The Murder of Ajike Owens

This week Amanda and Lauren discuss The Murder of Ajike Owens and "The Perfect Neighbor" Sources:

• Netflix documentary: The Perfect Neighbor
• Office of the State Attorney, Fifth Judicial Circuit, Florida Press Release: “State Attorney Announces the Filing of Criminal Charges for Shooting Death of Ajike Owens
• CNN: “A Family Torn Apart by Gun Violence Works to Turn Trauma into Hope, Prevention, and Support for Others” by Chris Boyette
• CBS News: “White Florida Woman Sentenced to 25 Years for Fatally Shooting Ajike Owens, Her Black Neighbor” by Emily Mae Czachor
• CBS News: “Florida Woman Who Fatally Shot Neighbor Called Victim’s Children the “N-word” and “Black Slave,” Arrest Report Says” (No Byline)
• WCJB20 (Local ABC Affiliate): “Susan Lorincz Threatens Defamation Lawsuit Against AJ Owens’ Mother, Children” by Ryan Wyatt Turbeville and Kayla Lewis
• NPR: “Jury Convicts White Florida Woman in Fatal Shooting of Her Black Neighbor” by The Associated Press
• Yahoo/US Weekly: “What We Know About Susan Lorincz’s Job: Was the Subject of ‘Perfect Neighbor’ Documentary a Doctor?” by Russell Steinberg
• People: “4 Surprising Details The Perfect Neighbor Left Out About AJ Owens’ Tragic Death” by Christopher Rudolph
• Wikipedia

Speaker 1: Hi Warriors, welcome to aren't you worried? I'm your host

Lauren Perry, and joining me this week again is my

favorite sister in the world, Amelda. Amelda, how are you?

I'm good? Thank you. Amelda is a you know, like

a Starbucks you give a name and they spell it wrong.

I got Amelda once. Amanda's not hard to spell. It's

just all a's basically. But I have a question about

your name. Yeah, at what point when we were growing up,

did you want to throat punch me for calling you

a man? Uh? Oh, by the time you were saying it,

people have been saying it at school for a long time. Oh,

it was more of like a you were like I

have to hear it at home too. Yeah, And then

I was kind of like, why would my parents nay

me something with a man in it? That's just so

be us. Oh yeah, well I was going to be Alan,

so yeah, it's fine. That would have been fun. I

think I was gonna be Daniel. You were going to

be Daniel. Would have been Daniel and Alan Robert. Yeah, yeah,

did you know fun fact for all the people into

this podcast, Yeah, what's up? Brock Turner's middle name is Alan,

and now he goes by Alan Turner. Shut the fuck up?

Are you serious? I am serious. I learned that this week.

If anyone cares, I have the next two hundred episodes planned,

they're just not in the correct order. She does. Because

sometimes I get halfway through a case and I'm like,

I don't want to tell the story this week, and

then I switch it up. More than once when we

were doing this every week together, I would tell you,

like in the days leading up, like I don't I'm

gonna tell a different story. Yeah, I don't want to either.

I don't want to do this one. I can't find

enough information on this under conclusion whatever. Yep, yeah, so

I get it. I remember very early on when we

started most wanted, when it was just you doing cases,

that I didn't get it. And then it took me

about like three episodes into being like, I know, want

to do this one right now, like and it's it's

never the ones I think totally. There's someone that I

was like really interested in doing, and then I would

try to write them and be like, no, yeah, it's

gonna happen. Yes, I have one that I want to

tell so bad, and I'll just it's Dalia Dippolito. I

want to tell it so bad, and every time I

sit down to write it, I fucking can't. Yeah. Sometimes

it's like I don't want to say it's like the

really bad ones. They're all bad, yeah, like or like

famous ones. I have struggled with the bit yeah, because

I at least I'm at I mean, it's the same

for you really want to do them justice, yes, And

I feel like if I don't have the time to

do it, yes, Oh my gosh, I have so many,

so many structures that I just feel like, like I

am going to tell it by the end of this year.

But the Cassie Joe Stoddard case, they just came out

with a new documentary, h and I feel like hoppy

since we aren't since this podcast doesn't follow documentaries. Yeah,

I feel like that. Now I kind of want to

give it some time because this brand you know, this

brand new thing just came out and I don't want

people to be like, oh, she's just hopping on the bandwagon.

I've already wanted to do that for so long and

I always want to do it in the month of

October because they kind of pulled from scream and there's

like this whatever yep, but yes, and I'm just like not,

we'll see, that's so a little ways away. That's true.

And like same with like the Crash, like I've wanted

to tell I wanted to tell that when like I

was watching Mean Girl Murderers way before the Crash documentary

came out on Netflix. And now I'm like, damn it

because now everyone's on it. Yes, and yeah, there's just

so many more eyes on it now that if I

don't do it too the best of whatever, there's just

gonna be a lot of you know, I get it. Yeah,

So anyways, how are you good? Good? Yeah? Have you

watched anything new? Obviously we covered heated rivalry. Oh you

haven't seen Off Campus yet? That's right, seen off Campus

yet because you'll see all these books behind me. I

have the full series on my shelf. The Off Campus

books are based on Yeah, and I've been told it

covers the first and second books, so I at least

want to be read the first one before I watched

the series. And I think I'll be able to do

all of that after my class end. Wonderful. Yeah, I

cried again. Did my fifth re watch last night? Cried again.

I kind of love shows that can do that. All Right,

we've been talking for twenty six minutes about not what. Okay,

did we get some good giggles and who knows is

probably gonna get cut down to ten minutes. So we

got some good giggles. Because I know that this one sucks.

This one does suck. I will say that it's so

you will be so incredulous at parts that it will

almost feel funny. Okay, but yeah, I dad was really

proud of me at the last episode that he was on.

I didn't say the F word one whole time. I

have some in the script, so I was gonna say

he was very proud of me. So maybe he won't

listen to this episode, which is fine, Okay, let's go.

Do you want to talk about being worried about anything

before I get? What I know about this case is

that I hate everything. Yeah, yep, that's accurate. Yeah, watching

the documentary again slower, like taking notes on it and

then like actually thinking about this. Yeah, it's it sucks

on a scale of Derek Chauvin to George Zimmerman. Where

do we hate this lady? Which one's the less hate?

It's just a flat line. She's just in the middle.

She's just right in the middle. Okay, perfect, Yeah, I

was gonna say, I guess I didn't give you a

good option. I'm so s I would say she's closer

to George Simmerman because of the why don't you have

an alarms off? Goodness? Because sorry, I'll say that sense again.

I would say she's closer to George Zimmerman because of

the facts and gotcha. Okay, I can say, okay, yes, right, Okay,

let's go. Okay. So I'm telling you the story of

the murder of Ajca Owens and she goes by aj

I kind of go back and forth in the script

between Ajica and aj Let's have a little bit of background.

Not a ton has been reported on the lives of

Ajica Owens and Susan. Susan Lawrence is the other person

that is going to come up in the story, Okay,

prior to the events of this story, but we get

some glimpses from the Netflix documentary and then what was

shared in court during the trial. So I'm going to

start with that stuff for background, and then I'll share

with you, like the chronological story. Okay, So let's first

talk about Aka so Aka Owens, who went by aj

was a single mother of four children, whose names I

am not going to use in this story. Wonderful some

of them are named in the documentary. I think they're

actually all named. I think they're named, yeah, but I

don't want to talk about them. If you want to

know their names, go watch the documentary. Yep, exactly, Yep.

She was the manager of a McDonald's restaurant, and she

loved sports, particularly football. At the point where the story begins,

she was no longer with the father of her children.

The youngest was quite young, he was like one or two,

so it had been a fairly recent split, is my understanding.

They had a very good co parenting relationship. He was

supportive of their children. The children loved him as a

dad like and he and Ajica had love for each

other clearly. So even though they weren't together anymore, it

wasn't like, nothing like super bad happened. He didn't abandon

them or anything like that. It was nothing like that. Sure.

Aj was known as a good friend, a good neighbor,

and a really good mother. The neighborhood where she and

her kids lived in Okalla Florida was family friendly and

the kids often Her kids often played with the other

kids in the neighborhood. There were a bunch of kids

that were around the same age. They ran around together

all the time. So they lived in what appeared to

be a neighborhood of town homes, slash duplexes and quad plexes.

It was kind of a mishmash is what it looked like.

Some of them had driveways, some of them had parking spots.

It kind of depended on the owner and what was

going on with the renting situation. I don't know how

big any of these places were on the inside, but

like I said, many of them had driveways and all

of the doors opened to the outside. It was Florida,

so it was like no inside hallways or anything opened

to the outside. Susan in particular, lived in a quad

So there was one, two, three, four. She was number three.

This was a building I would call it for town homes,

I don't, but like a quad plex. Basically, her place

had the front door, had a little patio that went

out to it, and there was like a half fence

kind of for privacy, but it was like an enclosed

front door or anything. And she didn't have a yard.

It was just like I think she had like a

serve parking spot. I think it was reserved. She made

it sound like it was reserved, and like a walkway

to the patio where her front door was, and I

think on the same patio was a sliding door that

went to her living room, would be my guess. Okay,

that one went too. So like I said, she had

no land, no property. She was renting the home, so

that is key this story. Yes, just past like that

patio and the path fence, there was what appeared to

be like an open lot which was owned by a

different person. It wasn't owned by her landlord, it was

owned by somebody else. I don't even think one person

owned the whole thing. I think people owned like different

pieces open lot and the big strip, the biggest part

of it was owned by one person, and he I

think lived in one of the buildings, like across the

lot from a. J and her kids lived in one

of the homes across the street from Sue in their

front door faced the open lot. Okay, but like on

the other side of the street. So Lauren, you remember

what it was like when we were home for the

summer and playing outside all the time. Then about it often, Yeah,

like we were just kind of running around. We played

with the neighbor kids. I in particular, one of our

neighbors was in my grade, so we were sometimes we

would go climb a bluff and not tell mom and

dad and then just like come down somewhere else and

come home before we were expected home. And like we

would just like do stuff and it was like the nineties.

But like I used to cut through people's yards to

get to my friend's house faster. Yep. Oh, yeah, we

didn't really care whose yard it was. I never was

yelled at. Yeah, we cut through lots of yards as well.

Same thing. Like sometimes I think at least once we

came down the bluff into someone's backyard, we were just

like whoops, I just kept going. It was Yeah, it

was definitely one of those things like I'll get off

your lawns, yeah leaving sorry. Yeah, But like you and

I thinking back on that, we grew up really lucky.

