Episode 59: 125 Miles in Sedona: What We Saw From the Pacer's Seat
In this episode of the Endurance State of Mind podcast, Anthony Herrington and Zach Vogt recap an unforgettable trip to Arizona while crewing and pacing their friend Hezekiah through the brutal Sedona Canyons 125 ultramarathon.
From delayed flights and desert adventures to sleepless nights, aid station chaos, hallucinations, and emotional highs and lows, this episode gives a raw behind-the-scenes look at what it actually takes to survive a 125-mile ultra. Anthony and Zach break down the entire experience — pacing through the night, managing nutrition failures, dealing with sleep deprivation, and learning firsthand how quickly things can unravel in extreme endurance events.
The conversation also dives into lessons learned from the ultra world, including fueling strategies, pacing mistakes, recovery, mental toughness, and why real food may matter more than gels during multi-day races. Along the way, they share stories from Sedona, encounters with elite ultrarunners, thoughts on Cocodona 250, and how the experience left all of them “Coco curious” about taking on even bigger endurance challenges in the future.
Whether you’re an ultrarunner, trail runner, endurance athlete, or someone fascinated by the mental side of pushing human limits, this episode delivers an honest and entertaining look into the world of 100+ mile racing and the people crazy enough to chase it.
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SPEAKER_03: Welcome back to Endurance State of Mind.
This week we're fresh off an unforgettable adventure in
Arizona, crewing and supporting our main man Hezekiah through
Sedona Canyons 125.
We had sleepless nights, aid station chaos, desert views,
trail stories, everything in in between, and that comes with
surviving 125 mile ultra.
So today's episode is a full recap of those highs, lows, and
wild moments.
Anthony, let's get into it, man.
How are those Sedona racing flats, those rebel racers
treating us?
SPEAKER_01: The Sedona 101s, you the new balance, Sedona 101s.
I think that's what you mean to say.
Everybody's talking about this Mount DeCoast Sedonas that that
they've got out now, you know, and here I am with the
one-of-one Sedona new balance.
They didn't they didn't realize that I had something even
better, you know.
SPEAKER_03: Me and you started looking at like shoe cobblers on
the way home and all this stuff.
SPEAKER_01: Like that was fun.
Dude, speaking of, I gotta well, we'll talk about that later,
later down the road, but it was it was funny.
It was, dude, I had an awesome time at Sedona.
I I guess we'll just go straight back from the start.
I know what a week from tomorrow feels like a month ago now,
almost.
You know, it started off with the 5 a.m.
flight that got delayed until 7.
A rebooking that almost had us delayed even longer because they
rebooked us on different flights.
Thankfully, we got that fixed.
And then um we finally get out to we finally get out to Arizona
and just I mean, have had a blast.
Obviously, Hezekiah, for the people that don't, for the
people that don't know that I'm sure a lot of y'all were
probably following along because we were giving you updates on
Instagram and stuff like that.
But Hezekiah ended up finishing the race at, I want to say it
was like 50 something hours.
Let me go check real quick, see what that was.
I've got it pulled up.
SPEAKER_03: I think it was 50 something hours moving time for
sure.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was 230, where here he is.
Uh nope, 61 hours and 36 minutes is what Hezekiah ended up
finishing the finishing Sedona 125 in.
Um, but dude, we uh it's it's one of those things where it's
funny because you and I kind of had nothing, we had no
expectations of what we needed to do or what was about to
happen.
But I think the way it kind of worked out is you and I were
looking at it as uh Hezekiah wants to finish this, and he's
mentally blocked himself out from finishing some hard stuff
the past few times we've kind of seen him race.
And I think you and I both kind of said, like, we're not letting
that happen this race.
Like we're gonna take come in, take over, and take charge and
essentially make Hezekiah either hate us or realize the goal that
he's about to finish.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, and I and I hate to say it, like, shout out to shout out
to my man because I honestly I felt like I was being an asshole
at some times of like trying to tell him, like, hey, settle
down, like we got you, we're doing, let's do this, this, and
this, and then you'll say this too, later found out, like the
things that we were suggesting ended up being the things that
were working almost, you know.
SPEAKER_03: Like, absolutely.
You know, you have to question early on, like, why do you why
don't you think his girlfriend or his mom's here?
And I was I was like, I know exactly why his girlfriend and
his mom are here, and I know exactly why we are here, and
that came out of his mouth during our pacing section, too.
Like, as tough as it might have been, it probably wasn't tough
for you to be a jerk to him during it, but it's probably a
little uncomfortable, you know.
Like, that's why he wanted us there, because he knew he wasn't
inviting three yes men that were gonna cave to the pain or
discomfort he was feeling, and say, Hey man, you're gonna be
okay.
Let's slow down some.
That's not why he wanted us there.
I think he knew that we were gonna help him get to the line,
and I think me and you were talking about it some too.
He did a pretty good job of who he chose, where he chose us, and
like I don't know.
I think he did a pretty good job of that.
SPEAKER_01: I agree, and it worked out too, honestly,
because like if you think about it, I know that he talked about
like different stuff at night and wanted to wanting to be in
different places during the day and at night, but it actually
kind of worked out that you were the one pacing him through the
night, you know.
We'll we'll we'll go to the you pacing him later down the
episode.
Let's talk about like the first start of the race, lead up to
the race, that kind of stuff.
So we get there, I think we ate lunch, Whole Foods.
Zach's a big Whole Food guy, so he he had to show us his his
local stomping grounds of the whole of the Whole Foods, you
know.
It's not local to him, but the Whole Foods is.
So we ate lunch.
We then met Hezekiah.
Zach was like uh a kid in a candy shop trying to get a run
in.
I'm talking about like for the people listening, I'm in the car
with Zach, front seat, he's driving, and we were all up at
three o'clock in the morning.
I would say what weren't you up about three, something like
that?
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01: So we're all up at three o'clock in the morning.
It's like two o'clock in the afternoon in Arizona, and we're
driving up to Hezekiah.
Hezekiah needs to go to Walmart, needs to get some stuff.
We've got to go to packet pickup.
Zach and I wanted to go, I mean, everybody wanted to go to packet
pickup.
We were a little excited, hoping some bigger brands would be
there and you know, we'd be able to get some free stuff.
Unfortunately, that didn't happen.
But so we're like trying to get ready, and Zach's like, I'm
trying to go for a run before this packet pickup.
And I'm like, dude, I don't know if you're gonna be able to.
Next thing you know, I see the uh I see the speedometer go up
just a few clicks, and we start going a little bit faster.
And Zach's like, I looked at me and said, I'm getting that
running.
Sorry.
SPEAKER_03: I I think I told you at that point in time, waking up
at 3 central, and then at that moment in time, we're getting to
like mid-afternoonish.
I think that was like the longest on days that I hadn't
been sore from an like an ultra myself.
That's the longest I haven't ran throughout a day and still ran,
you know.
