Episode 62: Chosen Violence - Solo Runs, Unbound Mud, Tour de France Preview & The Cam Haynes Peptide Debate
It's a hosts-only episode to celebrate Episode 62, and Anthony and Zach come loaded with topics. Zach kicks things off breaking down his spontaneous Saturday 50K through the streets of Hattiesburg — planned the night before, fueled by electrolyte watermelons, and executed with the kind of locked-in energy that only comes when the family's out of town. Anthony counters with a nostalgia-soaked 10-miler through Oxford, Mississippi, retracing his college stomping grounds and realizing that a walk he used to dread is now just a warm-up.
The guys then dive deep into the weekend's biggest endurance news: the infamous mud chaos at Unbound Gravel 200, where "peanut butter mud" clogged drivetrains, ended races, and had pros walking their bikes through two-mile stretches of Mississippi-style muck. From gravel, the conversation shifts to road cycling as Anthony breaks down the Giro d'Italia results, Jonas Vingegaard's dominance, and — most importantly — introduces the audience to 19-year-old French phenom Paul Seixas, the youngest Tour de France starter in 90 years and a name you'll want to know before July.
Speaking of the Tour, Anthony and Zach preview what to watch for: the opening team time trial, Remco Evenepoel's mysterious first-half absence and what it means for Red Bull's strategy, and whether Tadej Pogačar is simply untouchable at this point.
Then things get genuinely thought-provoking. The guys unpack the Cam Haynes vs. Sage Canaday peptide controversy that's been dividing the ultra running community — debating where the line is between medical necessity, performance enhancement, and transparency, especially for masters athletes competing in non-elite fields. It's a nuanced conversation with no easy answers, and they want to hear where you stand.
To close it out, Anthony teases a documentary on microplastics that will make you rethink everything in your kitchen, and the guys announce two big upcoming events: their first-ever live podcast at the Fleet Feet Big Race at Sopro in Hattiesburg, and Podcast Alley at the Rocket City Marathon in Huntsville, Alabama this December — where both hosts will be racing and looking to cause a little trouble.
If you're into ultra running, gravel cycling, road racing, endurance culture, or just two guys who genuinely love this stuff talking shop, this one's for you.
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Welcome back to endurance state of mind.
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Tonight, today, whenever you're tuning in, you're in for a
special host only, where we are gonna talk about probably our
weekends and topics that's an interest us over the last week
or so.
Plus, there's some exciting things we're gonna slowly start
being able to talk about in more more capacity.
So you'll hear some of that tonight too.
So, Anthony, how are you doing, man?
Dude, I am good.
I feel like life is extremely busy right now, even though I I
was traveling this past weekend, but outside of that, I haven't
felt like I've been going that much.
But dude, life is getting life is getting busy real quick.
You know, I'm glad these days are long right now in the sun,
because I wouldn't see the sun if I couldn't.
You think it's a convergence of like you being at a certain age
and a lot of your friends getting married plus work plus
what do you what do you think is speaking to it?
Yeah, I think it's a mixture of like um maybe friends doing
different stuff.
Michaela and I try to, you know, be a part of people's lives, and
then on top of that, it's just like this is a busy time of year
for me already.
And then I'm stupid enough to not say no to people when I
should.
You know?
So it's just been it's it's it's been hair pulling, but speaking
of speaking of weekends, I was gonna talk about my wedding,
wedding weekend up in Oxford, but I actually kind of want to
start with you because my boy was on a tear this weekend.
Out of nowhere.
Does Carrie even know that you were uh running running the
streets wild?
No.
She probably wouldn't be too happy about it, would she?
No, she wouldn't, she doesn't care at all, but it's more like
I ended up telling her kind of like an in-passing quick
catch-up on Saturday, and it was almost like one air out the
other.
I was like, Yeah, you guys weren't here.
I ended up waking up early anyways.
I just went and ran 50k.
She's like, okay.
Like that it didn't get a rise out of her, you know.
Here's the thing though, is I wasn't talking about the fact
that you ran 50k.
It's where you ran Friday morning miles and then Saturday
morning miles.
Because correct me if I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure you're Friday
morning, you're just running down 98 in Hattiesburg.
Friday morning.
I don't even remember.
And it didn't stick out to me.
Was it probably?
I mean, I wouldn't put it past me.
Yeah, probably.