Not only did we have all this like outdoor space,

we have an extra lot yeah next to our house

that we would play in constantly. And that's what these

kids were doing. They didn't have yards, so they played

in this open lot yep. And when I say that

it was they'll just grass. Like. It wasn't like I

sometimes people think open a lot like a parking lot.

It wasn't that. It wasn't paved. It was grass and

I think there were some trees too.

Speaker 2: I think of and obvious, I'll have to cut this.

I think of the lot between days, uh huh, yeah,

but that's that's the Dolls property. But it was like

an open lot.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, totally yep. And there were times where the

kids that didn't have because we had this extra lot,

like they would come and play games in our yard

because Dad was like that's fine, like we have more

skirts about that. Yeah, like the older please cut the names.

The older kids like, yeah, they were teenagers. They would

sometimes play like football and stuff, and I forgot all

about the Yeah we were little, we were yeah, but

I do yeah yeah yeah yeah. Dad was like absolutely,

come from in our yard. He's like I'd rather basically,

I'd rather you play in the yard than in the

street or someone, right, you know, right, And that's kind

of what this felt like to me. The person who

owned most of that lot was like I would rather

the kids play here in the grass than be playing

in the street yep, or going somewhere that was less safe,

Like at least here they're in their own neighborhood. Yeah,

and for the most part, probably eyes parents have eyes

on them. Yeah or yeah yeah, yep. Yeah. So, like

the whole neighborhood would show up to play tag, kickball, football,

any number of games in that open lot. And like

I said, the owner was like, please play in the lot, Like,

I'd rather you be playing here. Have you said what

year this takes place? Oh, this is in a habit

it's uh two okay, so not that long ago. Nope.

So their kids, like I said, the neighborhood is very

family friendly. Everyone was fine with this arrangement, and the

parents would kind of take turns being outside with the

kids to watch them. Like for example, aj had like

a toddler, like a one or two year old that

she was often in the house with, but her old

her other kids were a little bit older, And there

were other parents that would be out and keeping track

of all the neighborhood kids and they were all all

the parents were friends. Everyone was It was a great situation. Yeah,

for these kids. To be growing up. Yeah, everyone was

great except for Susan. Susan hated this. So let's talk

about Susan. Do we have to this some of this stuff.

I'm gonna give you as much context as I feel

like is necessary, and then sure, only talk about Susan

in the most ridiculous of terms. Okay, Susan Lawrence, which

Lawrence is spelled like polish. Oh yeah, it ends in

like cz So I I'm pronouncing it Lawrence because that's

how it was pronounced on the documentary. Sure, she was

a white woman in her mid fifties who moved into

this lovely, family oriented neighborhood in O Califlorida sometime in

mid to late twenty twenty one, is what I'm guessing,

because people were saying that she was about two years

She started as a problem, stayed a problem. Yeah, basically, Yeah,

I don't know much about her background. At one point

she told the police that she had a doctorate and

she wanted to be referred to as doctor Susan Lawrence.

But there is no evidence that she was a medical

doctor or had any kind of doctorate, So there's no

corroboration from any journalist. So the best I could find

was that it is hypothesized that she worked in the

insurance industry because she would help people that she knew

with their insurance claims sometimes. But and then that allowed

her to work from home because she basically never left

her house. So that's all I really know about her background.

She was, like I said, she's in her mid fifties.

For a lack of a better term, she was a

hateful person. Yeah, she seemed to hate children, She seemed

to hate seeing people be happy and having a good time.

She just seemed like she hated everything that was outside

of her own life and her own perspective. And she

was a single woman in her mid fifties with two cats,

And that is not passing judgment. That is just like

she has gone without being partnered, without having anyone to

support her as well. Like, there are reasons probably that

led her to be hateful, but one of them is racism,

and we'll get to that. You'll see in a few

minutes that one thing she did not hate, though, was

calling the police, So we'll get into that in a

little bit. Can you be arrested for too many only

if they're false and have to be like obviously provably false.

It can't be like the perspective is a little different.

It has to be like false police reports have to

be like complete made up lies. Did you ever watch

nine one lone Star? Okay, never mind, then okay, Oh,

I'm pretty sure that there's a character Like obviously, they're

very quick. There's like three crimes in each episode. I'm

pretty sure that one of them is based on her. Oh,

it would not surprise me. Yeah, any yes, keep going. So.

Throughout the time that Susan was living in the same

neighborhood as Ajka Owens and her family, she built a

reputation of being completely inappropriate with the children of the neighborhood.

Great and I don't mean that and like you hear that? Yeah, way,

it's not that the kids reported that she called them names,

including the f slur, which could be one of two

different things. Like, I mean, if someone called my kid

a fucker, I'd be pretty upset and I'm gonna think

you're nuts. But if you call my kid the gay

f slur, I'd be really really pissed. One of them

is going to make me punch you, yes, and the

other on yeah, don't don't act my kid like that right, Yeah, totally, yeah,

and that's kind of how I took it too. Anyway,

she called them children, she called them bitches. They were

mostly black children. She called them slaves yep algica, and

her children were also black. That's part of this. Uh.

Susan at one point told the children not the field

they were playing in, wasn't the underground railroad? Like what

does it even mean, Susan? But go to school again.

That's it's so fun. That's an uneducated woman trying to

be trying to be racist but not understanding what you're

talking about. Yes, and these are like from the kids'

mouths to the police in different body can videos like yeah,

and there's other stuff that comes up later if stuff

goes on and on. Susan was just objectively a terrible

person in terms of personality. Yeah, she was a terrible

person at some time during her ongoing dispute with this

group of children. Police. Remember that she's in her mid

fifties and these children are probably arranging from ages I

would guess seven to fourteen, fifteen, great Yep miners. Sometime

during this ongoing dispute, Susan bought a gun and she

showed it to the kids at one point to scare them.

They also reported that to the police when they came

for one of Susan's many calls, which we'll get into.

Several children told the police at different times that they

were afraid to go near her door because they thought

she'd shoot them. And this is also open field that

is near her door. How many balls that we were

playing with winn in neighbors yards? A couple one through windows? Yeah,

like yeah, I know, yeah, that would be terrified, Like

that would think of like the sand Lot. That would

be so scary. Yeah, like the sandlot and that scary

dog when they would lose baseballs in the guy's yard,

Like that was the level that somebody these kids felt

because of Susan. That would be so scary. Yeah, And

I just said, like, what the fuck? We couple things. Yeah,

we are white presenting, so we do. We've always grown

up with a lot of privilege in that sense. But

we were also very lucky that we didn't have anything

like this. Yes, we didn't have any mean neighbors that

I can think of unless I'm missing someone, But there

were neighbors that we didn't understand as kids that I

was kind of afraid of. But yeah, but he also

had a little weirder dog named Cooter, so like you

could only be so scared. I forgot about Coon. But

there was a house. This is all not real. I'm

gonna preface this. But when my neighbor and I would

have to walk to the elementary school down the street,

I guess several streets away, there was one yard that

he and I would run past every day because there

was a rumor that that guy had a gun. I

have no idea where this rumor came from. It was

something that was spread around by the kids. I never

even saw that man, not once. Interesting, I know, and

like not true. We were less afraid of the gun

range than we were of that guy's house. That's crazy,

thinking back, that's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, but he probably

had so many kids walking by his house. Who knows

where that rumor came from. He might have yelled at

someone once and it just kings. Yeah, of course, I

mean he maybe he may be called someone a little

bit and all of a sudden he's ah, yep, all

of a sudden, he's got a gun. She's got a gun.

It's a letter, Lisa. Sorry sorry anyway, So this is

where we're at. We've got Asika, who was a great person,

had four kids, great mom, great member of the neighborhood,

everyone loved her. And then we've got Susan. He was

a shitty person. So let's talk about this grown ass

woman's ongoing dispute with a group of children. You're like,

I just continue. Yeah, So this story really starts in

February twenty twenty two, and my understanding, like I said,

is that Susan Lawrence moved into the neighborhood less than

a year prior to the beginning of this. Okay, I

don't know the exact date she I think she was

probably living in Okaala for a long time, but she

went into this neighborhood sometime prior to February twenty twenty two.

The first call to the police that I know about

occurred on February twenty fifth, twenty twenty two. So we're

going to start there, Okay. On that date, February twenty fifth,

twenty twenty two, Susan called the police to report that

children were trespassing on her property and that she'd been assaulted.

When the police arrived, the story that Susan told was

that Ajka. Although she I don't even think she knew

Ozuka's name. She never once set her name in the

entire documentary, she never once set her name right. Ashika

was walking her dog, which was a very cute doodle dog,

with her kids, according to Susan, on Susan's property. Okay

and Susan had put up a note trust passing sign

which Ajka had pulled out of the ground and hit

Susan with m That was the story that Susan told

the police, so when they approached Ajka, they were pretty accusatory. First.

Oshaka was amazingly calm during this police interaction. She explained

that she and her children were indeed walking their dog

through the open space that did not belong to Susan.

It belonged to a different man who said the kids

could be on it. The dog was on a leash

also like the dog was loose. Ashaka and Susan got

into some kind of verbal altercation about Susan's allegations that

they were trespassing on land she did not own or

even rent, write nothing to do with it, and Ajka

told the police that she picked up the sign and

then tossed it over her shoulder. She didn't throw it

at anyone. She tossed it over her shoulder. Sure, according

to the kids who were with and witnessed this, the

sign did not hit Susan. Kay. But Susan stuck to

that story to the very end, that she was assaulted

by Ajica with a no trustpasking set. What proof did

she have? I was gonna say, was there a red mark?

Was there? Okay? Nope, she had none. She showed the

sign to police. It was kind of I mean, it

did get tossed, Sure, was kind of worse for wear,

but it was one of those like cardboardy plasticy signs,

like even if you were hit with it, it's not

going to do like damage damage. So she probably wrote

off that she didn't have any marks or anything because

it was like a flimsy sign. No, sure, but it

wasn't assault. Yeah, it's also a false police report. Arrest

that woman. I mean, I agree with you, but that's

I know, I know because she's a white lady in Florida. Yeah. Basically,

Susan really said that she was standing ten to's down

on Ajika assaulting her with her trespassing sign while trespassing

on property that wasn't Susan's, correct, So that's that's that. Anyway,

the police took a report. They said they were writing

it up as a battery, you know, but they did

tell Ajka that the rental property is still in the

possession of the person renting it, so to stay off

her kids, Just stay off of Susan's like patio, stay

like away from the stuff that she actually was renting. Okay,

And I was never there to begin with, yep, And

so your point agrees with that. I'm not going next

to that crazy eighties she's like, sounds good. And police

tells Susan that she doesn't have the authority to ask

people to leave property that isn't hers. Yes, it was

a strange interaction, but overall kind of no harm, no foul,

The battery didn't go anywhere. They wrote it up as

like a battery accusation. Oh okay, yeah, kind of the

first glimpse into what Susan is. Like. Let's take a

quick break.

