2: You know, if you look at sort of averages, you know,

you usually see you know, a million or so five

is high. It's significant, it means something, right, Yeah, it's

it's a lot of money.

Speaker 1: The next day, the Chinese government issued its first public

statement on the Karli case.

Speaker 12: Mayfa e Union.

Speaker 9: Shushut Energy.

Speaker 5: Mayfa even did the j.

Speaker 1: Beijing and Washington started openly trading blows.

Speaker 17: We are very clear about the activity that this individual

has undertaken and their threat to international stability and security.

And that's why we were very clear from the State

Department that we would offer a reward for information about

his whereabouts that could bring him to justice.

Speaker 13: If he's in China, what's the need to put this Well.

Speaker 17: As the release said, he's a fugitive right now, so

I'm not going to speculate on where he might be.

Speaker 1: On Capitol Hill, senators unleashed their fury.

Speaker 18: So the Chinese government says they can't figure this out.

They can't figure out how to shut him down. A

guy's like him. But the good news is they can

figure out other things.

Speaker 10: In China.

Speaker 18: They figured out how to arrest five women who belonged

to a feminist organization.

Speaker 10: Last year.

Speaker 18: They figured out how to jail forty four journalists.

Speaker 10: Last year.

Speaker 18: They figured out how to put twenty seven thousand Muslim

minorities in the Wiga region in prison.

Speaker 10: Last year. They could figure that out.

Speaker 16: But they can't figure out mister Lee has money and lawyers,

and the wigers and the women's and goos and the

others do not. The Chinese government has demonstrated that it

has the authority and the capability to put out of

business anyone that it wishes to put out of business.

Speaker 1: And then suddenly a website appeared online about Lee Fung Wei,

alias Carl Lee. The administrators said their aim was to

spread information about him. The page included drawings of Carl

Lee's face, photo montages, and articles in English, Chinese and

Arabic about his alleged complicity in the suffering of thought

thousands of children in them any civil war where Irani

and missiles are being deployed, and about arms deeels. But

who's responsible for the website? It's a course project, right

the administrators who are evidently students, a lecturer gave them

the idea.

Speaker 2: I can't imagine there's too many classes out there that

are teaching Carl Lee. It's a very bizarre sort of topic,

a little as a you know, a little kind of

out there, and I feel like myself and my colleague

probably know all the people that are teaching on CARLEI,

and they have no idea what this.

Speaker 10: You know, who has created the site? I'm Jeff Stein.

Speaker 3: I've been covering national security issues for about forty years now,

and that followed my own service in the Army as

an Army intelligence case officer, where I began to get

insights into how the clandestine mentality worked, and that served

me well over the years. I was with Newsweek for

many years in the Washington Post, and now, in my

semi retirement, I am the founding editor in chief of

spy Talk, a website that covers intelligence issues. I think

I first heard about him in around early twenty fifteen.

I began to hear of sanctions being applied to this

fellow who we call Carl Lee or Lee fung Way.

So I began looking into it, and I found that

federal officials were more than happy to brief me and

let me know what was going on, and I wrote

a major story for Newsweek.

Speaker 1: The title of his article how China helped Iran go nuclear.

It shared a number of details from intelligence agency sources.

Speaker 3: He liked luxury cars, but I was told also that

he was sort of a stay at home guy.

Speaker 10: He didn't go far from Dag.

Speaker 3: Yet we didn't learn a lot more about him, except

that we did have a stringer go there and do

some reporting on him to locate his offices in his home,

so we knew he was there, We knew he existed,

but we couldn't gather any more information on him.

Speaker 10: Then came the Trump administration.

Speaker 13: I'm angry when China's making five hundred billion dollars a

year and shucking our our jobs and sucking our money

out of our country and we don't do anything about it.

Speaker 3: The Trump administration was on a campaign to blame China

for everything, and as part of that, some White House

officials summoned me to come down to the White House

and discuss the case of Theliflung Way.

Speaker 10: And that was in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 3: And certainly the Trump White House well knew my feelings

about its foreign policy, which were negative, and I often

had testy exchanges with the White House spokespeople when I

called them for a comment on something, so that they

reached out to me to talk about this case and

invite me down to the White House or the adjacent

old Executive Office building.