I think you're right.
Just going all the way down.
Part of this 50k, you're just running down 49.
Dude, this is so funny.
I looked at it like the night before.
I was like trying to make what's the coolest like loop that I
haven't run that's big, you know?
And I kind of like looked at 49 and where it connects, and
there's a parallel road when you get up north of 49 before you
get to 42.
And the first thought I had in my head was like, This kind of
looks like a cycling loop.
And then when I actually got on the run and came down, so you I
ran all the way up 49.
There was a parallel road when I got about five miles from my
house, hopped on that, wasn't as public, and then I got to 42.
And then at once you get on 42, I went west for a little bit and
then came back down to Epley.
That was my first time running on Epley.
And when I got to Epley, I was like, this has to be one of the
routes to cyclists take because this is an awesome little
stretch right here.
It's like really cool.
Past yeah, past I passed Jed's group.
Grayson was in the first group, probably like five people back,
and they were rolling, and I was locked in and rolling.
I'm over 20 in at this point, but he kind of acknowledged me
quickly.
And then when I got back, he was like, dude, it's next level for
you to run a cycling route.
I was like, I knew this was a cycling route.
Yes, it was a cycling route.
You were definitely on it.
Um it was it was cool to see.
I was like, I was talking to Michaela about it.
I was like, look at what Zach's doing.
The dude is literally just like, I said, Carrie's gone.
My guys just straight up chose violence because I was like,
he's just running down 98.
Because that's all I can see.
You know, like yeah, the like you can say, oh, five miles down
the road, you you were off of you were like on a side street,
which you were, and that I will give you it, it is very much a
cycling route.
However, there was a a nice little stretch in this map where
you're just straight up running down the side street of 49.
Yeah, definitely, definitely.
Uh, definitely.
It looked fun though.
Yeah, I tell you, man, it was one of those ones where I I joke
and say, like, man, I don't wake up and choose violence.
I planned that violence the night before.
I went to bed, you know, and I just got into like, you know how
this is, it's almost kind of like race feeling.
None of this was race feeling, but like laying my stuff out the
night before, got my little goodie bag from the Hezekiah
trip that we got to take home, like we're adults at a birthday
party.
I broke that sucker out, Anthony.
Got them salted uh cis watermelons or strawberries out
that had the electrolytes.
I was like, I'll never try these, I'm gonna try these.
So I had all my equipment kind of laid out, had my naked belt,
two 17-ounce flasks in the front, my phone in the back, and
then I I probably brought, I know I actually know exactly how
much I brought.
I brought like 300 grams of carbs, and for the first time
ever in all of my running, I've always wanted to do this, I've
always been mad because I'll just get in the race and just
throw stuff away.
I kept everything I consumed, and I came home and I got my
sodium and my grams of carbs and did the like per hour
calculations.
So I was just yeah, I was just out there vibing, man.
I was just having fun.
It was fun, not having any pressure of needing to be home
at a certain time, just taking it all in, dude.
What time did you get started?
That's the real weird thing.
Like, this sounds weird to me, too.
Like you know, you you were mentioning how busy you are.
I'm really busy with work, and the girls are here, it feels
like even more busy, right?
I had it was a Saturday morning.
I didn't have to get up at any time, I did not have any work
stress on me at that moment.
The girls were not there, and my body woke up at 3 40.
And I said, I looked at my watch and I'd gotten seven hours of
sleep because I fell asleep early.
So I was like, I'm just gonna get out of bed and beat the
heat, you know.
So I took my time, had my coffee, had a good breakfast.
I probably got started around 5 30-ish, 5 40.
Okay.
Because I was done by yeah, I was like done before 10.
So that that's had to have been true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm assuming about nine o'clock, your ass was like, all
right, this is getting a little hot.
I started to notice it on the way back on the trace for sure.
I oh this is funny.
You'll laugh at this.
Our audience, it's pretty relevant from last week's
episode.
I get to Jackson Station and I'm right around a marathon in, and
I'm coming in pretty hot, like, and I'm I'm still rolling, I'm
still moving pretty good.
Like, once I got on the trace, I was like, I'm gonna keep all
these miles under eight, eight-minute mile pace.
That's just like the only goal I had, and I wasn't working too
hard to do that, but I was like, just so I didn't just kind of
like drift off for no reason, you know.