It was it was cutting at me, man.
I was like, I was a little anxious.
I was like, I gotta get this under my belt.
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, you ended up so you ended up getting your
I think it was like seven miles, which you ended up getting in.
We we look at him, he's I mean, dude was just having a blast out
there.
Zach Zach took every moment he could to get as many runs in as
possible.
I figured he's gonna need a break after after everything he
did.
But we get to Hezekiah, Jared, and I go to Walmart while Zach's
doing a run to kind of get stuff for him, the house, and
different things like that.
And then we go to packet pickup, which was in a hotel lobby.
There's a few things there, nothing too significant, which I
mean it was I obviously we all know, like you and I both know
it, but the 125 is kind of like the sister race, like the
stepsister race to the 250.
The 250 is the big monumentous thing that everybody's
expecting.
And turns out that I mean, I believe that that's where all
the people were, like your tailwinds, your coros, your
different things like that, pre-packet pickup, I would
imagine, correct?
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
Yeah, I think so too.
It had a little bit of like a bridesmaid feel to it, like like
you said, all the attention was on Cocodona.
Yep.
SPEAKER_01: And then at that point, I mean, what is it?
It's Tuesday night.
We're talking about we're we're also talking about Cocodona
because you have um, I think it was Rachel Rachel uh intricum
was not too far from the finish line at that point.
She may have been like 20 mile, third, 20, 30 miles out.
Wasn't that?
SPEAKER_03: It is funny how that feels like a month ago, but
you're right.
I remember like they were already north of like the 200
mile mark, and we're like, is she gonna finish before Sedona
125 starts?
And I now that's your my brain's working again, you're right.
It was after they started, but it wasn't that far after, it was
like a few hours or something.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it was like we were it was the first
day Hezekiah was racing, it was before we met Hezekiah, so it
had been Wednesday, probably like mid midday afternoon-ish.
She's already finished, Killian's already finished, and
then I mean that was the biggest two.
I think you had three three guy three people that all last
year's time, or I say course record time, not last year's
time.
It was like Cody Poskin, I think is what his name was.
They all beat the course record, which was unbelievable.
Rachel went out there and freaking smashed it.
I mean, I it it's kind of unbelievable what she what she
went out there and achieved.
Wouldn't you agree?
SPEAKER_03: Man, 13 hours, 13 minute, 28, 13 minute mile pace
for 250 miles.
I've listened to her on a few podcasts talk about it since,
and dude, she just didn't get tired throughout that thing.
You and us, we're not skipping all the way to the end, but we
saw her at the finish line afterwards, and she just looked
like she's fresh as a daisy, dude.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she did.
She was climbing stairs that we were having problems climbing,
and we didn't we hadn't run a hundred miles.
Seriously.
I mean, she was she looked her and Killia both look looked like
they're in great shape.
It's just like, bro, I don't even know if I could have stood
up there.
But you you think about it, it's Friday afternoon.
They've already had two days to they're already on 48 hours of
recovery at that point, which is crazy.
Um, so anyway, we get Hezekiah, he's um he's rolling through.
Well, let me rephrase that.
We get to we get to packet pickup, we do packet pickup, all
those things.
We come back and then get Hezekiah to bed.
I think he kind of had in his mind that he wanted to be up at
four o'clock, get something to eat, work through stuff, and
we're gonna, for the people listening, at some point in the
next two weeks, we'll probably have Hezekiah on so he can tell
his story.
We we're not telling his story, we're just telling the Sedona
125, our experience.
Um, and it's about to get there, I assure you, uh, because this
is where the fun begins.
But we get Hezekiah up at about 4 a.m.
And we head to the race start.
I want to say it started at 7.
The people at Packet Pickup were like, hey, you need to leave
your house about 5 o'clock because it gets packed getting
up to the hill.
Well, we didn't do that.
We left about 5:30.
We got there at 6.
Truthfully, I don't think it was that bad.
Like we kind of got halfway up the hill, a pretty big, decent
sized little hill.
There were some buses that were taking athletes.
They were stopped at the they were stopped at the top trying
to unload athletes, and there was a little pull-off.
All we did was cut off, pull off, drop Hezekiah off, go back
down to where there was a good parking section, and Zach and I
ran up the hill and met them before start.
So we had Hezekiah there.
We were 100% pacing Hezekiah, but then we also Ward Ward was
there, and how do you pronounce Ward's last name?
I believe it's Sayer.
Sayer?
Ward Sayer, yeah.
So we Ward Sayer was there and his wife Wendy.
So we actually got to speak with them for a little bit before the
race.
It was, I think everybody was uh high nerve, high anxiety kind of
going into that.
The two of the Ward knows what he's doing.
He's I mean, he's been there before.
He's kind of like a I'm not saying he's a professional at
it, but at the same time, like there's something to be said
about coming to several hundred mile plus races, and Ward's done
that before.
So, you know, we're we're all just hanging out white waiting
on the start, and I think we've put up some put up some fun
videos.
On top of us waiting on the start, I think Zach, myself, and
Jared are all a little giddy because we know we're about to
drop Hezekiah off and we're about to go have some fun and
Sedona ourselves.
No doubt.
So um that's what we did.
We waited on the start, got the start going.
I think there was something like uh I don't want to put words in
what's going on, but I want to say there were somewhere around
400 people doing the race.
Um and then they all get going.
I'm talking about before they can even really get going, we're
pretty much running back down to the car to change and uh getting
our running stuff and go for a hike or run.
It ended up being a mixture of both.
But we were right there at the start line, and we were like,
there was some pretty nice little hikes right around us,
wouldn't you say?
Like oh no doubt.
I thought it was pretty nice.
We actually went back up the way the two, so the years merged in
with the 125 that they're at that mark.
So we essentially just went back up the 250 course backwards so
we could run a little bit of the 250 course.
I thought it was a pretty nice little view.
SPEAKER_03: I agree.
But before we um before I don't even know if you saw it, I don't
know if I mentioned it to you.
Ed and others listening will know we're we're in this crowd
of people Anthony mentioned it was something like 400 plus
people after Sedona 125.
You got Ward right there from Mississippi, of course, Hezekiah
right there.
I turned to my right, it was Gregory Gearhart, like a legend
in this community, Anthony, and you will recognize him from
events we've been in.
I know Ed and a lot of folks in our audience know him.
He was standing right there too.
So effectively, all three people that we knew of from Mississippi
were right here.
It's wild.
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, had to say that.
Who who was you paused on my screen?
Who was that again?
SPEAKER_03: Greg Gearhart, Gregory Gearhart.
He's an older guy that's been in the game for a long time.
I know you've seen him and you would recognize his face.
SPEAKER_01: I know exactly who you're talking about.
I don't I don't know him, like I've never personally met him,
but I have heard that name before a lot.
So that's that's cool.
I didn't even know he was there.