Speaker 10: The talk was quite unusual. I was very amused by that,

but we were on the same page with that issue

with the liflong way.

Speaker 1: While the White House launched a Karl Lee pr offensive,

the threat posed by Iranian missiles was thrust into sharp

focus in late twenty seventeen, Trump's UN ambassador briefed the

media standing in front of the wreckage of a ballistic

missile fired on Saudi Arabia by Iran's allies in Yemen.

Speaker 19: The missile's intended target was the civilian airport in Rheai,

through which tens of thousands of passengers travel each day.

Just imagine if this missile had been launched at Dallas

Airport or JFK or the airports in Paris, London or Berlin.

That's what we're talking about here, That's what Iran is

actively supporting on your way.

Speaker 1: Initially, many wondered whether the US was once again telling

the same old story, just as they had done before

the Iraq War. From the presenting alleged evidence of Saddam

Hussein's WMD program, the State Department the department, but the

experts were certain security.

Speaker 8: The missile and its configuration was precisely what we knew

from Iran, what Iran had very proudly unveiled a few

years ago in several videos and presentations.

Speaker 1: One of the pieces of wreckage betrayed some information the

logo of a certain Iranian arms company, one of Karl

Lee's most important clients. The attack on Riod marked the

start of a whole series of strikes which continued to

this day.

Speaker 5: We see them using those missiles.

Speaker 20: We've seen them using them in Iraq, We've seen them

using them in Saudi Arabia, in Syria, where they've had

significant impact. We see also Iran proliferating these missiles across

the region. So for example, Lebani's has Belah is the

most popular proxy, most popular customer of Iranian missiles. But

also now the Hufi's and Yemen have been using to

a really significant extent Iranian missiles.

Speaker 1: And when Iran and the US edged close to war,

Iranian missiles were a significant factor.

Speaker 20: The One attack that stood out in recent years was

the Iranian attack on the Iraqi bases hosting US forces

in January twenty twenty. Iran had launched a dozen missiles

targeting these sites. It was extremely dangerous. It did result

in over one hundred traumatic brain injuries among US service members.

Had this strike resulted in US fatalities, we would have

seen a much more significant US response than really we

had seen in the past years. And I don't know

how far the esc lationis spiral would go down.

Speaker 1: One thing is certain. Without Karl Lee's help, Iran's ballistic

missile program wouldn't be where it is today. But what's

the Chinese government saying? The chance of finding an answer

is highest outside of China. The Munich Security Conference an

annual gathering for leaders and state ministers, military officials, and

spy agency chiefs from all over the world. In February

twenty twenty, the guest list included one of China's highest

ranking politicians, Foreign Minister Wang Yi, whose ministry had been

negotiating with the US over Karl Lee for two decades.

Speaker 12: Here, how are you.

Speaker 2: Thank you so, mun.

Speaker 4: Friend? Why for?

Speaker 1: During their time in Munich, Wang Ye and other guests

from less democratic nations had to endure something that would

never be allowed back home, uncomfortable questions from reporters.

Speaker 10: That's a question, man.

Speaker 9: The question is, why don't you tell mister lefan Way

also known as ky Lee, is on the FBI most

Wanted list.

Speaker 3: For sure?

Speaker 18: Home can.

Speaker 1: The groundless charge? The Chinese Foreign Minister's response.

Speaker 11: China doesn't admit, of course, providing any missile related materials

or components to Iran, so it's a little bit hard

to have hard evidence here. My own suspicion is that

they find themselves to have something of a coincidence of

interest in that trade.

Speaker 1: Carl Lee's businesses align with chi jinping strategy. He views

his nation as the second remaining superpower, soon to outstrip

the US economically and militarily. Chinese strategists believe a strong

Iran would benefit China in this regard.

Speaker 11: To complicate US strategy in the Middle East, perhaps encourage

Western governments to become more distracted by Middle Eastern problems

and less worried about what might be happening in the

Indo Pacific that China might be.

Speaker 5: So that's very convenient for them.