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Speaker 1: Notes, Why was I worried that Ashika was going to

get a charge when I know this ends? Aka is

not going to charge. I know that. I was like,

why am I scared? For? All? Is fine? I mentioned it?

Oh yeah, yeah, August fine. I made a comment say

why am I worried for Ajka? I was just thinking,

like in that specific scenario, I was like, oh no,

on top of that, like, no, babe, that's the least

of our problems. Okay. Yeah, Like they wrote it up

as like Susan's accusing her of battery and they didn't

have enough evidence. That's they're just taking a police report

and whatever. Okay, So now we're moving on to the

next police call that has been documented in the documentary. Yep,

it's from August tenth, twenty twenty two, approximately six months later. Okay,

so on that date, Susan calls nine on one again

when the police arrived to see what her complaint is.

She explains then that the children are preventing her from

the enjoyment of her property, which she says is a

law in the state of Florida. How they do that?

They're loud because they're kids. Yeah, basically what she's now

canceling headphones. But yeah, she can hear them screaming from

inside her house. Oh my, okay, yeah. The officer, I

don't know if it matters. It was a female officer.

The officer calmly tells Susan that that is a civil

law that she looked up and not a criminal law. Okay,

so the police or the sheriff's apartment cannot enforce that.

You have to file a civil lawsuit in order to

enforce civil law, Gorgeina. Yeah. Susan continues with her tirade

about the noise, the screaming, the playing near her house,

so she can't get any work done. Like you said,

noise canceling, have them, she says, it's too loud, they're obnoxious. Whatever.

The officer, again very calmly tells Susan that she'd rather

the children are screaming and playing than out committing crimes.

Retweet Yeah, like and I'm only laughing because like obviously. Yeah. However,

this does not appease Susan, who turns her back on

the officers, her annoyance clear. She walks away from them

and goes back into her house, just leaving the officers

there and the officers leave. Okay. Where Susan sounded ridiculous

during the first call and was clearly exaggerating about the sign,

this call was the first one that really showed who

Susan was as a person. Racist. Yes, she has no

respect for people unless they are able to do something

for her, which she'll continue to see throughout this story. Awesome,

shitty person from start to finish. So the other thing

you're going to notice, is I keep going, is that

these calls are getting closer together. Yep. There was a

little under six months between the first and second calls.

The third call was about four months after that. Okay,

So on December twenty second, twenty twenty two, Susan made

another nine one one call. She said that the kids

were screaming at her like idiots. That's her words. Can

I yeah, Can I ask a question? Yeah, and you

probably get into this. What does that mean? Screen? I

don't know, Okay, I don't get into it because she

never That's the thing about the rhetoric she uses. She

never explains what she means okay, which becomes very problematic

for her later on right, like she can't explain. For example,

she often will tell the cops that she is fearful

of the kids and their parents, but she can't tell

them why. She can't tell them what she's feeling other

than feeling fear. But she can't like describe what she's feeling,

and she cannot tell them why she's afraid, so she

just I think I get into this a little bit later.

It seems like Susan just believes that she's right and

she shouldn't have to explain herself just how it works.

That's just not how life works. She is one of

those people that I question, how did you make it

this far? Yes? Yes, if these are your issues, if

these are your problems, how did you get here? How

did you make it to fifty something years old? I know? Yeah?

So on the nine one one call where she said

they were screaming like idiots, she admits without being asked

by the dispatcher that she first called the children the

R word that I won't say, uh, the one the

antiquated word for having a developmental disability are being neuro diversion. Yeah,

yeah to kids. Yeah. So in this case, Ojaka was

with the kids when this occurred, and she yelled back

at Susan. According to Susan that Susan can't say that

to kids, she can't call the kids the R word

like that. Admits all this freely on the nine or

one call, and then she asks if there is anything

that she could do about these people. Ooh ooh, what

people Susan talk about Black people talk about children, talk

about black children? Girl, Yeah, that injury. Sometimes I will

catch myself saying these people as like yeah, whatever, and

I'm always like, I always go back to yeah, I

say too, yes, and it gives me the ick and

I want to take myself out every time. Yeah. Usually

if I'm saying these people, I'm not referring to like

a demographic, but I can, like I hear myself say it,

I'm still like, Yes, I was at work the other

day and I was talking about all the salespeople. Yeah,

like that's a job title. Yeah, and I was like,

I was like, oh, yeah, those people. And I was like, oh,

I know, I'm talking about like say that, not this specifically,

but say like college professors, like, oh those people. I'm

like yeah, I'm always just like take it back, yeah,

like I like that. I didn't mean it like that.

Uh anyway, anyway, then she says on the phone, it's

the quote that haunted me throughout the first watch, and

then I knew about it, so it continued to haunt

me for the second watch this documentary. And it's where

they took the name of the documentary from h. She said,

I'm like the perfect neighbor. You never or you barely

see me. Yeah. So officers arrive after she tells the

officers that there were lots of children screaming their full

heads off. That's a quote, Okay, The officers go to

speak with some of the children along with h. I

think it was, yeah, a parent that was outside. I

wrote a dad, but I can't remember if this was

a dad or not. It was a parent that was

outside watching the kids. Sure, as happens, I do have

to give a lot of credit to these neighborhood parents.

There is always someone outside. There's always a parent that

seems to have like witnessed all this stuff, and they're

very responsive to the police, and they tell on Susan

from the very beginning. All of these parents, all these kids,

they're consistent as you should qua yes, and Susan is

the one who changes her story every time. Yes. So

this parent who isn't named in the footage, neighborhood parent

tells officers that everyone on the block has yelled at Susan,

who she calls this lady because of the way she talks.

Who yells at the children. Yeah, Susan would strategically park

her truck not in her spot, but where like in

front of where the kids are playing in that open field,

and then she will from inside her house set her

truckle arm off, so she has an excuse to come

outside and yell at the kids because she tells them like,

you're too close to my truck. That's why the alarm

is going off, which is she's setting it off from

inside the house. And the parents know that because they

were they thought that's what was happening, so they called

the kids out. No one is in the field, and

she came out at one point with the alarm going off.

What uh yep. So she often accused the kids of

messing with her truck or trying to steal her truck.

That comes up in a later call as well. Allegedly

your truck's windows would be bashing if I lived in

that neighborhood. Yes, yep. Yeah, uh, police, it's at least

on this called most of the calls, but at least

on this call, like they have Susan's number. They clearly

believe the kids and the other adults over Susan because

their stories are all consistent and yeah, without having like

really discussed it with everybody else, and Susan's just don't match, right,

doesn't make sense. So they went back to tell Susan

that it was not her property that she was complaining about.

The officers did tell the kids and adults that they

should try not to engage with Susan, and if she

comes out that the kids should go and tell their

parents or go get their parents if it's really bad,

Like they're trying to be like, I know, it's not fair,

but it's best if you avoid this lady. Yeah, it's

all not fair. Yeah, So the officers are clearly trying

to prevent confrontations between Susan and these children, and it's

clear that both the kids and adults in the neighborhood

have lost all respect for Susan, so they're probably also

telling their kids, like, just don't engage with that lady.

Speaker 2: Like, just.

Speaker 1: I know it's not fair that she lives next to

the where you play. Yeah, but just like, don't engage

with that lady. Yeah, it just like it's just not

fucking fair. It's not it's not again, I'm getting mad

about the wrong things. But like I am, Like I could,

I could cry right now because it's just not fair.

It's not Susan is trying to make this neighborhood into

what she wants, but she moved into an existing neighborhood

was a different way, correct, You just want to be

around kids, live somewhere else. Like I am a certified

child hater. I don't make I don't hate kids as much. Yeah,

I don't care. I don't care, like like not even

this much, but like never, Like sometimes there's a group

of kids that like they're in a different neighborhood, but

they'll come into our neighborhood and sometimes that they're allowed,

and then they'll play and stuff, and you want to

know what I do fucking nothing because it's not my problem. Absolutely, ye,

they're They're a lot like if someone took my childhood away,

like my wonderful memories of screaming and running and like

honestly probably being the worst. Yeah yeah, we're probably menaces. Yes,

like the between where we lived in the two parks.

I bet everyone knew who we were. Oh yeah, yep,

I totally agree with you. Sorry, I'll stop interrupting. I

just like, this is an infuriating story. I literally could

cry right now. It's just so not fair. Yep. This

is this December call. Still, I can't remember if we

saw Ajica on this call or not, but I do

think she came out to speak with officers at the

end of the footage. On this date, officers leave. Susan

again is not pleased with this result. So now we're

three months later, on March fourteenth, twenty twenty three, there

is another call to the neighborhood. But this one is

different because Susan did not make this call. Oh oh oh,

and again this is where you see who Susan really

is without all the poor me I'm an old lady nonsense. Again,

I do want you to remember she's in her mid fifties.

She's younger than our parents. Yeah. If you look at

photos of her, you would guess she's eighty. Yeah. Like

she got real old, real fast. Yeah, when she went

to prison. Sorry a slight spoiler. The episode is called

the Murder of Osica Owen's slight spoiler. Yeah, but like

she she got old in prison, but she didn't look

young prior. Oh no, her like initial mugshot. Yeah, she

looks like the elementary school principal. No, no, principal, elementary

school librarian that you avoid. Yeah yep, the grumpy one

that tells you to shush all the time. Yes, like

the one that should have been retired ten years ago. Yes,

but again thinks it's her library that kind of things. Yep,

but like she's not old enough to retire. She's only

in her fifties. Like this is where how she perceives

herself and how she projects herself to the world doesn't

match who she actually is. Correct. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm

glad you liked have photos and then I just wrote

hate ages you. I guess it really does, it really does. Yeah. Okay,

so this is what happens. In this March fourteenth call,

a male property owner from a couple blocks away called

police due to vandalism or damage to his property. He

has footage of a truck ramming his closed like chain

link gate repeatedly. Because the gate was closed and the

person in the truck couldn't get it open, they just

ramming it with their truck. The man said that the

area wasn't open to the public. I'm assuming it was

some kind of shortcut or cut through or something like that. Yeah,

like has gates or something. Sure, and that people have

accidentally gotten stuck inside before. But everyone else would there's

a sign on the gate, would call the number on

the sign and he would come and open the gate

and let them out. And it was really that simple.