There was also somebody else there, and I wish I would know
her name.
She did the Mississippi 100s, she always comes in kind of,
I've been told, she comes in kind of late on the um
Mississippi 100s.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
SPEAKER_03: I do, and I don't know her name either.
Maybe I can search by Mississippi in a second.
All right.
SPEAKER_01: Well, I while I'm talking about that, I'll
everybody has this joke.
Y'all will y'all probably have heard Zach mention it, is that I
show up to races, you know, five minutes before the race because
I'm a superstar or some crap like that.
But she kind of did the same thing apparently.
Jared made mention that she had showed up to a Mississippi 50
before and like the line was already going out, and she was
walking across like after everybody had already started.
So she's like, She's just like you, Anthony.
I was like, that's that's great.
I appreciate that.
Um, so we had four four people from Mississippi there, which is
pretty all pretty awesome if you think about it.
Well, we had more than that.
There was other people.
Anyway, so we go do our run.
I think we ended up Jared and I ended up getting about eight
miles in on a on the first thing in the morning, and then Zach
ended up getting somewhere around 15 miles, beautiful views
up in the mountains.
Literally, we start our run and go straight up.
It was it was unbelievable.
Super, super pretty area.
You know, you're just overlooking overlooking um
Cottonwood, which is well, Cottonwood and um Jerome, where
they started.
So you're overlooking those two areas, see mountains everywhere,
see mountains in the snow, see all kinds of stuff.
I mean, it was unbelievable views at that point.
And then from there, we get back to the car, we're like, all
right, what are we doing now?
Hezekiah's made it maybe like 10 miles at that point.
I'm not even real sure where to be honest with you.
The first day, I couldn't have told you anything about until we
got to until we got to where we like it was getting close to we
knew he was about to be at a certain aid station where we
could actually finally see him.
We didn't really know what Hezekiah was doing, to be quite
honest.
He had airplane mode on, we couldn't see anything, couldn't
talk to him, nothing.
So it was fun.
We were having a blast.
What what you got on that first little hike?
SPEAKER_03: I was about to say we were flying kind of blind.
I don't know if we made it clear to the audience, but I think you
did, but like the first 40 miles, we don't get to see them.
And you know, I can't remember what we had made as an
assumption, but we had some time, you know, we had quite a
significant amount of time.
We hadn't got there yet, but I know at one point we were
looking around at each other.
We'll get to this in a second.
We were like, hey, this whole crewing thing ain't so bad.
We're just popping around from hike to hike, beautiful spot to
beautiful spot.
Yep.
Did you did you get the irony on the back end of that trip making
that statement?
Because I thought it, man, this came due making that comment
earlier in this thing, didn't it?
SPEAKER_01: Listen, it sure did.
I tell you that.
That was I was gonna get to that whenever we got to our next
hike.
We had times, I think we were thinking like he would be there
around six or seven, is what we were thinking.
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
SPEAKER_01: So we did the hike.
We're like, man, this is awesome.
Let's go back to the Airbnb.
We hung out there for a little bit.
Then we're like, all right, we're hungry, let's go get some
lunch.
Zach hits us up with this.
I mean, it was an awesome Mexican spot for for where it
was at.
We get there, there's nobody in the restaurant, and I'm like,
this is probably gonna be terrible because there's nobody
here, and then we're like eating the food, talking about why it's
like, this is so good.
Why is nobody here?
And look at our phone and it's like 11.05 or yeah, something
like that.
We had been there since like 1040, some somewhere around
those lines.
The guy, I wish I knew the restaurant we went to because
the guy in there, he was asking where we were from.
Dude gave us all types of recommendations that he was
like, this is where the locals go.
This is you know, like different different hikes and stuff like
that.
Um at that point, though, we went back to did we go back to
the house after that?
I don't even think we went back to the house.
SPEAKER_03: I know we didn't go back to the house because we
were all burping up that thing on our next spot that we went.
We did not.
SPEAKER_01: So next spot we went, devil's something.
I don't know the I don't know the Devil's Bridge.
Okay.
Next spot we went, Devil's Bridge.
We run up into Sedona.
We're like, all right, we it's two o'clock in the afternoon by
this point, and we're thinking, dude's gonna be done pretty
soon.
So we go up to Devil's Bridge, do a little another five-mile
hike.
Basically, we got some eight, we did eight miles, Zach did 15
miles, got some food, went and did another hike slash run.
I thought I was gonna die after like the first mile.
I was so full trying to run.
And then um we ended up, we said dad, there's like a two-mile
straight shot to Devil's Bridge, and we were like, no, we're not
doing that.
Let's take the long way.
Zach obviously leaves the mountain goate, is leaves us
before we can even start, pretty much.
He gets up there.
For the people that have never been to this and want to go to
Devil's Bridge, it's it's a super nice hike.
However, about what would you say, a quarter mile before you
get to the bridge?
It is straight up and you are climbing rocks.
It's not a run, it is you are climbing the the face of a of a
canyon.
SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
You're scaling that sucker, man.
unknown: Yeah.
SPEAKER_03: What happens when you get up there?
SPEAKER_01: So you get up there and you take a picture.
You actually let me rephrase that.
You get up there, you sit in a long line to take a picture
across a little gorgeous like it looks smaller in photos.
We've we've got some photos that we've put up already, if y'all
want to go look at them.
But uh essentially it's just like a little bridge that has a
hole underneath it is connected on two sides, and I mean it's
probably what, like six, eight feet wide, something like that.
SPEAKER_03: I wouldn't say it's much more than eight feet.
When you're looking at it, it's more intimidating than eight
feet.
It don't look like you got eight feet wide.
Yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that being said, if you go to one of the
edges, you're probably like a 50 foot drop straight down.
At least.
And there were people climbing on that thing, like there wasn't
no, like there was a two-inch drop straight down, you know.
SPEAKER_03: I thought, so I got up there a little bit earlier
than you guys did.
And when I got up there and put my eyes on it, I'm like, this is
a long line.
I'm not sure how far behind they are.
I'm just gonna go ahead and sit in this line.
Started inching closer and closer to it being our turn.
And I was like, worst case, I'll have this spot safe for them for
one of them wanting to no doubt take this picture.
But bro, I I had I was developing pits in my stomach.
I felt like I was watching Alex Honnold scale Taipei 101 or Free
Solo, L Cap, you know.
That's what it felt like to me.
It wouldn't give away.
I like tried to force myself to look at it like you're taking
this picture, you're never up here to, you know.
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
SPEAKER_03: But that worked out nicely by the time y'all had
gotten up there.
We kind of like got our way to all being able to take our
picture and uh no regurts type of thing.
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, I hear you.
You were you were uh you were second in line whenever we got
up there.
Hell, I didn't even see you.
You were so far up in the line.
I'm sitting up in the top of the like waiting on Jared, and what
I think is waiting on you, and Jared looks down at me, he's
like, Zach's right up here at the front.