Speaker 1: For example, in case China decides to carry out its

threats one day if military maneuvers turn into war and

the People's Liberation Army launches an invasion of Taiwan. But

just where is the man who's become a key figure

in the struggle of the superpowers of the past years

and decades. The reporter team in China is on its

way to one of the most crucial companies in Carl

Lee's network, the Dalian Karut Industry. The business is registered

to this building.

Speaker 5: It's va.

Speaker 9: It wasn't in office, it was just a regular Chinese compound.

Speaker 1: The the company really does exist. There's documented evidence of

its exports. It even won a court case against a

supplier who was in breach of contract. But the door

is opened by an old woman holding a knife. She's

been chopping vegetables.

Speaker 5: That's with frak vuziden hair came to the Halo Jiao.

Speaker 9: When we asked the woman where she came from, raq

she said Helong Jiang did. And when we asked which

region exactly and mentioned the name Chaha Yana, she said, yes,

that's precisely where she came from.

Speaker 11: Is mocked.

Speaker 1: Chaha yang the small agricultural township where Carl Lee is

thought to have spent his childhood more than a thousand

kilometers from Dallian.

Speaker 5: That's is sure.

Speaker 9: Now, that's a very very remarkable situation to find someone

in another province that comes from precisely this place with

around ten thousand inhabitants.

Speaker 1: Stumped, how is she connect to Karl Lee? Did she

just let him use her address? Maybe she's known him

since he was a child from their homeland in the

far North.

Speaker 5: I'd finach khli frakten.

Speaker 9: When we asked about Carl Lee, her response was that

she didn't know how to contact him to Then, relatively

quickly she referred to her age, telling us she was

over eighty, and then it was our job to find

him in Sophieton.

Speaker 1: To this day, this apartment here is the official HQ

of Dallian Cairot Industry, at least that's what it says

in the Chinese company's register. In this story, every answer

leads to even more mysteries, such as the question of

who's behind the website? Who is Lee fang Wi. One

thing we do know the administrators don't want anyone to

know who they are. They've opted for an anonymous domain registration.

The content of the site is increasingly strange and elaborate.

The message of this comic is the unscrupulous and profit

hungry arms dealer Carl Lee has nothing to fear from

investigators and prosecutors because he can always hide behind the

Chinese state.

Speaker 15: It's incredible, right. I don't think we've ever seen that

kind of thing done with a proliferator either. I mean,

it looks fairly sophisticated and well thought out. It seems

like someone has put some resources into this, and I

get a sense reading it as well, and having seen

various Chinese comics that the Chinese government has used to

talk to people about national security issues in China, it

looks like someone has seen those and thought, Okay, this

maybe is a good way to talk to a Chinese audience.

Speaker 1: And then suddenly a possible lead to the website creators

does crop up on this Facebook profile. The owner of

the profile seems to be studying international security in Germany

and admits that the who is liefang Wei website is theirs.

They are evidently studying in Heidelberg. In any case, they

liked many sites connected to the university there and Heidelberg's

student life The strange thing is at Heidelberg University, no

one's heard of a student called Chung Zing Boa, never

mind an internet site or study project about a Chinese

arms dealer. Neither relevant professors nor student representatives.

Speaker 13: Through our analysis of bank records and our analysis of emails,

we saw that he was doing a lot of business

in Euros. We did see that a lot of those

payments cleared through Frankfurt, and so we decided that we

would go try to encourage the Germans to take an

action similar to what we had done. So we went

over to Germany. We had put together a book, a

dossier of the euro payments that we had knowledge of.

So we were showing the originating bank, the parties, the dates,

and the banks that were processing the payments through Europe

and specifically the German banks that were clearing the payments.

And we went over to Bond and we met with

a woman, a federal prosecutor in charge of sanctions enforcement

in Germany, and we met with a team of UH

investigators from the federal police and we we presented our

information to them.

Speaker 12: We had a good meeting.

Speaker 13: They asked the right questions, They were clearly thinking about it,

and then the sort of team of police investigators took

us out for dinner and beers. We had a nice

German dinner we had. I think I think that I

recall brought worst a bunch of beers. Uh and then uh,

you know, and then they excused themselves, and I think

my colleagues and I stayed out a little bit longer

as we might. From our perspective, nothing ever came of it.