That's not what this person in the truck do. This

person rammed the truck repeatedly on the gate, over and

over until the gate opened, and then drove away. Hmmm, yep,

that sounds like anyways, continue, Yeah, so the officers looked

up the truck because he had a license plate. Yeah,

so whose truck was that? Do you think, Lauren? I'm

gonna guess her name is Susan, but I think she

likes to go by Karen. Yeah, yep, it was Susan's truck. Yep. Jesus,

the kids call her Karen. Later it's actually Hlarious. So

the officers went to Susan's house. I don't know what

time it is or anything, but it is after dark.

It appears to be late based on contact clues. Susan

had found a way out of the gate hours earlier,

and the owner came across the damage later in the

day and then checked his camera footage and then called

the police. It's my guess as to how this like

the timeline of how this occurred. Sure, so this would

have been like I said, hours later that they're knocking

on Susan's door, and then they knock on the sliding

glass door because she doesn't come to her front door.

Of notes, there are no trespassing signs on the windows,

on the fence, on the sliding glass door. She has

them post it everywhere as if people are coming onto

her patio. I just don't believe that's happening, but she

apparently does believe that's happening. So when the officer knocks

on the window, I think he knocks and says like

sheriff's apartment. So based on what this shows in the documentary,

officer knocks on the sliding glass door and it may

not have been the first time he knocked, and he's

like Sheriff's office, you know, knock, knock, knock, Sheriff's office.

And Susan screams at him from the inside saying like

hold on, right, I need a minute or something like that,

like screams, and the officer whose body cam is on,

just backs up and goes geez. So like again, first

not first glimpses, but additional glimpses into who Susan really is. Yeah, yeah,

so that's what I wrote. I kind of already said it.

But it's kind of incredible to see because we've seen

how Susan has acted when she's the one making the call,

and this is very different. Yeah, like I suspect it's

how Susan truly is as a person. She acts like

a victim a lot, which for sure please, and this

time she's not expecting them. So Susan finally comes the door,

she pokes her head out, she does not come all

the way outside. She actually refuses to come all the

way outside at first. The officers eventually coax her out.

She's in her nightgown. Yeah, and that's how like she

dresses like an old lady. Then she like they're talking

to her, and she like turns around and goes back inside,

and the officer starts following her, like no, no, no, no

no no, we're not done talking to you, and she

grabs her sweater or whatever and then comes back outside.

And it's just wild to watch because if it wasn't

a white lady doing this, that could have ended very differently.

That would have been so bad for literally ninety percent

of the population. Absolutely yep, holy shit, yep, because she

without saying a word, just turns around and goes back inside.

And so yeah, I wrote the same thing. It's that's

actually really dangerous for officers, which is why they react, Yes, oftentimes,

because there could be any number of things in that

house that she's going back for. She happened to be

going back for a sweater. But with she wasn't a

white lady, they might have acted very differently. They might

have tackled her, they had a shot her, who knows.

When I was at the FBI Academy, one of the

things that were taught. I think this is a cross

law enforcement. They call it hands waste demeanor. So can

you see hands? Can you see or are they reaching

for their waist? Can you see what's on their waist?

And then how are they acting? And if the hands

are moving around a lot, that's dangerous if you can't

if they're wearing baggy stuff and you can't see their waistband,

that's dangerous. And if they're acting funny, lots of reasons

why that could be dangerous. And I might not have

anything to do with anything on the waistband. It might

just be they're having an episode of some kind, or

it could be something better. Right, So this demeanor, this

whole thing that she's doing, I called it red Flag City, yes,

because like she was only poking her head out, you

couldn't see her hands. She had on a nightgown so

she couldn't really hide much on her waist. But she

went back inside the house and she's acting like just

defiant to these officers, right like how dare you wake

me up? Kind of stuff. Anyway, she finally gets her

sweater on or whatever, and she comes back outside and

she has immediately read her Miranda rites. Amazing tell me more. Yep.

At the end of the reading, you know you have

the right to remain silent, blah blah anything you can,

you know, the whole thing. At the end, the officer

asks she would agree to speak with him, and she

goes no, And then you can tell the officers kind

of take it aback by that response, and he goes,

all right then, and then he explains it's going to

happen next since she won't talk to him. Yep. So

what he says is, since you don't want to talk

to me, you'll be put in a photo lineup and

the owner of the property of the damaged property will

then probably identify you and you'll get charged. Yes, And

then everything changes because all of a sudden, Susan's like,

oh wait, I need to be a victim again, So

her whole demeanor changes. She says she didn't know, that's

why the officer was there, and he goes, yes, you did.

I told you already. So like the officers just like,

I can't talk to you. You already said no. Like

he's like backing away. You can see his hands in

front of the camera, like, no, stop talking to me.

You already said you didn't want to, and she just

keeps talking over him, So a lot of it's on

the body cam. I don't know. I don't know what

happened in this in this specific case, but I would

assume all that stuff it wasn't used in court proceedings

because she did say she didn't want to talk, right,

I called her in later and got her statement later

or whatever happened. Sure, but she did suddenly want to

explain everything. She wanted to explain why she did what

she did, And like I said, the officer correctly continually

told her that she'd already said she didn't want to talk,

so anything she said couldn't be used anyway. But she

just kept talking. And what she said was wild because

again she's trying to play the victim. In Susan's words,

she said that she had been previously raped and beaten. Oh,

no further information provided. Actually wait wait wait wait wait

that day that's why she hadn't oh, just previously in life. Oh,

I'm this that's not funny. I want I want to

explain why I'm laughing. I'm laughing because it's out of

the blue. It's clearly meant for shock value, and it's

meant for her to maintain that she is a victim.

It has nothing to do with with that day and

what they're talking talking about. They're talking about her about

property bandalism, like property damage. So quick cue yeah, m hmm,

next time I get in trouble for whatever, Am I

just allowed to say that I was previously raped and beaten.

It's it's crazy, It's a crazy I feel like a

cop would be like, uh uh, ma'am, be like, I'm

sorry to hear that. That has nothing to do with

why we're here, Macy, honey, can your goal please, ma'am

see a therapist. Don't talk to me. I say that later, truly. Okay. Anyway,

so said she was previously raped and beaten. Okay, No

further details provided. She said that when she realized a

She said that when she realized the gate was closed,

she thought she was going to be harmed and she

panicked again. No further details provided. Okay, okay. The officer

then told Susan that the owner of the gate and

property wanted the damage paid for, and of all the

things for Susan to say in response, she said that

she just freaked out and that her truck was also damaged.

Her truck, her feelings her Your truck was damaged because

you damaged it, Yes, with the closed gate that you

ran through. So like, that's an incorrect phrasing. Your truck

was not damaged passively. You damaged your own truck. Correct. Yeah,

also okay, sorry, sorry, So it truly seems like Susan

thought that everything would be forgotten and forgiven if she

just explained that she had trauma in her past and

therefore she just does things. Sometimes that's not how life works. No,

that's basically what I'm about what I'm about to say, Like, Susan,

I'm gonna be so real with you right now. We

all have trauma because we are people. It's part of

being a human. No one's life is perfect. So trauma

can be acute, trauma can be structural, trauma can be intergenerational.

We all have fucking trauma, right, so most of us

generally don't take it out on the vulnerable around us,

like children or gates. So, like I said, I don't

know what happened with this. I assume that Susan probably

did just pay for the damage and the criminal charges

were pressed. That'd be my guess. She just paid the

damage sure, okay, I'm gonna move on to the next call. Okay.

A little over a month later, so now we're really escalating.

It was six months, four months, three months, one month, okay,

called nine and one again. Her complaint this time was

something about kids chasing a dog. The police when they

showed up, honestly looked pretty confused. Also, I should note

I say that the police, cops and stuff, it's all

the sheriff's department. I'm using interchangeably. It's all the sheriff's department.

They looked really confused when they arrived, and when they

parked there were a bunch of kids running around, and

they asked the kids, like of you, one of you

chasing a dog? And the kids seemed confused too, so

after the responding officers asked the kids a couple additional questions,

one of them finally said, oh the Karen called. The

kids were all yeah. The kids were all them like,

oh yeah. One of them finally like once they realized

whatever were talking about, one of them said, oh, she

flipped us off. Oh up, kids, Susan flipped the bird

to a group of kids. She's in her mid fifties. Girl,

just oh my god, why are you doing this, Susan?

Just why? So the kids explain that the owner of

the field has told the kids multiple times that they're

fine to play there, but Susan always calls the cops

on it, and they I don't think they know her name.

They call her like the lady, Yeah, the Karen, but

it's Susan they're talking about. The best part of this

call was that one of the kids explained to the

officers was that when they simply walk by car or

Susan's house, I just called her Karen. Whether they're simply

walking by Susan's house, Susan will often yell at the

kids and make accusations that they're trying to steal her truck.

Another kid in the group looks at the offering officer

and goes, we're eleven. Yeah, Like Susan is literally the

dubbest person in the world. The officers like, do you

guys even know how to drive? And they're like no, oh, Like,

like I said, the oldest kid in this group can't drive.

That's how young they all are. Yeah. It's just the

perfect encapsulation of how ridiculous Susan's allegations are and how nonsensical.

They sound when you say them out loud, Yes, like

you are just Oh I hate this woman. I do too.

Of course, the officers have to go speak to Susan.

You'll you hear this on a later call that the

dispatch'll asked, do you want officers to respond to you

or just to the situation, And she always says, yes,

I want them to talk to me. Oh, are you

doing okay with your earing? Yeah? I am taking it out.

You can keep going, okay. So they go talk to

Susan since she called, yep, she made a complaint. She

wants to talk to them. Yep. Susan told them that

the kids were again, in her words, trying to put

a puppy in the bed of her truck. What like,

first of all, why for what purpose? Yeah, ma'am what

What a weird thing to lie about? What a weird

thing to accuse? Yeah, she says that she took photos

of these kids without their consent or their parents' consent. Wonderful, awesome,

I love that for that, she shows them to the officers.