I was like, Oh never mind, I'm gonna go over there.
Thankfully, some nice lady let us.
uh let us skip everybody in line and take a little group photo.
Um but it was funny I I never realized you were that afraid of
heights so that was uh me neither that was cool to that
was cool to find out I learned something it was at this point
though what Zach's talking about Zach and I are walking back down
on our way back and we're like man we enjoy we're loving this
uh yeah screwing thing uh what hikes are we gonna do next you
know we're thinking oh yeah this is gonna be an easy week for us
little did we know it was about to that was about to change you
know so we should have probably uh thought about that a little
more we get down from that dude we stink at that point like oh
yeah we smell awful so we're like get back to the car we
still got probably two hours and now we've got Hezekiah's we
still have Hezekiah's location from the tracker it's just not
working that well and he's at like my somewhere between 25 and
30 and we don't get to see him till 40.
So we're like all right we got at least like two three hours at
this point because we know what his pace expectations are I'm
like dude there's a the guy at lunch told us about a creek that
we could that we could ride up and see so I'm like hey let's go
jump in that creek we're covered in red crap everywhere I'm like
hey let's go let's go jump in this creek and um and basically
just rinse off so we don't smell as bad.
We all get up to the creek.
This is where the epic photo of our mountain goat falling is is
I'm about waist deep in the creek down at like a calm
section and Jared and and Zach are up in the top where there's
some rapids and I'm sitting there next thing you know I I
look up and Zach is Zach has slipped on a rock and his ass is
straight on the ground.
Jared before I think honestly I think Jared before Zach even hit
the ground Jared had pulled out his phone and was snapping a
photo which was so funny that he did that.
SPEAKER_03: That made it even better I have no idea how he did
it that fast because it happened so fast that first step I took
I'm in the cold water but I took a step out on a I guess smoother
and slicker rock than I thought and I'm on my butt like hurting
full force on my butt like quick I hit and I kind of like start
to pull myself up real quick and I'm taking some deep breaths and
I look back at Jared and I'm like Jared just go and take a
picture of this he's like bro I've already taken five pictures
I'm like how did you take it take it that fast I'm still I'm
still feeling with that man like I'm I think I broke it.
I think I broke something back there.
SPEAKER_01: He's over there rolling around telling us he
broke his tailbone and I I can tell he's hurting ooh that was
I've not laughed so hard.
After we actually found out he was okay I laughed I I got some
pretty good laughs down there.
That was that was something so then we go at that point
Hezekiah is texting us talking about how essentially for the
first time this this is when I think the man hit the wall
because and we can talk about it or we can let him talk about it
later he went out there with not the best nutrition strategy in
the world and we kind of like told him this is not the best
nutrition strategy in the world like think about it.
And at mile 30 I want to say is when he texted us and was like I
can't hold anything down I can't drink any water I can't take
gooze I can't drink tailwinds like I'm in trouble.
And we're like boss you got 10 well first off we ain't coming
to get you at mile 30.
Secondly you got 10 miles to the next aid station basically get
your tail there and we'll reassess at that point.
We weren't even giving him the option to leave at mile thirty
and I think that that right there is why he chose us to be
there you know absolutely so we obviously know we got a little
bit of time we ended up doing our third hike of the day which
was not a long hike it was a little small one I think it was
one two mile hike um while we were waiting on him and we were
also waiting on Ward at this time too because we were
thinking hey let's talk to Ward check on him make sure they're
all okay because we wanted to we wanted to help help him as well
and Ward had also slowed down as well.
So we did a hike went ate dinner in downtown Sedona we got a
little bit of time.
I I dude do you remember when Hezekiah rolled into that first
aid station it was somewhere between like eight and nine
eight and ten something like that sounds right yeah so prior
to that do you want us to take a step back about Andy Glaze?
SPEAKER_03: Yeah yeah yeah I didn't even think about Andy
Glaze because that's where I'm trying to orient it to so I
think after we did that third hike correct me if I'm wrong
super flat beautiful it kind of teased me I wish we could have
got to run that one but I think we were just kind of out of time
or thought he'd get back sooner.
I think we were orienting back to that aid station and you of
all people like we got to shout out our man JG who's like
following the influencer scene and all the details like Andy
Glaze is his dude but you're sitting shotgun and you look
across my way driving on the other side of the street and
you're like is that Andy Glaze?
That's Andy Glaze and then unmistakably me and Jared look
out and it's the um covered face sunscreen Andy Glaze kind of
smiling.
I think Jared caught him with a picture with him smiling.
Jared's like that's sure enough Andy Glaze and we kind of do
some math on the Coca Donna route and I'm like he's gonna be
at this aid station in short orders we went out and got a um
a really cool spot that wasn't like around a central a bunch of
mass of people that would recognize who he was it felt
like it was just us there waiting for him on that trail
and it was cool we got to walk watch him run by Jared had his
camera out took a video and unfortunately Jared shut his
camera off before he captured Jared saying something to him
Jared said good job Andy looking glue he said something like good
job smile you're doing it wrong and Andy just snaps back smiling
and he says it's all smoke and mirrors brother and and he to
Andy's credit he was moving good like his body and his turnover
was good.
He was still like jogging pretty good at that point but you could
tell like he was a ghost in his face like he was in a deep spot.
SPEAKER_01: Dude it's funny because we we saw that happen
and and like two miles later we're we're essentially looking
at Andy I think Jared was watching Andy Glaze's stories
and we're like we can kind of associate where he's at on the
race course and he's like it was probably 30 minutes later after
that he was he was two miles down the road or something maybe
an hour I don't remember but he was two miles down the road and
he was like yeah I'm starting to hallucinate and he's like seeing
spots or something chasing him and that we're just like hey
he's probably hallucinating when we were talking to him he
probably don't remember us see seeing us at all almost you know
so that's funny.
I completely honestly I wanted to talk about that and
completely forgot we were on the we were on the influencer hunt
all the whole time though we were looking we were looking for
the top names all over the place and thankfully it just happened
to happen where we saw Andy on on the side of the road along
the race route like we didn't even know that was a 250 race
route we just thought those people honestly as we were
driving by Andy I think we thought he was lost.
SPEAKER_03: Yeah we were like what is he doing on the sidewalk
you know and then I look up and see him and I'm like I think
that's Andy yeah it definitely is never mind that's Andy and
anyway that's a good point because at that point we hadn't
seen like a bunch of runners out you know we're we were driving
down like downtown Sedona at that point I don't feel like we
saw a bunch of runners out and I think Andy seemed like the first
one so it was weird to see like Andy lost that's definitely Andy
you know what's going on here yeah but it was a part of the
route so I'm not saying it wasn't because it it definitely
was especially for the not for the 125ers it was for the 250ers
so it was a pretty cool little section.