There was never a sort of a similar prosecution of

Carl le that that never that never happened.

Speaker 1: There's one more lead on the ominous website to an

Arab Facebook group linked to the site. It's administrator's name

Kareem Mostapha. It looks like they're also studying in Germany

and living in Berlin. Strikingly, the profile is structured precisely

like that of Jangzeng Boa. Both have nondescript profile images

with glasses and a book, and both were first active

on Facebook within two days of each other. Something else

they have in common, they're both untraceable. These apparent students

aren't registered with authorities in Berlin or Heidelberg. It's as

though they don't really exist at all.

Speaker 15: The fact that these people are ghosts and basically don't exist.

Would fit with a theory of this being run by

a state.

Speaker 2: It leads us to think that, you know, perhaps this

is you know, a government operation. It might maybe a

government operation too to try to sort of get the

word out about.

Speaker 15: Carly, especially in the states that spend a lot on

intelligence and have you know, many thousands of people working

in this area. It's quite possible that there's someone in

an office somewhere whose job it is to run these

kinds of operations, you know, maybe against Carli, but also

against other narco traffickers or other non state threats as well.

Speaker 1: So the site could be the work of spy agency personnel.

Speaker 15: It's quite possible that people making those videos know something

about him and have a good sense of how he

might react to something like that, and you know, it's

obviously a very targeted.

Speaker 1: Thing to do in spy speak, information operations or I own.

Speaker 2: There's also sort of maybe also a name and chame

sort of component, you know, maybe get under his skin

a little bit, The idea of you wered of like

tickling the wire, right, so you know, maybe sort of

doing something to cause a reaction, right that you can

perhaps monitor better or enhance your own information by doing that.

Speaker 15: Just to sort of think, Okay, maybe Kovenment taxpayers dollars

somewhere or are going into the making of these falting

pig videos, you know, is really something strange to see.

Speaker 1: Of all the possibilities, too, nations stand out.

Speaker 15: Probably the countries that seem to have had the biggest

interest in Cali, so that that would be the US

or probably Israel.

Speaker 1: Israel would be the most plausible. The nation's intelligence services

are known for unconventional cyber operations, and no country faces

a greater threat from Iranian missiles, a threat that's continued

to grow over recent years, also because of the activities

of Karl Lee. This is particularly evident in the north

in the Golan Heights. Israel captured this territory from Syria

in nineteen sixty seven and has occupied it ever since.

The Rocky Plateau is of strategic importance for Israel to

monitor one of their bitterest enemies, Hesbelah, which holds positions

to the north of here. In Lebanon, Army spokesperson Jonathan

Conricus was stationed here for a long time.

Speaker 21: What you see behind us is really think of it

as a highway as a smuggling highway for Iran by

which Iran transfers missiles, component infrastructure, machinery to produce or

to convert all that is transported from Iran Iraq via

Syria and the very areas that you can see close

to the Syria and Lebanese border.

Speaker 1: For years now, Iran has been trying to supply its

Hesbela allies in Lebanon with precision missiles. Based on what

we know, Carl Lee's businesses have been instrumental in the

development of these very same projectiles.

Speaker 21: What Risbala will try to use their precision guided missiles

for the most sensitive and high value targets like our port,

our airport, government facilities, hazardous materials.

Speaker 1: The entire nation became aware of the existential nature of

this threat in connection with the port city of Haifa,

where thousands of tons of ammonia were stored. If the

chemical were to be released somehow, that would potentially risk

hundreds of thousands of lives, something the leader of Hezbollah

knew only too well.

Speaker 21: Hassan Asala has said, without any shame, Yes, I will

aim for the ammonium container in Haifa. I will try

to strike it, and I would try to kill as

many civilians as possible.

Speaker 12: Z hawiyat ammonia Haifa nat.

Speaker 21: So that's the meaning of the enemy that we're dealing with.

Speaker 1: The ammonia that in Haifa was emptied following this threat

from the leader of Hezbollah, but there are other chemical

plants in Israel that could be a target for Iranian

precision guided missiles. Also, because for years Carl Lee supplied

navigation instruments to Tehran and all Western spy agencies could

do with look on powerlessly from the sidelines.