It's not super clear on the body cam footage that

you're watching in the documentary, but the kid has a

red shirt on. That's all you can really see, Okay.

So Susan told them about the incident with the sign.

So she's back on this thing with the sign and

that was like a year ago. Yep, and oshaka from

over a year ago as proof that this has been

ongoing and that everyone in this neighborhood is out to

get her. Girl, get a fucking hobby. Seriously, Yeah, and

leave your house sometimes, like, perhaps you'd be better for

your mental health if you were like outside sometimes seriously,

So she describes this like except for talking about the sign.

She describes this to the officers as Ajka trying to

attack her, like even calling it an assault was way

further than it should have been. But then they say

that it was an attack, are you personally like no,

that doesn't make any sense. So you're ridiculous. So the

officers then go back to the group of kids. A

dad has joined them outside. At this point, one of

the officers says to the other as they're walking, there

comes a point where you do have to accept that

you live with a bunch of kids. Yes, and he

says that to her. No, he says that to the

other officer. Oh damn it, I know Susan is really

not prepared to accept that we're going to keep this

keeps going, So thes go back. Yeah, they go back

to speak to the kids and then the neighborhood dad.

They asked the dad if any of the kids have

a dog, and then what a specific kid's name is.

The kid with the red shirt turns out that that

is one of Ajica's children, year old son, So that's

who Susan had taken the photo of, and the police

identified him because he was wearing the same clothes the

red shirt. Yep. The officers repeat Susan's allegations to the

dad that this young boy was trying to put a

dog in the bed of her truck, and the dad

starts to laugh. Yeah, he says, look at him, that

dog is bigger than him, like here often like, do

you think you could lift that dog? And he's like no,

And I'm assuming it's that doodle dog. Yeah, I saw

earlier in the documentary. So the accusation is so nonsensical

that all the dad can do is laugh, and the

deputies leave soon after since they really can't do anything else.

There's no proof of this happened. The allegation seemed ridiculous.

Everyone else is denying it, so yeah, what a weird

fucking thing to lie about. It's just bizarre. And even

if she doesn't believe she's lying, like she's not intentionally

making something up. What a weird place for your brain

to go, right, Like why why do you think that's

what's happening here? Right? So fucking weird? Like yeah, I mean,

I honestly, I'm kind of happy that nothing that she

says makes sense to us, because yeah, she would be

a weird place for my brain to go to. Yep. Yeah,

but like what the fuck lady? Yep? Okay. Then about

another month later, on May twenty second, twenty twenty three,

Susan goes to the Sheriff's office to make a report.

She said that she had called the previous night, but

no one had shown up to speak with her. Oh,

and then she alleged that Ajka might have interceded. That's

the word she used the police when they arrived, and

that's why they never came to talk to Susan, because

like Agika was waiting for them and she explained it away,

and therefore they didn't talk to Susan. That's not how

policing works. No, So my guess is that they just

didn't go. I wouldn't either, I know, like always something

probably look at the address and we're like, no, we've

got other things to do. Yeah. Susan obviously did not

use Ogica's name. Again, I'm not even sure she knows

Agica's name. I don't think she does. I don't either,

But she called her the mother, that the mother interceded.

Good god, yep. So she again in this report that

she made in May twenty twenty three, sitting with an

officer at a desk, she again brought up the sign,

oh my god, lady, and then she's just like she's

clearly trying to make Aca sound like a violent person

who is manipulating the police. Right. The officer asks Susan

if she wants some kind of recourse with the children

that keep harassing her, like did she want them to

go to jail? Did she want them to be punished?

And she says, yes, what the fuck I know? Yeap,

Susan wants the children in jail, she explains herself, and

she ultimately alleges arson and mischief against the children. Arson

no proof, I was gonna say when yeah, nothing she

has no videos, she has nothing to give the police.

It's just her word, and she seems to truly believe

that her word is enough. Oh my god for this

type of allegation, which is crazy. So she's so dangerous, yes,

yes she is. It sounds like the officer knows how

ridiculous all this is. So he tells her that all

he can do is write of a police document, but

nothing would happen because she can't prove it correct. And

she was like, okay, well I want to document it, like,

oh here, so I do want to make a note

of something before I move on to the final incident

in this timeline, the Marion Counties shareff's office, who kept

responding to these calls from Susan. They did not do

anything wrong here. It's not often I defend police, but

they didn't do anything wrong in this whole thing. They

repeatedly told her that she was not reporting anything, that

it was a crime. They repeatedly told the kids and

their parents that they should really avoid Susan. Basically they

didn't say it, but basically because she's a live wire,

like you never know what she's gonna do. But since

there's no there has been no crimes, right, Like, there's if,

if anything, the crime is being committed by Susan for

continually yelling slurs at these kids, right, but that's not

what Yeah. Also, just because I know where this is going,

I am happy that the police continue to respond, Yeah,

because we have a lot of evidence. Because they kept

continuing to respond, I agree. Yeah, yeah, yep. So they again,

they continually told the kids to stay away from Susan.

They continually told Susan that she wasn't alleging anything that

could be charged, and then it wasn't even her property

that she was continually complaining about. Over and over again,

they'd show up, they'd tell Susan the reality of the situation,

and they'd leave, assuming that Susan was a grumpy old

lady because that's what she looked like. Honest, that's the

bare minimum I know. But that's not who Susan actually was.

And again, watching that video of her being accused about

ramming her truck, you can see the switch. Yeah, and

it's just kind of crazy to see it on h

Who Susan really was was an uncooperative woman who rammed

her truck repeatedly into a metal gate and then tried

to downplay it to police and use the excuse of

trauma to get out of being in trouble. That's who

she was. Yep. The Sheriff's office didn't do anything wrong here.

I want to say that again. Susan was just escalating

and escalating and the only thing they could have done

was charge her with filing a false report or possibly

a like a they call it something. It's not a

hate crime because it's just verbal, but they like harassing

threats or something. They have things they can charge for

verbal threats, but they would have to be pursued by

the people on the receiving end, and no one ever,

no one wanted to deal with Susan, correct, So just like, yeah,

she kept doing this and it fucking sucks, but just

like we just want her to stop, you know. So anyway, sorry,

I lost my spot. The false report thing, they would

have had to prove that the report was false. That

would have been a difficult task because Susan believed her

beliefs and it just would have been no evidence of anything.

It just would have been just difficult to do, and

it would have been the word of a dozen children

and their parents, generally people of color against one white

woman with more privilege than any of them. So here

we are. It's about to be June twenty twenty three,

and things are about to take a turn for the

absolute worst. On June's second, twenty twenty three, thisays like

a week and a half or two weeks later from

when she made the report in the police or at

the sheriff's office. Susan was recording the kids playing outside.

She was taking photos of them as well. At some point,

Susan threw a pair of roller skates at the kids.

AJ's son was one of those children, and he and

another boy went back to Susan's house to ask her

why she did that? Why did she throw skates at them?

And she came out of her house swinging an umbrella

around like a weapon. Jesus yep, and she called them jackasses. Oh,

and then AJ's son went to get his mom. So

a lot of things have been debated about this. This

is a ten year old boy. Should he have gone

back and been like, why did you do that? I mean,

maybe not. He's ten, He's not a threat. He's ten,

Like she's crazy. He just wants to be left alone. Yeah,

And like she was throwing shit at him, and he

later alleged, I don't know if this is because it

was kind of in some things and not in some things,

that he had left his iPad or his tablet sitting

on the ground and she was holding it, and that's

why he went back up to her to be like,

please put my iPad down, and then she threw the

skates at him and the whole thing. Jesus So. Susan

of course called nine when one. She said the kids

were being obnoxious, that they were screaming and yelling and

leaving their toys around. She called nine one one yep, yep,

the dispatcher said, police of the neighborhood on the call.

Susan admits to throwing the roller skates at the children,

but she said she didn't well, she said she didn't

throw them at Age's son. She just threw them and

said go fetch. Yeah. She stated to dispatch that the

kid said he was going to beat her up for that. Yeah, okay,

he's ten, Like even if he did say something supid

like that, he's ten. Yeah. She told officers that they

were still outside her door and that she was fearing

for her life. Oh my god. She said that she

was very scared. They asked her if the kids had

a weapon, and she said no, there's just threats from

the kids. And she said that she didn't like that

the kids were threatening to get someone else to beat

her up and kill her. Oh oh, now they're going

to kill her. Oh okay. Yeah, she just keeps changing

the story and escalating the story. And she said that

she was sick of the kids badgering her girl. Ye,

she was specifically upset because it was summer and the

kids were out of school, so they're around all the time. Yeah.

So the dispatcher told her that officers were on the

way and that she should avoid the children until officers arrived.

She should stay in her home and keep her doors

in windows locked. So meanwhile, I'm assuming while she's on

the phone with nine on one, AJ's son comes home

and tells aj what happened. I think Susan may have

also taken a tablet, like I said, So, there was

some disputed stuff about this tablet. But aj Ajka she's

a mama bear. She's been a mama bear from the start.

So she marched herself over to Susan's house with her

ten year old son in tow oh No and knocked

on Susan's door. Susan did not answer, so she knocked

one more time loud, and then there was one gun

shot right through Susan's door from the inside. It hits

Ajka in the right side of her chest, near her shoulder. Miraculously,

Susan either didn't know that AJ's ten year old son

was with her, or she was specifically aiming for the

knocking noises like where they were coming on the door,

but she missed AJ's son and hit aj but he

did watch his mom get shot through a door. Aj

and her son stumbled away from the door into the

clearing into that that grassy area, and then her son

ran to get help.

Speaker 3: Uh.

Speaker 1: Several of the neighbors there was AJ's older son was

in the vicinity, so he came to so he was

with Aj and then the younger son went to go

get help. Several of the neighbors called nine on one

reporting either hearing a gunshot or seeing something like seeing

Asika stumble out like they There were lots of repeated

nine on one calls, like right away. One person reported

hearing a gunshot after knocking sounds at Susan's door. At

least one person identified Susan as the shooter to dispatch,

and many people knew it was Ajka who had been shot.