SPEAKER_01: Anyway we get to so we end up getting to the aid
station we're there at like hell I don't know eight somewhere
between eight and ten and we end up seeing seeing Ward he's not
doing fantastic I want to say he was not holding food down at
that point his wife told me and we're kind of chit chatting and
talking to him and he um he ended up going going to the
Airbnb because I believe they had an Airbnb close he was
trying to get him something to eat trying to get warm and then
um took a I think he I want to say he told me he took a night I
Zach and I talked to him after the race I think he told us he
took a nice hot shower at that aid station just to try to get
mentally refocused.
He ends up coming out while Hezekiah has already come in
he's sitting at the Hezekiah sitting at the in the car anyway
we get Ward gets off he gets going he's he's back out there
he's probably starts 20 30 minutes before Hezekiah but
Hezekiah's in the car Zach and I are like he's telling us how he
can't hold any food down he he's only drinking water he's got
nothing else and we're like dude eat some real food we give him a
burger I mean honestly the guy looked like he had absolutely no
life into in him at that point we get him a we get him a real
burger and you can just see the body start start start turning
it was super funny how that kind of worked out he was um he I
think he was like mentally refocused almost at that point
it was it was interesting to see like what a some actual carbs
could do to him.
SPEAKER_03: Dude it's like you could see the life come back
into him as that burger was getting into his stomach that
was one of my big takeaways is you know we'll probably do like
lessons learned or things that made us curious about this but
it just reinforces how you can be in a low and then eat your
way out of it or take care of yourself and get out of it
really quickly because it it didn't seem like it even took
him that long like when he got to us he would look like he was
in a bad spot but by the time he got that burger down he was back
to that almost Hezekiah energy really quick.
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely I thought he I thought he did a great job
at that we get him some more food uh he takes a bunch of
water I'm talking about that boy that boy drank his water his
body weight and water three times over at Sedan it was
unbelievable I've never seen somebody drink so much water in
my life I I still will say that to him it was just unbelievable
how much water he he consumed um we get him back on the race
course we've got an hour back to the Airbnb at that point I think
we I don't think we got in and got to bed till like 1 a.m you
know um so then we could see Hezekiah at mile let's say 55
somewhere around there Zach was pacing Hezekiah for 25 miles at
mile 73 we had another spot where we could kind of pit stop
him and help him at mile 55.
So Jared and I took the responsibility of hey we're
gonna wake up early get up there see him get him back and then
we'll come pick you back up Zach and kind of get everybody get
back to where we need to be at mile 73.
Well Hezekiah was like hey I'm gonna be there at nine he called
he texts us at like 620 and it's like I'm 10 minutes out and
we're like oh my word we're 45 minutes away so Jared and I no
shower no toothbrush no breakfast no nothing get in the
car haul tail up to the aid station so we can assist him
with stuff was in fantastic shape at that point.
I mean just living living life to the fullest it he was like on
a serious high at mile 55.
It was fun to see he obviously went back to the aid station and
got real food again and was eating real food.
He wasn't really eating goose and wasn't drinking a bunch of
tailwind at that point.
So I I think that was a great idea.
I also think he probably his stomach was probably so upset
from drinking and eating that little bit of stuff he didn't
want it anymore.
So I think it probably would have helped him if he would have
been able to consume a little bit of tailwind later in the
race but needless to say dude was in great shape there.
We come back get Zach I don't dude we didn't even have time to
unfortunately do a hike the second day this is where we talk
about like pacing was so much fun and now we're like don't
even have time to actually do anything around the area.
Because we had we were planning on doing hikes at every single
right after we dropped Hezekiah off at every single aid station
basically but we ended up going to we kind of drove like a park
rode essentially up way up into the mountains saw a super high
point got around got to Hezekiah at mile 73 and that is where the
fun began of Zach pacing Hezekiah and I will let you tell
that story.
SPEAKER_03: This is Muns Park aid station 73 point course I
remember getting there would would 2 p.m ish ish be about the
same because I feel like we got there a little bit early you'd
say so yeah it's about 2 p.m it's warm one of my observations
from that desert dry heat I used to work out in that area I was
out there a lot but it was just a reminder 71 Fahrenheit felt
hotter and 40 Fahrenheit felt a lot colder.
So the hotter the hot air quotes felt hotter and the cold felt
colder now in the shade that that low dry bulb like humidity
level in that 71 highest of the day up to 80s you kind of felt
cool in the shade.
Like if you weren't in the sun it didn't feel too bad.
But anyways I I segue into all right now I'm trying to get my
arms wrapped around taking this man 25 26 miles through the
middle of the night starting about 4 p.m and we are in a
checkpoint where pacers and runners have to have mandatory
cold weather gear.
I guess it was yeah it was two o'clock right because at 157 you
walk by a coffee shop that was at that aid station was like
Zach this spot's gonna close in two minutes I was like dude what
a freaking lifesaver I want a cup so you snagged it before
they closed so I got some coffee in me and now I'm prepping for
how do I layer out of this thing when it's still kind of warm in
the sunlight and I opted I went back and forth you almost had me
convinced to go half tight and then I thought through that and
I was oscillating but I ended up going like long compression
sleeve socks and then long tights and that ended up being
the right move long sleeve base layer moisture wicking shirt and
then I just had this like tiny fast pack that it it was able to
hold like a puffy down jacket a beanie and two pairs of gloves
and then nutrition and I took one two I took three 17 ounce
soft flasks with me.
And honestly Anthony that all of that kitted out was like ideal
and perfect I remember as we were getting into um into that
section of the run like I remember like slowly adding
layers and it was cool because it was like helping me offload
my pack but man we we clipped off like seven miles and at the
pace we were going we weren't burning down the roads or
anything but they went by really quickly I felt like that was
effective pace and we were talking the whole time and it
seemed to evaporate seven or so miles in that sun's starting to
set and the sunsets out there seem like they take 90 minutes.
Like the sun will start going down the temps will go down and
then you have those like beautiful Arizona multicolor
sunsets and and then dusk feels like it's another 30 minutes
away but we're getting getting into that section he actually
stops and wants to put a layer on and this is about that mile
seven into that loop point point and sun goes down good and it's
just me and him and he's in a good state and we start coming
up on sun going down completely it's dark headlamps are on and
we come up on two other runners and they are they were in tough
spots um one was banged up his toe shout out to Shane ended up
being one of those fast friends that you meet on the trail and
the other one was Billy from Chicago area and they weren't
bad shape they were still moving and they still had rock solid
mental mindsets but they could do with having a pacer and when
we first came up on them I think they thought I was in the race
as well too and I quickly looked up to those guys and hey dudes
why don't y'all turn y'all's brain off I'm gonna hop to the
front of this train and y'all just tuck in and keep going and
we did that um all the way up to mile 91 at that interim aid
station that didn't have access to crew that was Kelly Canyon.