Speaker 10: The euphacials, I remember, were very angry.

Speaker 3: Maybe that was just a Trump motif, because they were

always angry about China, blaming China for this, and that

they were at a campaign against China.

Speaker 10: So I wrote the story.

Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, Jeff Stein published an article in Newsweek

on new Donald Trump sanctions against Carl Lee and on

the authorities cold fury with the Chinese government.

Speaker 10: They said to me, this is just the start these

new sanctions. We're going to do more. We're going to

really teach China a lesson. With leifong Wi.

Speaker 1: At about the same time, a member of the Trump

administration began denouncing Lee Fung Wei alias Carl Lee and

China's government on Twitter. It was the Assistant Secretary of

State at the time, Christopher Ford.

Speaker 11: Leifung Wi was for a long time that perhaps the

most notorious of the proliferation traffickers in China, and nothing

ultimately was done. It continued to be a problem for

a very long time. When I was in government, we

stepped up that pressure on China, trying to get them

to pay more attention to it.

Speaker 1: The Trump administration started ramping up the pressure on both

China and Iran at the same time. The latter country

was the responsibility of Brian Hook, a hardliner and close

presidential confidante. He was a US Special representative for Iran

at the time.

Speaker 22: The Iranian regime has been chanting death to America. Iran

has been very successful at its mission to try to

terrorize the Middle East. It is a corrupt religious mafia

that has really impoverished its own people in order to

fund an ideology that they export around the world. What

is different about this administration's approach is that we are

putting in place a pressure campaign that doesn't have any

historic precedent.

Speaker 1: But strangely, Brian Hook remained tight lipped over the man

who was probably the most crucial foreign supplier to the

Iranian missile program.

Speaker 22: I don't have anything any comment on Carl Lee. Don't

have anything. I don't have any new information to share

with you on that.

Speaker 1: It was mid twenty nineteen when all of a sudden

silence fell over Washington.

Speaker 10: Well we haven't heard anything since, said, so what's going on?

Speaker 1: Assistant Secretary of State Christopher Ford also suddenly stopped commenting

on Carl Lee.

Speaker 11: We decided to stop tweeting. That's about all I can say.

Speaker 5: Okay, okay, that's not helpful.

Speaker 10: I understand the silence was deafening.

Speaker 5: As they say it was.

Speaker 10: It's a mystery to me.

Speaker 3: And then I, you know, tracked these same officials a

couple of years later.

Speaker 10: Everyone's a while would call say, yeah, what's going on. Well,

they're not talking about it.

Speaker 3: Officials are reticent to talk about him at all, or

they have memory loss, they suddenly can't remember.

Speaker 10: I have to remind them, you know car Lee, the Chinese,

Oh that guy, you know.

Speaker 3: So they're not talking about car Carle may not even

be on their mind at all. And if he is

on their mind, they're not making a public what they're doing, and.

Speaker 1: Then the website who is Lee Fong Wai went offline?

What's happened to Carl Lee? On the investigative trail in China,

the team travels northwards from Dallian. It's thought that Carl

Lee's graphite factory is located one hundred kilometers from the

port town. This according to information unearthed by researchers at

King's College in London. The factory that distinguishes Carl Lee

from many others in his particular line of work, the

one that makes him both a trader and a manufacturer. Welcome,

reads the word on the chimney and the name of

the company, Sinotech Carbon. The company has existed since two

thousand and six. A quarter of the shares belonged to

Carl Lee and the rest belonged to his younger brother,

Lee Fangdong.

Speaker 9: Tfnaturally, the question was, of course, is it an industrial

ruin down of us? Is there anything left of it

art or are graphite products still being actively produced there?

Speaker 5: Ti Understudd.

Speaker 1: A question that can only be answered in close quarters.

Speaker 5: The maziestimkoboid in niets.

Speaker 9: When you approach the building It almost feels like an

industrial ruin a complex where you get the sense that

nothing's happening there anymore. But then you spot areas with

the latest surveillance technology, loads of cameras watching anyone approaching

the site of the factories fabrikt.