There was at least one heart wrenching call that clearly

like a teenager calling who called and he says his

mom got shot? And you can hear AJ's son in

the background crying hmmm because they're on the call. He's like,

where is she? Where is your mom? Laying down like

where is he? In the sun is just like sob,

it's terrible. This is the part where like it's a

very moving documentary, but there are parts of it who

like it's hard to watch this stuff unfold. And then

good old Susan tries to get ahead of the story,

so she calls nine on one back. She said that

someone tried to break into her house and that she

had been afraid for her life because that person was

going to kill her and told her I'm gonna kill

you through the door. She knew who it was because

she'd been attacked by this woman several times before. She

said several She said that Ajiga's children had been harassing

her for a long time and they wouldn't fucking stop.

Susan also admits that the boys, these children had been

leaving their garbage meaning their toys all around her house

I would assume meaning in the field, and that she

told the kids to get the fuck out of here.

Jesus lady, So Susan sells Susan. Susan self reported to

police that she had shot Ajica Owens through her front door,

but tried to make herself the victim to the whole thing.

So the police had already been on their way because

of Susan's first call, so that was just mere minutes earlier.

That we'll talk about that later. They flipped their sirens

on and several units sped their way, ems not far behind.

The most interesting part of this response is that some

of the officers. As some of the officers are attending

to age it on the ground, other officers report back

to dispatch that Susan is a single, elderly female who

is barricaded in her residence with a single zero, which

I would guest means a firearm. Using the term barricaded

is really fascinating here because if you think, if you

don't have the background, that is of course what it

looks like. She shot someone from inside her house, without

opening the door. Yep. The only time I've ever heard

of that happening is with barricaded subjects who are basically

trying to shoot their way up right, like it's a

last resort response. There are some exceptions see Randy Weaver

and David Crush. Yeah, of course, they're kind of not

the norm. They're outside the norm anyway. Anyway, the officers

do a call out to Susan, They're like Sheriff's department,

come out with your hands up. They've got their guns

drawn at her. It's like a full thing. She opens

the door. They put her in handcuffs immediately, of note,

they tell her she's being detained, not arrested. Oh so

the difference is an arrest comes with charges. Detaining someone

is them in cuffs in somewhere in a safe location

where while you evaluate the seat. Basically, sometimes people are

detained during search warrants if they're not being cooperative letting you,

like in their home or in their car. In this case,

all they know is that she shot someone. They don't

know if anyone else in the house. They don't know

where the gun is. There's a lot of unknowns here,

at the very least that's attempted murder. Yep, absolutely, absolutely yes.

So once Susan is detained, she's put in the back

of one of the cruisers. EMS can finally approach because

then there can be like the subject is in custody,

so she's not a danger anymore, and generally ambulance and

fire can't approach until it's cleared and safe for them,

So EMS can finally approach and they do their best

to save Ajka. You can hear on the body cam

her son is just screaming mom in the background. It's heartbreaking, Yeah,

a heart breaking. So go back to the police who

have taken Susan out of her home, got their body

cam footage. They do a sweep of Susan's apartment to

assure that no one else is inside. Aska gets loaded

on a police stretcher and taken away by ambulance. At

the same time this is happening, and then they show

this footage because inside of police cruisers have cameras too.

Someone knocks on the window of the cruiser that Susan

is sitting in and goes, bitch, why'd you shoot her?

Amazing Susan, Fucking Susan who can never get out of

her own fucking way, yells back because she was threatening me.

Oh god, sure, Susan, sure, yeah. The body camera determines

that is a lie. Yeah yeah, all this determines it's

a lie. Oh my god. So as this is all happening,

they clear Susan's home. There's no one else in there,

and then a female officer who's on scene goes to

find Ashka's ten year old son at a neighbor's house,

and even though he's a miner, they need to speak

with him because he was the only person that was

really a firsthand witness. He was standing next to her

this happened. So he's initially very distraught. He wants to

know if his mother is okay. He was wanting to

know if she's moving. He wants to see her. The

officer is really great with him. She tells him that

his mom is headed to the hospital where they have

all the fancy machines and can do more for her

than what they can do in the field. And she

tells him that he's being very brave and that they

will allow him to see his mom soon, and then

she asks him what happened. So like she's saying these

things and he's calming down. So this is what AJ's

sun said. He went over there to get his tablet

because he and his friends were playing a game, but

Susan had picked up his tablet and he asked her

to put it down. She did put it down, and

then she tried to throw roller skates at him. He

does not say that she hit him. That's been disputed.

AJ's son said he went and got his brother, who

I think was a year or two older than him,

and his brother came back with him and told Susan

that if like, if you're gonna throw stuff at someone,

dom at me, I'm the man. You're like, I'm older

kids stuff. He's at most twelve, probably at most twelve,

maybe maybe thirteen, but we should get at most sure.

So the boys, oh, that's when Susan calls them jackasses.

The boys went to get their mother, Ashika. Ashka went

to Susan's house to ask her about what her sons

had told her. Why did you call my son's jackasses?

Why are you touching their stuff? Instead, this child watched

his mother get shot by the adult who just called

him a jackass. So a different officer is talking to

the older brother who is also crying. They ask him

if he's hurt, and he says no, but my heart

is broken. Oh my gosh. These are children, These are children.

Susan is treating them like their criminals. Yeah, from the beginning,

she's been treating them like they're criminals. They are children.

So these are children who just witnessed violence against their

mother for no reason other than the whole white woman

tears thing. Susan is a racist. Yeah, she saw a

protective black mother and perceived her as a threat, and

Susan was obviously wrong. So then officers continue at the scene.

They call Ajika's ex because the children need a parental

person present. He drove immediately over to be with his children.

He came without knowing the extent of what happened. He

knows something bad happened. The kids ran to him. This

is to me more proof that Ajka always did it

was best for those kids, and she and the kids

had a good relations and ship with their dad. The

officers pull him aside and break the news to him

that they had gotten word that she had passed away

in the hospital. The children were not present for this.

Dad completely breaks down. I think his sister is with

him because someone says that it's their auntie. Later it

could be honestly, it could be a new girlfriend or something.

I don't really know. Sure, someone the kids are familiar

with and felt comfortable with, and who the dad was comfortable,

you know, breaking down in front of this person was

holding him up right, and like Ashika was just so loved.

You can see this in the footage. Yeah, everyone is,

I might cry telling that everyone is so heartbroken by

all of this. So then the officers are saying, like,

we have to tell the kids, and the dad's like,

I'll do it. I have to do it. You guys

can't do it. I have to do it. So the

dad pulls them all. He's like hugging all of them,

except like the baby. A neighbor is still holding the baby,

but he's not old to understand what's happening anyway, right,

So their dad is whole is hugging them. He breaks

the news to them, and how he does it is

just so kind. Is he's doing really the best he can.

He's like, you know, I love you, you know I

love your mom. You know I know you all love

your mom. And then he says, but she's not coming back.

And oh my god, I'm gonna cry. I know. I

was crying listening to them cry for their mother. The

neighbors were crying. Everyone was a mess. Ashiko was so so,

so loved and this was just a straight up tragedy.

Oh god. Yeah. So at this point, Susan was still

not arrested because she was claiming self defense. This is

what she told detectives in the early morning hours when

they first interviewed her on June third, twenty twenty three.

So this is her story. Susan said that the children

were screaming like always, that she had a miserable headache,

so she wanted some quiet to lay down. After she

laid down for a while, she went back outside and

in her words, the three boys were there. Again. She

doesn't know anyone's names, she can't identify them separately. It

was just three boys. My god. Yep. She claims that

she told them they were trespassing and to get out

of here, and they told her that they were going

to tell their mom. Ajka mh. And the detectives ask

Susan if she's had problems with the boys before, and

she goes, oh my god, yes, oh my god. You

know Susan says that Agica showed up at her house

and was banging on the door. Susan said that she thought,

go away, I'm not dealing with you tonight. And it's

not clear to me if she verbalized that at the

time or if that was like something she's telling the

cops like, I was like, go away, I'm not dealing

with you at the time. Sure, sure, So Susan stated

to the detectives that Agika was banging on her door

so hard that the whole house was she girl, shut

the fuck like, there's just no fucking way, There's no

fucking way. Susan stated that she told Ajika that she

really needed to leave, and she claims that Ajika responded,

I'm going to fucking kill you. Oh please, that's new. Yeah, yep,

that's new. Susan said the banging kept going and everything

got worse and worse, and her fear stemmed from the

fact that Ajka had actually harmed her in the past.

Still talking about that sign, Oh my god, yep, that's

that's it. It's just the sign. That's all she's got.

So Susan said that Asjuka was banging so hard on

the door that she thought the door was gonna fly

off the hinge its and that she thought, oh my gosh,

she's really gonna kill me this time. She said, Oh

my gosh too, Oh my gosh, she's really gonna kill

me this time. Susan said she didn't even remember picking

up the gun, but she did remember shooting. Yeah. Detectives

asked Susan how long Ashaka was banging on the door.

She said in her fear response, it could have been seconds,

or it could have been longer, maybe a minute or two. Yeah, false,

right false. Detectives asked Susan why she didn't call nine

on one again, and she said she couldn't find her

phone really, but she knew where her gun was. Okay, So,

Susan was asked about the roller skates, and she said

that the roller skates had almost killed her the previous

morning because she had almost stripped over them, almost on

both of them. Right. She said she did not throw

the skates at AJ's son, but she threw them into

the grass and told him to go fetch Others saw

her swing an umbrella at the kids. Aj Son didn't

tell the officers that when they were talking to him

immediately after, but others witnessed that happening. Sure, Susan denied this,

saying that she had an umbrella because she thought it

was raining, but it wasn't, and she didn't take the

umbrella outside the vestibule, which I understand to mean that

half fenced area around the patio. All denials from Susan,

Susan's making light of all of this, and the detective.

One of the detectives finally said, I need to know

the specifics because it's a big deal. Someone's dead, and

Susan apparently didn't know up to that point that Ashaka

had died. So what she does is she puts her

hand here like over her heart, and she just puts

her head down. That's the only reaction she has. Kind

of jist, Yes, pretty strange. So detectives then asked Susan

if she knew or how she knew what she was

shooting at since she fired through a closed door. Yeah.

One of them explained that in their training as police,

they have to know what they're shooting at to make

a determination whether it's actually a deadly threat. Right, right,

which is true, right, there could have been a child

standing there, the detective said, Susan did not have an answer.

All she kept saying over and over was that she

was fearful for her life, and she kept thinking, go away,

go away. Oh my god, the cops are already on

their fucking way. Yeah. How hard is it for you

to just not I know? Yep. They asked her that,

They're like, why why you you knew they were, we

were on our way. Why, She goes, well, you haven't

responded every time. Oh my god, yeah, oh my god,

I know. So all I'm gonna say is, in my opinion,

these are the types of people who should not have guns.