But that was that 18 mile section was epic adventures
highs of highs lows of lows we've got caffeinated version
hez that came to a screeching halt falling off a cliff at the
end that I let him tell that story there are some certain
experiences had out there that were first time experiences and
I I'll just say from my seat that's what he came for and
that's part of what inspired me it's overcoming those low lows
and um I might just park it at that Anthony and say I'm really
proud of how he dug and found his way out of that.
But he was in a real bad spot up until the very end of that
section for about a mile he was in a bad spot.
So I knew I just had to get him to that that Kelly Canyon aid
station and fairly up until that point he really had not slept
right I think at one point or two points we tried to get him
to rest early days section 40 at that Sedona Ranger aid station
but he didn't fall asleep you know he rested.
So that lack of sleep is really setting in hard at this point.
And Kelly Canyon mile 91 we knew it wasn't going to be a fitted
out proper proper get some good sleep aid station and we had
another eight miles to Fort Tuthill mile 99.3 where you and
Jerry were going to be waiting for us we had the van there and
they had um a really nice setup of places you could sleep on
clots cots in a in a closed room so we got we got to Kelly Canyon
and the way he showed up to Kelly Canyon this is probably
one o'clock in the morning there was no way he was leaving that
aid station in the condition he's in he's got a funny story.
He said I don't remember this but I think I guess I told him
don't talk to anyone don't look at anyone directly in the eyes
go sit in that chair and try to fall asleep and I will I will
bring you food but keep your talking to a minimum I don't
want anybody to pull you off this course right so I let him
sit there.
I think Strava shows about an hour and 30 minute stop at that
mile 18 or 19 on my on my track and he sat there and he sat
there for a while he ate some chicken nuggies a couple rounds
of those we got I let that hour and 15 go by and a guy was that
aid station was really cool the volunteers like shout out to all
of them they wanted to be there but they had this one guy that
was kind of hovering and observing and I'm sure his job
was like safety control out there and make sure nobody needs
to go back out but he heard us talking and I was really trying
to condition Hezekiah once he was ready to get on the road
let's make it to Fort Tud Hill and he's going to get a good
rest.
And he kind of leaned in and he said yeah man you're not gonna
get any good rest here.
It's time for you guys to get up and go and Hezekiah kind of sits
up and is jiving with it.
He's got a switchbout switched on look back in his eyes and we
kind of get up and you know we he he describes the next session
as being one of the easiest ones it's non-technical pretty flat
and to that man's credit he wasn't just saying that to get
us out there Hezekiah started started that and we started
seeing paces that he hadn't ran all day like 20 minute 19 minute
18 minute 17 minute miles in succession right there.
So I was really proud of him to go from that really low low
entering chilling for a little bit and then going out and
hitting some paces he hadn't sit was awesome.
So we're coming up on miles 20 21 22 23 24 together the sun's
starting to break we're making our way to Fort Tuthill and it's
just a wild experience man to say like you know you're out
there for 12 whatever it was right 12 plus hours and it's
just hard to put into perspective of what that was
like it it's cool.
Like you see the sun go down and the sun come up and I'm sitting
here refreshing back to like man it wasn't that long ago we were
looking at Devil's Bridge like this whole pacing thing went so
bad.
And we'll talk about how well I handle sleep deprivation and
lack thereof but we get him to Fort Tudhill to you guys.
There you go.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah so at Fort Tudhill we obviously give him
some sleep I think he laid down for probably what would you say
like two and a half two hours two and a half hours maybe yep
definitely two.
I think our I think our biggest mission was get him some food
don't don't Hezekiah loves to talk to people and he is a very
social guy and I love that about him.
But our mission was like make him shut up and get to the van
essentially like we don't want to waste time chatting like we
want him to get to sleep because he's delusional essentially and
that's what we did.
I mean it took us 30 30 plus minutes probably to get him down
but we we got him down and he ended up getting about two two
hours two and a half hours of sleep and at that point it was
my time to pace him I think I was worried about this and I
knew this was going to kind of be like after he slept there
because this is the first time he slept that this was probably
going to be one of the harder sections for him in a sense of
like physically because He was demanding because he was just
tired, you know.
Um, so my biggest thing was keep him honest.
I I knew where he wanted to be, somewhere up between a
20-22-minute mile at that point.
It basically was just a smooth, steady walk.
Um, so that's what I did.
And and I would I would leave him if if we got slower than two
22-minute mile pace, I was leaving him.
I wasn't giving him the benefit of the doubt of like, I'm gonna
be here and be your friend and help you.
Nah, we like this is what you said you wanted to do, and
that's what that's what I did.
I kind of felt bad about it because he was in bad shape, and
I was just like, dude, I was playing music, I was playing
David Goggins, and and in it, I was doing just about everything
I could to cheer up his spirits, um, just to kind of get him
going.
Ended up being like probably the last three miles, got him on the
on this little like 30-second jog, minute run, minute walk,
30-second jog, minute walk.
We kind of did that for a little bit, and then at some point,
Hezekiah was basically like, Hey, I want to try to jog at a
15-minute mile pace for 30 straight minutes.
I said, Alright, get on my get on my feet and let and I'll I'll
take you here, you know.
Um, ended up doing that pretty well, and um we essentially got
him to got him to the aid station.
It took took a little bit, but we we got him there, and then
him and uh him and Jared ascended on their way for the
last, I want to say they had an 11-mile journey.
I had 14 with him, Zach did 20, Zach did 25, I did 14, and Jared
did 11, I want to say something, something around those paces or
times.
And then Zach and I got to we're I on three hours of sleep in.
Zach's on Dr.
Run on 36 hours of no sleep.
Um and I was like, hey, I haven't ate anything.
This is where I messed up.
I brought two flasks of water and no nutrition whatsoever,
thinking I would be just fine and dandy.
And by the time we got to the aid station, I was like, I am in
bad shape.
So it was uh that was that was funny for myself, but we ended
up leaving.
Zach and I went down somewhere downtown to to watch the race
finish and watch watch some people finish.
I thought I thought the downtown finish was epic, dude.
What'd you think about it?
SPEAKER_03: Dude, that was awesome, man.
Like we were set up on like the last turn.
It was a left-hand turn coming down into Flagstaff in the city.
And you know, there was a restaurant right there on the
corner, and they ran right by us on a sidewalk.
And after they made that left, it's just straight until you
make the famous turn down the alley where people are at, the
live stream shooting and the finish line.
And man, we must have sat there for a couple hours, at least two
hours, maybe three, and it was just some epic people watching,
from the people walking down the sidewalk to the NAU graduation
to the runners and zombies we were seeing come in front of us.
But we would hear and see things like this old lady couple with
her husband.
I heard her run up to her husband on the front of us on
the sidewalk.
They started running on Monday, they're running 250 miles, you
know.
SPEAKER_01: We heard it all, man.
Dude, we did hear it all.