And um, I got to that mile 26 at uh Jackson Station, and lo and
behold, our last week's guest, Ward, is sitting there um
filling his water bottle up.
He said, We were kind of and like we just kind of start, you
know, Ward, we go straight into conversation.
I'm filling up my water bottle.
He just got his done filling up, and he's like, Hey man, what you
what you out here doing today?
And I was like, girls aren't home, I'm running to 50k.
And he looks over me, he starts laughing real good, like, of
course you are.
I said, What you doing, Ward?
He's like, I'm doing 25k, but same, kind of same, you know how
it is when you run into people on the trace in that same frame
of mind, just out there getting it.
That's awesome, dude.
That was it.
It looked like a lot of fun.
I mean, it sounded like a lot of fun too, especially, especially
just watching.
And I know you obviously weren't just like beating yourself down
for miles or anything, or like racing miles, because it didn't
look like you were too sore after, honestly.
Dude, that was a that was one of the takeaways.
It goes back to the nutrition and thing.
I'll be honest with you in the audience, like I had a real pull
to get like weird, like run the trace again, potentially go
after my FKT on the trace again from the faster way, and then
I'm like, uh, I don't want to ask anybody to take me out there
that early.
So that was my like concession.
But dude, to that point, that was a huge takeaway.
Like, I feel really good.
I had some soreness out there this morning, but most of the
time, if I'm running that far, I feel like the need to take a day
or two.
But I think I've learned unless I'm racing that distance, I can
get back to it pretty quickly.
Like, I'm recovering pretty good.
Yeah, that's awesome, dude.
Again, look like a hell of a time, so I I'm I'm sure you
enjoyed that for a little bit of for a little while.
Um, I was up in Oxford this weekend, got to see our boy
Nathan, who is uh David's like partner in crime, basically.
Uh-huh.
Um, he was at this wedding that I was at as well.
Um, but we went up Thursday, and funny enough, I didn't tell you
like I didn't tell you anything about it, but I had already
planned, I'd kind of done the same thing.
And it's it I hear you what you're saying when it's like
mentally you've got a big run in your head.
It's not a race, but to you it's a big run, you know.
So I have everything planned out, got the nutrition out, run
belt ready, you know, that type of stuff.
And I was like planning out a map through Oxford, and then I
realized, you know, it's funny.
This is gonna sound funny, but back whenever I was in college,
there's no way you would ever found me walking the mile from
my house to to the school, and here I am trying to plan out
like a 10-mile run, and I'm like, my gosh, I can see this
entire town like three times in a 10-mile span.
Um, so I I just essentially just made a random route and I I knew
a few key spots that I wanted to go, and I was like, I'm gonna I
I think I know how I can get 10 miles.
I didn't plan anything out specific, but I was like, I
think I know how I can get 10 miles, and I pretty much nailed
it right on the head.
Had to do a little extra point two at the hotel, but nothing
crazy.
Um super fun route, just kind of like you were saying.
I I've been starting a little later just to kind of do some
heat, heat work.
Um but it's been it's dude, it's been cooking whenever I about 9
30, 10 o'clock, whenever I'm finishing.
It is it's I'm cooked, dude.
I think we're there.
Like that heat has been setting in as the sun comes up, and I
think you're dead nuts.
Dude, what was it like taking in Oxford like that?
I I assume you weren't running that those distances when you
were there.
No, I wasn't.
It was it was fun.
It was it was a different state of being there because obviously
whenever I was there, I'm not trying to I was I'm not saying I
was, but I was drunk probably 60% of the time, it felt like,
you know, type of thing.
Um it's just it's so fun to see of like I literally was running
places that were I ran by my old apartment because like I wanted
to get the nostalgia feel, you know.
And I remember I used to complain about like walking home
from the football game to my apartment.
It's like 1.2 miles, and I was like, it's this is taking
forever, you know.
This is so bad.
And now I'm like, that's just not the mindset that I have
anymore, you know.
Um so it was a good time, dude.
It was got to see campus.
I mean, it's it's I don't know what you think whenever you if
you ever go back to state and and when you do what you think,
but you just look at it and you're like, man, it's crazy
what's happening in those cities, and it's just like the
explosion that's happening, essentially, you know.
Dude, yeah, I'm looking at your route right now.
You've got Fraternity Row, you've got the Circle, the
Grove, University Avenue.