Oh yeah, Like there should be an anger made's best

or something. There should be something something. Anyway, the officers

in the state's Attorney's office decide that they need to

keep investigating the self defense claims because Florida has a

very robust stand your ground law m that got George

Simmerman off the hook a decade or so before this happened.

Uh huh uh huh. So they provide Susan a ride

back to her house to pass She wants to pick

up some items from her house to go to a hotel,

and there her ride. Of course, in the days that

followed Ajka's family is demanding Susan's arrest, which does finally happen, yes,

but not before Susan's family gets to go clean out

her house and make comments about how her house was ransacked,

continually trying to make out the neighbors as criminals. It

just keeps going. Okay, I will say the police did

a full search of her house. It was a crime

scene because she shot through the door.

Speaker 3: Yep.

Speaker 1: So whatever they're seeing because after yep, and it's just like,

having been on law enforcement searches, if they had access

to a way to lock the door, they would have. Yeah.

So her being like at one point she goes back

and is like they got to make dishes, of course,

because there's like broken dishes on the patio, I guess.

But like Susan, you don't know that. No, you don't.

You don't know that. And also none of that equals

shooting someone. No, absolutely not. I don't give a party.

Crimes are not property is not worth someone's life. I

don't really give a shit if I mean, I know

it didn't happen, but if someone did break into her home,

yeah I don't care. Yeah, no shot someone? Yeah, right,

that's that's not an adequate use of standard ground. No,

even if that's what the defenses that you have, that's

not an adequate use of standard ground. So let's talk

about Susan's arrest, because it's a whole thing. So, after

days of protests, after days of Ashuka's family, they're now

represented by a renowned civil rights attorney named Benjamin Crump

making please to this sheriff's office to arrest their mother's murderer,

their family member's murderer. Susan is called back to the

Marion County Sheriff's office on June sixth, twenty twenty three,

some four days after her YEP. Apparently, Susan had previously

told these detectives that she'd been a victim of sexual abuse,

domestic violence, and had been robbed by some men once

Like okay, what does that have to do with going

on right now? Yeah. So then in this interview on

the sixth, the first thing they ask her, at least

the first thing in the footage is if anyone had

ever tried to break into her house before, and she

said no. So I need to say this. You and

I are having reactions. I'm not trying to minimize whatever

Susan's trauma was, I'm sure she has some. We all

have some. I don't go around accusing people of things

because they triggered things that are my trauma, my specific trauma.

I have gotten therapy like people should, and I am

able to sit and understand that this is the reaction

my body is having. But I'm safe. Right, that's what

therapy is for. Right. Susan needed it big time. Oh yeah,

clearly didn't get it. Oh she is not the therapy count.

Oh no, wait until you hear some of the fix

she says in this interview. Right, it is insane. So anyway,

moving on to the interview again, they asked Susan point blank.

They didn't say the word, thankfully, but point blank they

asked her if she had ever said the ed word

to these children, m And she said she wasn't sure,

but it might have slipped out. Oh my god, that nope,

nope no. And then they asked her what instance would

cause such a word to slip out. Susan, Yeah, they

didn't say it like that, but that was meaning like

there was a vibe. There was a vibe. Yeah, And

she said that if they were being extraordinarily rude and

may have slipped out, and then she said the most

ridiculous thing I've ever heard, but also mid fifty something

in Florida. Yeah, so that would make it so she was,

I'm trying to do math. Born in like the seventies, okay, right,

which would have maybe the late sixties, which would have

been the end of Jim Crow civil rights era. Trying

to keep that in mind with how ridiculous this is.

She said that she had been taught, she used the

word taught that the N word meant that you were

being unlawful or dirty. Oh, Susan, you're a racist. That's

what you are. You're a racist. Oh okay, uh huh

so the perfect reason to say it to children. Oh

my god, Oh my god. Oh I just I can't. Yeah.

This is in recorded interrogation footage of this woman, like

she had no idea what was happening, which is crazy.

She really should have known what was happening. She should

have known what was going on. Oh my god. So

she's still trying to defend herself. Apparently she thought that

it was a defense. Like she went on and out

about this. I don't want to keep going. It's all

the same stuff. She said, I'm gonna skip over a

bunch of it. Sure, but here are the highlights. After

she made her excuses, detectives were like, let us share

some stuff with you. The detectives told her that when

she first called nine one one, it was eight fifty

four pm, and that call lasted five minutes. Oh god, okay,

so she got off the phone at eight fifty nine pm. Yes,

Susan had told detectives during this conversation that Ajica started

banging on her door about ten minutes after her first

call to the police, okay, and that she couldn't believe

when the banging started. She couldn't believe police weren't there yet. Okay.

She called in and went to report that Ajca or

that she had shot Ajca through the door at nine

oh one. Shut the fuck up? Time stamped calls to dispatch.

Oh two minutes, oh mo, oh my god, Oh my god. Yep. So,

also remember her story is that she couldn't find her phone, right,

she'd been on it two minutes earlier, right, what do

you mean, and then found it immediately after and immediately

after what do you mean, what do you Susan? Oh

my god? Yeah, So the detectives are calling her on

her bullshit. This interrogation is actually pretty glorious to watch

because they're calm, they're sitting pretty close to her, They're

like leaned forward, and they're like, uh huh uh, tell

us about this, Susan, And then they'll tell her a

fact and she is just left looking dumb as a

box of rocks. Yeah, yep, because she's got nothing. Yep.

So all she keeps saying at this point is I

just felt like she was going to come through that

door and kill me, referring to Ashika. She said it

multiple times, girl, yep. Susan told them earlier in the

conversation that she had been on Facebook that day before

she came into the office for this interrogation, which she

clearly didn't know was an interrogation, I guess. And they

asked her later in the conversation if she saw any

coverage on Facebook of her own case, because it had

made it the news big time. Oh yeah, And she

said yes, and they asked what she saw in the coverage.

This is just so telling. She said that she saw

that she'd thrown a tablet at the kids and said

that all these and said all these things that she

hadn't said that there were lies being reported, and the

detective came in with a home run swing and said,

you know what I saw. I saw four kids that

no longer have a mother, Like god, damn, tell her yeah, yeah, yeah,

And she had no response to that. Oh my god.

So they leave the room, the two detectives, they leave

her alone, uh, and they explain that what they do

at this time they have to complete some paperwork. I

think they even tell her like, you're gonna be under arrest.

But they they leave her with a notepad and a pen,

and they say, what we do now is in these situations,

you're not allowed to contact the family like Ajica's family.

So if you want to write a letter to the

children of the woman that you killed, this is how

you This is how you can communicate with them. We

can give them this letter. I think they're checking to

see she's got remorse. I think that's what they're doing.

Sure for sure if she's sorry, right, So they leave

the room. You can see in the video that she

writes something she doesn't write very much, and then later

in the footage they read it out loud. I'm going

to just read it now. Okay, this is what she

wrote on the paper. She was fifty seven years old. Yeah, yep, yep,

So this is what she wrote on the paper. I

am so sorry for your loss. I never meant to

kill your mother. I was terrified your mother was going

to kill me. I shot out of fear. What a

helpful thing for those kids, Susan. I obviously, I know

that they saw it. I wish they wouldn't have ever

seen that. I wish that wouldn't have ever gotten out. Yeah,

and the only reason it's out is because the detective

read it on the camera. I doubt he gave that

to those kids, right, But yeah, it's I mean, it's

in the documentary. But like, yeah, oh my god, I

imagine thinking that would be helpful. No, clearly fuck piece

of shit. Yep. So this is the best and worst part.

It really shows how little Susan understands her situation and

how uneducated she is also but also just like how

much she believes that she's right and she can get

away with anything, hm as long as she says that

it's because she has trauma. So they come back in

the room, the two detectives. They brought a deputy with them, okay.

And they told Susan that she was under arrest and

she goes no. Oh. They were like what and they're

like the deputy was like okay, stand up, and she's

like no, she she wouldn't. She wouldn't get up. They

asked her multiple times. They were explaining to her like

you can like it or not, this is what's happening,

and she repeatedly said no, I can't. I can't do this.

They're like, you can do it the easy way of

the hard way. Either you stand up on your own

or we're gonna stand you up, and then she goes, no,

I can't. I can't do this. On and on and on.

The attections were just kind of like come again. They

just kept telling her what's gonna happen. If this is happening,

you have no choice or you're gonna be booked. She

was like, no, I'm not I'm not going. It was

like you know what, fine, I know it's totally in character. Yep,

Oh for sure, yep. And the deputy they brought in

was a tall built man. He could have probably picked

her up with one arm and gotten her against the

wall and arrested her. I would love to say that

to me, and no, yeah, no, no, no, I can't.

I'm not going I can't. And then at what point

she said like, I don't feel good, and they're like, well,

there's medical staff at the jail, but she's like no, no,

So yeah, they had this deputy that was telling her like,

I'm going to force you up. Yeah, either you stand

up on your own or I am going to force

you to stand up. And it's like Susan thinks that

she's above everything, that she can just do what she

wants and get away with it. She resists for several minutes.

They're really really nice to her in the circumstances, and

they wouldn't be if she was a woman of color,

I agree, or God forbid a man of color? Oh God,

okay yeah, and the detective finally, one of them finally

says to her that she is not being rational. There's

no like she is being unreasonable, and she says, I know,

but I can't do this, babes, it's just the fuck.

Oh like if you know, oh, but you're still not

doing it, like and then he this is he I

love this quote. I wrote it down. There is a

reason that you're in this position. Susan, and it's because

you say and do things that aren't reasonable. Matter. Yeah,

and she was like, I can't, Susan. She does eventually

stand up. She does eventually stand up. No one fucking

cares if you can't do this. I always kind of

hoping you were gonna say, like, they finally just picked

her up and said we're done here, ma'am. So he

said that to her, and then he said, I have

been in this room with people who have done terrible things,

and most of them stand up on their own and

walk out of here with dignity. And she did finally

stand up. Dignity not so much, but no stand up.

So yeah, this whole thing was if you're gonna watch

any part of this documentary again, I know you've seen it.

One find that he got it because it is just outrageous.

I clearly don't remember any of this, so it seems

like this is kind of a surprise free which I like.