It was it was so funny watching all those people uh that didn't
know about the race.
They were like, what do y'all doing?
They're like, Oh yeah, we just ran 250 miles, and they're like,
What?
You know, it was just it was so awesome to see.
We actually got to see, like we said, some of the some of the
race leaders that were there um that won the race, like Rachel,
Killian.
Um, and then there's honestly, there's actually a bunch of
other professionals that were there as well, just taking it
all in and watching people finish.
I thought that was super cool to to see those people back out on
the race course, you know.
SPEAKER_03: Dude, that was awesome.
True Heart Brown was there.
Jeff Pelieta, I think is how you say his name, popular YouTube
channel, Rachel, Killian, Molly Seidel, all right there.
Yeah, that was really neat.
That was cool.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I thought it was I thought that was super
cool as well.
We um so we waited on Hezekiah to get there.
Essentially, dude is straight up finally.
I'm not saying finally gets there, but eventually gets
there.
We kind of all did the little like, what would you say,
quarter mile finish with him?
It's very popular for everybody in the aid stations.
Everybody that helps support do that.
They run in probably like a quarter mile into the finish
line and watch their person finish so that they can get a
finisher photo with them.
Shout out to our boy Chris Lott because we told him we were
coming in and he videoed the whole thing and watched Hezekiah
finish, so that was awesome.
And then, yeah, we got Hezekiah.
Hezekiah told Zach myself, he told me multiple times that all
he wanted was a New York style Domino's pizza meat lovers from
from Domino's.
I'm talking about like 20 different times.
So we made sure to get Hezekiah his dominoes whenever we
whenever we headed back to the house.
SPEAKER_03: You know, there's a th phrase going around.
We you've got to mention this on the podcast too, Coco Curious.
I think we were left with asking ourselves questions about that
250-mile distance, 125 mile distance.
I think it stirred something in all of us.
Where do you come down on this a couple days removed, assuming
some good nights of sleep?
Like, what are your thoughts?
What are like some takeaways from that whole experience,
Anthony?
How are you thinking?
SPEAKER_01: Dude, this is why I wanted to kind of get to the end
of that so we could talk about this before we had to get off
the pod.
But um it's funny because I think the first night it was
that I'm looking at you and I'm like, dude, I think I'm gonna
do, I think I'm gonna sign up for the lottery for the 250 next
year.
And you're like, yeah.
I was like, dude, I think I'm gonna sign us both up.
We're just gonna try to get in.
And you're like, you were not as accepting of that as I was.
I was like, I'm just doing it, you know.
And then um within 24 hours, I was like, there's no way in hell
I'm doing this 250-mile race.
Now that like a few days removed from it, I I don't know.
I it got me excited, it got me curious to want to do something
like this race.
I don't know that I want to start off with like a 250.
Um, but I will say what it got me curious of wanting to do was
go push the limits at a higher mileage mark than I've ever hit,
and potentially go to something like a bigger race, such as
Sedona.
What are your what are your thoughts about it?
SPEAKER_03: Definitely.
One thing that I struggled with was thinking about, we talked
about this too, but for the audience, it's like it's not
like even Rachel or Killian is necessarily now they looked
great, don't get me wrong.
But there will be a point in this race, according to Walter,
where let's just say you're 150 miles in and maybe you're going
through a low patch and moving at like two miles an hour.
It would be really hard, and you would have to be mentally locked
beforehand of like, I'm 150 miles in, I'm moving at two
miles an hour, ultra math, I've got a hundred to go.
There's some difficult questions and things that you need to be
locked in before you get into that race.
You know what I mean?
Like that that came over me like a wave, and we weren't in that
race.
So that was one that kind of stuck with me during and after
the race.
But a lot like what you said, it did leave me with like that kind
of seeking beauty in the next adventure and not just wanting
to burn a hundred-mile match or or above on some road course
without any views, like it left me wanting to be out in nature,
like adventure style match burning next time I do one.
SPEAKER_01: Yep, I I would totally agree with you on that.
I think it was um it was it was a curious event for all of us.
I think you and I have both kind of talked about it a little bit.
Basically, what you're just saying of like, hey, next one we
go do, it doesn't have to be a flying race, but I want to drive
somewhere where we've got some views and are able to see
something as we're covering this ground of a hundred miles plus,
whatever it be, you know.
Um, and I think it I I'm not gonna put words into his mouth,
but I think it also made um made uh Jared Coco, we'll call it
Coco Curious, because he was talking about potentially
looking into a few different things, you know.
Um so I I I we'll see.
I I think I think you will see something crazy or epic come out
of this podcast next in the next 12 months.
SPEAKER_03: Think you caught us all on uh ultra sign up at some
point on a flight home.
So I think we're all gone.
SPEAKER_01: I called Zach on speaking of, I called Zach on
Zach's over here telling me he's not doing anything, and then
next thing you know, I look up, he's two seats in front of me,
his phone's up, and all it's got is what was it, Western states
that you were looking at?
SPEAKER_03: Qualifying races.
SPEAKER_01: It's like Western State qualifying races, and I
was just like, I got off the flight, I was like, Oh, I
thought you weren't interested in the big race, and he's he's
like, Ah, you caught me.
So yeah, it was funny.
I you know what I his I haven't told you this yet, Zach, but
here's how serious I was about signing up for the 250.
Is I put my name on the way on the lottery list for the ultra
sign up for the 250.
And before we got home, I had already taken my name off.
You showed that on the pod.
That's hilarious.
Because I told Michaela, I was like, we got home, and I was
like, Yeah, she was like, You want to do something like this?
I was like, It's funny you asked that because I had not even told
you this, but I put myself down for the lottery.
It goes from like May 1st to the 18th or something, is the dates
that you can list.
And I was like, I put my name down for the lottery, and she
was like, Yeah.
She's like, Are you serious?
We're gonna do the 250.
And I was like, No, I already took my name off.
She was like, Oh my god, that must have been that bad.
I was like, Yeah, it was.
Let me uh let me ask you one more question and we'll get off
because we got to get back to work.
But um, is there anything you think you learned from this
experience that you could give the audience?
SPEAKER_03: Good one.
There's certainly some things or theories or things I've been
working on previously that were reinforced being part of this.
One, let's see if I can rattle this.
One was certainly taking care of yourself early and often in the
races, or as soon as something crops up and not waiting to say,
Oh, it's just a rock in my shoe, or it's just a stomach that'll
turn.
No, go ahead and address it.
I think both of both you and I were helping Hezekiah with bro,
you got plenty of time.
Take care of it, right?
So that's one.
Two would be something of this nature is just again, just the
reinforcement on how strategic you should be with pacing,
especially over something this long, especially if you or I to
get into 250 miles, you know.
You don't have to get so wrapped up into attempting to run
everything.
Just talking to myself here, you know, but there are spots you
should just be hiking in low zone hiking and trying to
recover.