Speaker 1: The investigation could be brought to an abrupt end at

any moment, but instead the opposite happens.

Speaker 5: Kandas Fabriklendo Problemos.

Speaker 9: Bughin you can easily enter the plant grounds. The gates

are open. Interestingly that there was no one there to

speak to at the.

Speaker 5: Time dom Di Monhete Schwechhenkun.

Speaker 1: On the site of a factory owned by one of

the world's most wanted men. And indeed there are tons

of graphite here, the materials so urgently needed by Iranian

missile engineers and supplied to them in huge volumes by

Carl Lee.

Speaker 5: Komos.

Speaker 9: And it seems dilapidated. But it's not the case that

there's no longer anything there. Production and is clearly going

on in one section of the industrial site.

Speaker 5: Zanzid does that. Let's take a fairly.

Speaker 9: Considering this is supposed to be the most dangerous arms

dealer in the world. The FBI has put a five

million dollar bounty on this man. And suddenly you arrive

at what's supposed to be the hub of his entire empire,

and you think, wow, so this is the most dangerous guy,

and here it looks like we're out in the middle

of nowhere. Then you do start to wonder, does all

this really out of pasta sam.

Speaker 1: The two men still have two cards up their sleeve,

two telephone numbers from Carl Lee's closest circle. So as

not to jeopardize the filming, they make the calls after

the factory visit.

Speaker 9: Van Dong is the fun Le fung Weifang Dong is

the younger brother of Lee Fung Wei. That was really

quite a remarkable telephone call because he just confirmed many

details for us. He said, yes, they did business with

Iran in the past, but that they no longer do.

A second thing he said was that the factory is

still active and their products are still being manufactured there.

So he confirmed what we saw on the site and

said that unfortunately we wouldn't be able to meet his brother.

Then we called another numbers he had. There had been speculation,

primarily in the King's College research report, that this could

lead us to the older brother of the.

Speaker 5: Family, Familia sim Kun. When we asked him about.

Speaker 9: Lefang Wei as alias Carl Lee, he said he couldn't

reach him himself at the moment.

Speaker 1: Where is Carl Lee and why is no one in

Washington talking about him anymore?

Speaker 3: At the beginning of the Biden administration, I have made

some sort of gentle inquiries about Carl Lee and zero

zip not silence. You know, I'm a former intelligence case officer.

I've been covering the CIA and other intelligences for years.

Speaker 10: So I wondered, well, maybe we doubled Lee fung Way.

Maybe he's our guy.

Speaker 1: Now, Carl Lee a double agent betraying his own business

partners to the enemy. It's a bold theory, but there

certainly have been such cases in the past.

Speaker 10: I mean, I have no evidence of that whatsoever, but

that's the way my mind works.

Speaker 3: I mean, I couldn't find any other logical explanation of

why the US would suddenly go silent about Leifong Wi.

Speaker 10: But he wouldn't have a very long life in China.

Speaker 3: I mean, CIA's operations in China, from public reporting we know,

have been a disaster. There's security lapses allowed dozens of

CIA sources in China to be rolled up and thrown

in jail or executed.

Speaker 1: So and then a new lead appears online for thirty

one minutes in the Chinese edition of Wikipedia. In the

article on Lefangwei. The version history reads on the eighth

of January at twenty twenty one, at six fifty eight am,

an anonymous user added the following passage. In April twenty nineteen,

Lee fang Wei was detained by the police on suspicion

of smuggling goods and articles banned from import and export

by the state. In late twenty twenty, Lee was held

in pre trialed attention in the city of Dallian. At

seven twenty nine am, the passage was removed by the

same user. The reason provided that the information had not

come from a reliable source, is that the answer that

he's in prison, But then why is the FBI still

trying to track him down with a five million dollar bounty.

There's still one address to check out. The last on

the list the headquarters of a company sixty percent of

which is still owned by Carl Lee personally.

Speaker 5: In Dezeon.

Speaker 9: In this garbage field compound, there's a company that's still

active Filmady Hoktefist.

Speaker 1: It's called Dallian Trust Industry and has made millions in sales.

Official customs data show that components for nuclear reactors have

been exported from here.