I like that you're not remembering a lot of this,

because yeah, I don't remember like any of this. So

Susan is charged with manslaughter with a manslaughter with a

gun or with a firearm and arrested on June sixth,

twenty twenty three, which was four days after she murdered

Ashka Owens. And she took it like the person. She's great. Great.

So the rest of the story is short because I

just don't think she's worth talking too much more about,

to be honest, So let's talk about Susan's trial and sentencing.

During the end credit scene, the documentary showed some pieces

of the footage from the trial. I don't know how

long the trial was. I don't really care. I know

it was only a jury of six. Wait a Flora thing. Yeah,

that must be a Florida thing. Yeah. But Susan was

convicted of manslaughter with a firearm on August sixteenth, twenty

twenty four, after two and a half hours of deliberation.

Several of the kids and the teenagers and adults from

the neighborhood testified in the trial. M I'm gonna say funny,

just kind of amusing. Two of the pieces of evidence

that were brought out during the trial. But you can

see like an evidence tech or something is on the

stand with gloves on the umbrella. Amazing, amazing. It's sort

of like to tell the story like we collected this

stuff at the scene. Yes, yeah, yeah, but it's all

just kind of like, God, what a stupid story, What

a stupid reason to kill someone, What a stupid fucking story.

Like several police officers also testified. They included the guy

that responded to the thing about the call the sign

and like he was describing the sign as like it

wasn't like cardboard, but it wasn't plastic. It was just

kind of like, this is ridiculous. Yeah, what she is

alleging is just ridiculous. Susan's defense appeared to be twofold

self defense using the Sandra Ground law on Florida was one.

The other one was just looking like someone's granny in court,

like granny can't kill people. Basically, yeah, she was no

one's grandmother. By the way, she had some nieces and nephews,

she had no children or grandchildren. Shocking, I know, I know,

I mean Lawrence was her birth name. Yeah, so none

of this worked. She was found guilty. She was sentenced

to twenty five years in prison on November twenty, twenty

twenty four, and the judge said at the sentencing that

he found the shooting was based more in anger than fear.

Oh for sure. Basically, I don't believe you. Good on you, judge, Yeah,

for good on you. Yesep, totally so a little bit

on the aftermath, Ajica's mother, her ex, and her children

have been active in trying to abolish the Sandra ground

laws in the US. Also, they set up a fund

to help people who have been victims of this type

of violence. Sure, like in the initial days after like

support for people. Now that I said that a loud,

I should double check that. I'll double check it, and

then you can decide you want to keep it or not.

I know for sure they are part of this movement

to try to abolish standard ground laws. It shows us

on the documentary, and I can totally believe it's true.

Research has shown that in states with standard ground laws

they have an eight to eleven percent increase in homicides

than states who don't. Oh, because people feel entitled to

shoot people. Yeah, and that's interesting, but yeah, yeah, yep,

And then they totally makes sense. But yes, yeah, they

said specifically, white people have a particularly high success rate

of using standard ground as a defense when they've killed

a black person. That's in research in the country. To

think of how many standard ground cases, I've covered two

for sure. Yeah, this will be the third yep. I

think it's a it's a dumb law. I was gonna say,

George Jenherman obviously got off. But the guy from Minnesota,

he killed the two teenagers, he's in jail, he is yep.

And his standard ground was not a standard ground because

he was no he was lying. Yeah, he sat on

his little fart chair and fucking waited for them to

come down the stairs. Rose as recliner. Yeah. Sorry, continue

but yeah, a side note just about chairs being gross.

We're almost done. But there was a famous Reddit post

that every time I see it I giggle. Is this

guy on he writes on Reddit that he has a

gaming chair and he's like, I need tips on how

to get that smell out of it because my girlfriend

thinks it smells like shit. And other people are like,

get my gaming chair doesn't smell like shit? What are

you doing? Like this is a hygiene problem. My friend

is not. And then his response is just like, it's

a lot of judgmental people, you know what, dude, Yeah

there is, that's true, but also like you also didn't

need to put that out there. You're basically saying that

you're like shitting your pants in the chair and it

smells like shit. I was gonna say, I'm currently in

my husband's gaming chair. It does not smell. Oh, I know,

like my my husband has a chair he sits in

when he games. And no, I'm just an't smaller shit, No,

no anyway, washer butthole, sir, Yeah, seriously, and maybe like

wear pants. I don't know what's happening there. Like, it

didn't even occur to me that he was sitting out

pants on heel. Men love being naked. It's just an assumption. Oh,

you are so right anyways, Okay. The final part of

the story is the wrongful death suit and Susan's response.

This is very short. In twenty twenty five, the Owens family,

still represented by Benjamin Crump, the prominence of the wor

rights attorney who also represented the family of George Floyd,

filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Susan Lawrence for the

death of Oshko Owens. Susan wrote a letter from jail

stating her intent to counterfile against them for defamation, libel,

and slander. Like, okay, Susan, good luck, You'll never be

able to prove those things because of what was being

said about you that you are upset about was true,

So like you'll never be able to prove it. But

the other funny thing, if you don't have to look

this up, but if you can find it, she literally

hand wrote a court document. Yep, it's hilarious. What are

you doing. I'm looking at it, but it's a video,

so I'm not clicking it. Yeah, start playing. Yep, it's

really funny. So I would I would recommend you watch

that because she's just like, they said that I threw

a roller skate and I didn't throw a roller skate, Like,

that's not going to get you a defamation, no, like,

and you did, yeah, and you did. You said it,

you said it on your nine when one call that

I threw it. But she's just like, why didn't hit

anyone with it? Doesn't matter? Throw it at children, like

toward them, whatever cares. But yeah, So, by in conclusion,

this was the story of the murder of Ashrika Owens

by a racist white lady in Florida, and it is

one of the many reasons I'm worried. Yeah, this is

so senseless. I mean, yes, murder is senseless. It's just

absolutely whatever. But this is like it was totally unnecessary.

What the fuck are we doing? Yes, yes, what the

fuck are we doing? Ashika Owens should be alive and

with her family. Yes, this was stupid. How many times

do you think that our parents have gone to a

neighbor's house to knock on the door for any reason?

Have you met our dad? Yeah, he didn't knock. He

just lets himself in, like bad anymore. But if he's

got a key, that's true. But like, this is just

it's so stupid. She made herself a pariah in that

neighborhood and then complained about it because no one liked her,

and the kids probably did taunt her sometimes, but they're

also plain their kids. Their children can't. This is like

the people who you're in an apartment complex, a dog

friendly apartment complex, and they freak out when you have

your dog in the hallway. Yeah, like you you know

where you moved, you know where you live. Yeah, it's

like when there's a forty year age gap. Yeah, you've

got you're beefing with children, ma'am, yes, yes, just oh

and now she has like a little rat tail in

prison and her hair is like super gray and she's

like gaunt. Now Yeah, she was kind of a large lady. Yeah,

they're in the documentary and she looked like she lost

a ton of weight in jail. Yeah, because she thinks

the food isn't to her liking. Probably, So is this

what you were talking about? Perfect Neighbor shooter wants to

sue victims kids yep, yeah, yep. And the landlord for

not protecting her. What do you mean, lady, you are

so lucky he let you live there as long as

you did. Yeah, don't you get some kind of saven

a nuisance? Don't you get some kind of fine if

the police show up to your house too many times? Oh,

I have no idea. Oh maybe they should put that in.

Maybe it's something I made up. It could be saved

by state too. Sure. What a fucking piece of shit. Yeah,

and just to mention sources for a second, I didn't

write them all down because that was like the last

thing I usually do and I was trying to get

to you on time. But the Perfect Neighbor is the

name of the documentary. I highly recommend watching it if

you can stomach it. Yeah, it's there's like no narration,

it's all bodycam footage. Yeah, is some recorded interview that's

played over the top of some of the footage, but

that was recorded at a different time than what the

footage is showing. But it's it's all like it's almost

like like a found footage horror movie type thing, but

it's it's it's exactly real. That's exactly what it is.

It's yeah, it's like a found Yeah, it's exactly what

it is. And how they got it was the filmmaker.

So the filmmaker I looked into this a little bit.

The filmmaker is her sister in law, was Agika Owens'

best friend. I think I did. I think I did

that she was like personally involved, yeah, and that's part

of how she was able to at the towards the end,

there's some very well filmed footage of the kids like

smiling and being how be in like afterwards with their

dad and with their grandma and stuff. The grandma, Osca's mom,

is a big part of the fight moving forward to

get rid of standard ground and justice for her daughter

and all this stuff. But the filmmaker has been in

interview saying that like it's very personal to her, story

is very personal to her, and that Ojka should be alive,

hands down, and that poor ten year old, as far

as I could tell, like to this day, feels like

it's his fault that his mom died because he was

like if I didn't care, like if I didn't leave

my tablet in the field, if I didn't care, why

do you care my mom? No, I know, it's it's

I mean, I know, it's like, yeah, child guilt is

its own form of guilt. And then the older son

has his own guilt because he was with his mom

waiting for law enforcement and EMS and he didn't know

how to do CPR. I don't know if that would

have helped. I don't either, I know, and I'm not

there crying all over again. I know, And I'm not

clear on like did she die from blood loss? Did

she die because it hit her heart? Like, I'm not

really clear on the actual cause of death, aside from

it was a gunshound. But it also didn't sound like

the bullet went out like exited, so I had like

hit her shoulder blade and like ricocheted in there, which

could have also caused a ton of damage. Right, it

was a thirty eight that was the pistol, the caliber

size that Susan used. Oh, it's just yeah, that's tough.

That's a tough one. Oh yeah, sorry, this was so long,

a lot longer than I had to although we did

talk for we talked before we started. So that's fine. No,

that's horrible. I hate thanks. Yeah, yeah, are you worried

because I'm worried. I'm fucking worried. I am fucking worried.

It makes me like, yeah, And it's really funny to

the generational difference, Like we have stories like this and

Dad gives me. He's giving me crap for like a

decade about not knowing my neighbors, and in his mind

he's like, well, they can watch your house when you're gone.

I was like, or I could just lock the fucking

house and it'll be fine when to get back. When, Yes,

when Dad and I were just covering the arrow murders,

who's giving me shit about not knowing my neighbors? Yeah,

And I'm like, why why I don't need to know

my neighbors. I don't feel the need. What I know

about my neighbors has two of them are Tesla's and

one of them have two kids. I know about my neighbors. Ye, okay,

you already wrap this up. I am okay, so sources

will go here. Yes, okay, the full meed to just

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