That was really reinforced here, too.
Third, picking up from two.
It's like carbs are great for marathons when you're running Z3
and higher, carbs are great when you're burning matches, like
running at high intensity, but people need to check their
relationship with carbs with respect to endurance races like
this.
And Hezekiah has a good framework now where it's it's
great to carry them for emergency issues.
Of course, your body's using carbs throughout the course of
something this long, but man, why not eat real food when
you're out there, you know?
And it's so much easier on your stomach instead of just
sabotaging yourself trying to take in high carb intake.
I've certainly done that at Big Butts before.
That was reinforced from here.
Those are the ones that kind of come to mind that were
reinforcements, Anthony.
What about what about you?
I'm sure you picked some stuff up.
SPEAKER_01: Dude, I think the I think probably the biggest one
for me.
Well, I've got a few, but I'll start with the big one, which
was kind of what you just alluded to was the food
situation.
I think the carbs and the gels are fantastic supplement for
what you're what you need.
And if you feel low on the course, like you have something.
But at that, at that point, like you're burning so much fuel,
there's only so much those carbs are gonna do.
Like you have to your body has to regulate some type of real
food, or you're you're gonna cra like it's inevitable, you're
gonna crash.
You can't just sustain what 61 hours, I think is what we said
he finished in.
You can't sustain gels, carb mixed drinks, and gummies for 61
hours and doing 125 miles.
It's it's not gonna sustain you.
Like you you're gonna flop out every time.
Another one that I thought that was interesting, and I know
Hezekiah has kind of talked to us about it already, which is
once you get to where he's at in the race, um, let's say at the
mile 70s, at the mile 90s, at the you know, those type of
places, it is a point of like you and your you and your people
who are helping you, who are supporting you during that race,
need to have some kind of in-tuneness of what you like and
different things.
You don't need to think like, oh, please give me some gels,
please, like you don't need to be telling them what you need to
a sense of like breaking down every little thing.
Those people need to have it for you, type of thing.
You know what I mean?
Because Hezekiah, I mean, say what you want, dude's pretty
much delusional at mile 99.
Like, he doesn't know what he wants.
You know what I mean?
And I think that anybody, I think you would have been there,
I think I would have been there.
It would have like we would have all been there.
We shouldn't he shouldn't have had to say like, which I mean I
don't think he did, but necessarily, but like, hey, pack
my coal gear, pack my gels, pack my water, like I want waters
here, waters there.
Like they should, it should just be like one, two questions and
then let him rest.
You know what I mean?
His mind shouldn't have he shouldn't come off of the most
physical exerting thing in the world and then take a 15-minute
break and have to be mentally exerted as well.
100% good well said.
Yeah, I think uh I think that was uh that was a big one.
And then um what else would I would I say?
Oh I know that a big thing that I've learned from myself and
Zach is we do not do well without at least three to five
hours of sleep every single night.
Because that was that was one thing I learned off of that type
of stuff is like we we neither one of us I think do well
without sleep, and you could definitely see the difference.
I think it would have been a different mindset had you or I
been in that race and mentally like locked in.
But all I know is I was thinking about it, even running 14 miles
after three three hours of sleep.
I was like, this sucks.
Yeah, yeah.
I can only imagine what it looks like running a hundred and miles
with three hours of sleep.
SPEAKER_03: Dude, that that that's great.
That's one I missed too, Anthony.
That was uh eye-opening for me, and it's certainly something I
want to get into some formats before the end of this year to
kind of work on that and see what it is before I get into
something big, you know, to get an understanding of it.
Because I was not good.
It's it I I've I've learned that I can do it during for that
window, anyways.
Yep, but afterwards, or maybe stringing it out for longer than
I did, I'd have to understand what my body needs one hour, how
do I get to sleep within that hour?
I'm not good at any of that.
SPEAKER_01: So I'll tell you another thing that I've already
started working on that I've that worried me a little bit,
but I'm doing some research into it, so I'm gonna bring it to the
podcast at some point, and that's the ultra-lean.
I I that was like the first time I'd ever really seen that type
of stuff happen.
And Zach caught it out as like I never even heard of that word
that is called the ultra-lean, and Zach caught it out like as
soon as we saw somebody with it.
And I've not I looked into it a little bit with Zach and I in
the car because I was asking questions about it, but I've
already started like doing some more research and and looking
into it physically, like what you can do to if you ever get
out on the race course to potentially help you not have
that situation.
SPEAKER_03: Really cool.
Rachel's mentioned sticking around wanting to meet that man
who was and technically Anthony, he was an unofficial finish,
like he was past it, but they still gave him a buckle.
But she was just so blown away by that guy being out there all
day.
I think we learned it's core muscle related and muscle
imbalance, but yeah, it's crazy to see.
SPEAKER_01: Yep, absolutely.
So I'm sure we'll have some more stuff um come out about Sedona
and Coca-Dona, just highlights and stuff like that.
We wanted to kind of give y'all a little bit of a recap, but um
yeah, that's gonna be the episode for the week.
You got anything else, Zach, before before we dip out of
here?
SPEAKER_03: Just a quick collab mention.
I had some things written down and then I'm checking my
personal email.
It's like perfect, it's already laid up, and this is better.
But endurance state of mind is gonna be collaborating with
Fleet Feet Hattiesburg and Sopro for their big run on June 3rd, 6
p.m.
That's midweek Wednesday, and we're looking to do a live
podcast.
We've been talking about it for a while.
So the aim is to set up start-finish line area and cover
a race live.
That's gonna be exciting.
SPEAKER_01: Zach and I will be racing that we'll Zach and I
will both be running it.
Zach asked me yesterday, he said, should we run it?
And I was he was like, I'm gonna stay back and help you set up.
I was like, nah, boss, I'm getting there early.
We both running this thing.
So uh maybe we do a live podcast for 30 minutes as we go.
That would be funny.
Um anyway, so collab coming soon.
If if y'all sign up and there's a place for like comments or
notes, and you uh just put you know that you heard about it
from us.
I'm sure you didn't, but just just say it, it'll help us out.
SPEAKER_03: Hey, it's the big run, and there might be a big
announcement there as well, too.
Hey, that is true.
SPEAKER_01: There's a possibility.
So we'll uh we'll see you all there on uh June 2nd.
I think that's the next big thing we got coming up.
All right, June 3rd, I mean.
June 2nd.
Right?
SPEAKER_03: Yep, June 3rd.
Pack it, pick up June 2nd if you want it early.
Perfect.
SPEAKER_01: All right, we'll see everybody next week and uh enjoy
it.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
Turn it up.
Yeah.
From back rows to start lines, early mornings, late nights,
eyes on the pavement, head down, chasing daylight.
Mississippi heartbeat, sweat mixed with the grind.
Pain in the legs, but it's still in the mind.
So the mind with a bit for the fastest, every finish.