Speaker 5: I'd sad on clean tab.

Speaker 9: When we first rang the bell, no one came to

the door, so we checked with the house next door

to make sure we got the right address, and they said, yes, yes,

that's correct, but we should go around the back, as

the neighbor might be in the garden.

Speaker 5: But EVENTU gotten sign.

Speaker 1: Could it be right here? The answer to everyone's questions.

Speaker 5: Viacomdom.

Speaker 9: We went around the back and asked about Carl Khali.

We're looking for a man named leifang Wi.

Speaker 10: Do you know him?

Speaker 8: I may have heard of leifang Wai. Isn't he in prison?

Speaker 16: Where?

Speaker 9: What do you mean he's in prison? Is he in trouble?

Speaker 19: Yes?

Speaker 9: He was jelled for a few things.

Speaker 5: You know what I mean?

Speaker 8: I think he's in prison.

Speaker 9: And suddenly he asked why we wanted to know, And

a short time later our conversation with him.

Speaker 5: Was overdem for buye mde Gansen for mind Breau address and.

Speaker 9: Visiting the supposed office addresses of Cara Lei's companies in Dallian.

Do you get a sense that everything's totally.

Speaker 5: Off yes, absolute needs Yeah, as it does.

Speaker 9: Yes, these are private addresses. These people are private individuals, pensioners.

Speaker 10: Yeah.

Speaker 9: None of them are running any businesses.

Speaker 5: In Vina, the Ala Khanda films.

Speaker 9: They probably have no idea exactly what's being done.

Speaker 5: In their names. Baska now in yamnam Dot understate food.

Speaker 1: It sounds like the perfect cover, a defensive shield of

the unsuspecting, a labyrinth that swallows up anyone trying to

get near to Lee Fang Wei, to Carl Lee, to

Patrick David or Charles, to Sonny Bye or song Da Hi,

whatever he calls himself. But could the neighbors still be

right that the fifty year old is now in jail

because after two decades the Chinese government took him out

of commission. If anyone would know that it's Christopher Ford,

the senior official who suddenly stopped condemning Carl Lee and

the Chinese government on Twitter, was one of.

Speaker 10: The reasons that.

Speaker 5: He might have been arrested at that point in time

that you stopped tweeting.

Speaker 11: As I say, I'm not a positioned to talk about

any specifics with respector Carlee.

Speaker 1: Christopher Ford doesn't give a specific answer because recent developments

in the Carl Lee saga are classified, but his words

do hint at something.

Speaker 11: I always sort of suspected as we do attention to

Carl Lee. They if we were lucky, they would actually

stop some of the network. If we were less lucky,

they might still do something to him in a way

that would undercut our criticism and allow them to say

that this is not a problem and have US be

unable to contradict them.

Speaker 1: In the past, the US government would often secure concessions

from Beijing whenever the two nations discussed trade, and indeed,

during the period in question, Chinese Head of State Xi

Jinping called on Donald Trump to avert the imposition of

new heavy goods tariffs. Beijing did make some concessions at

the time, with indications that the arrest of Li fang

Wei might have been one of them. But even if

that's true, has the problem been solved? Is the world

a slightly safer place?

Speaker 11: For a long long time, lefung Wei was sort of,

as we say, the poster child for the proliferation problem.

But I should say if Lifung Wei were hit by

a meteorite tomorrow, the proliferation problem would not evaporate. These

are fairly well established institutions that appear to have some

degree of official at least protection and perhaps permission to

do this.

Speaker 1: It's thought his network continues to be active with or

without him.

Speaker 15: This is a very kind of murky area, and it's

it's something that we may hear about laser or you

may never hear about it, you know, even when the

archives are opened in thirty forty years time.

Speaker 10: This is kind of just the typical.

Speaker 2: Carlee story, right, It's just kind of more strange weirdness.

Speaker 5: Day after day, a.

Speaker 1: Last ditch attempt, another call to the younger brother's number.

Where is Carl Lee? In one out of the.

Speaker 5: Eating Tea, the number you have dialed is not in service.

Speaker 1: In one out of the line eating the number you

have dialed is not in service.

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