You could tell you when I looks epic.
I I plus one to what you say too.
It makes you feel it's a nostalgia feel, and it's also
you're just minds blown at how much money's come into this
campus since we were there.
It feels like it's like wow.
And you're just thinking, man, I wish the money was here back
whenever I was here.
Seriously, you know, but you also kind of think, man, I'm
glad it wasn't here because it would I would have never been
able to afford to live here.
Right, man.
I know.
Two things you said there that really resonate.
I've been thinking I've been on this for a while too, like
traveling with work.
I know you travel a good bit too.
It feels like such a blessing for like 10 miles, you're not 10
miles out, an hour and a half, it looks like.
What a blessing it is when you travel to a new city and like
maybe you're crunched for time, or maybe with Michaela and she's
got you got 90 minutes.
You can kind of get a sense for a city in nine in 10 miles and
you know, 90 minutes.
That's awesome.
I've always appreciated that piece.
Absolutely.
And I think I looked at this.
This has obviously helped a lot with sleep, whenever like I'm
not tired and not restless, like waking up in a new city.
But another thing I took away from funny enough, whenever we
were out in Sedona, like you made sure to kind of get every
mile you could when you could get them, you know.
You were like, I'm gonna find them, type of thing.
And I was kind of doing the same thing.
Like I told Michaela, like I was like, I'm finding 10 miles, I'm
just letting you know.
You know, like I'm gonna be there.
She thankfully she had to work till about lunch, so it kind of
I got to get away and she was like focused on work, and I
wasn't not saying I was having to babysit, I would never have
to babysit, but she's not she's never been there, so she doesn't
know all the places.
So I was like, hey, there's a great coffee shop here.
She hung out there and then I was off.
That's awesome.
Having a day.
Was the wedding the night before?
No, the wedding was the day after.
Okay, okay.
Yeah, I had it in my head, so this is funny.
We text about this a little bit.
I had it in my head for some reason that the wedding was
Thursday, and I was watching your Strava Friday morning
because I know you Friday, you've been kind of you've like
taking Friday, and like that's my day.
And you to your credit, you've been sticking to it.
So for some reason I had it in my head, the wedding's Thursday.
So I was sitting there watching Strava.
Like, all right, I'm this is a test.
I'm not gonna tell him nothing about it.
He went on a wedding, stayed out late.
Who knows?
You know, I want to see this upload.
Yeah, and I think I got some silly message from you, or I
can't remember, but I was like, my man, you passed the test that
I didn't you didn't know you were taking.
No, it was it was so it was Saturday, which I didn't run
Saturday or I was actually trying to find Nathan to run
with him on Saturday, but he ended up leaving the bar before
we did, or like after everybody kind of left, and we I never saw
him.
But um Thursday night we got in like 10:30, and I mean I did I
had plenty of time.
It's kind of like what I've been saying.
I've been starting later to like get this heat adapt heat
adaptation, and it's kind of worked out, honestly, because I
get to sleep a little bit longer.
I it's getting to a point though, if it keeps raining and
keeps getting hot, the humidity is unbelievable right now.
God, I feel like I'm as far far behind as I've been in the last
several years about adapting to it, you know.
And I'm like, I've we've got to focus on that for big butts.
Oh, I know.
That's why I'm like I'm miserable right now, and I'm
thinking, I hope this is helpful for big butts.
Like, I just hope this is gives me some kind of relief at Big
Butts.
Anyway, um, so we we had a we had an awesome thing, we had an
awesome time there.
My my buddy, who's I've told you about him, he's in a he's
wheelchair bound.
He um dude, he gave me a book this week, and I want to send
you the screenshot.
He um he wrote a bunch of stuff in it, uh, and the book of the
book title is Endurance.
It's about uh Antarctic exploration exploration.
Um where the have you ever read this book?
I don't think so.
So I just started reading it.
I'm on the first chapter, but anyway, he gives me the book,
it's called Endurance, and then he talks about like endurance,
and he writes me a little, or I think somebody else wrote it and
he signed it, but wrote me a little thing about endurance in
the book.
So it's pretty cool.
That's special, man.
That's really cool.
Yeah, so just heads up, you may we might I may get you reading
this book at some point.
For sure.
I'm all ears on good reads.
Um, other things, other things in the news that happened this
weekend, dude.
I I don't know if you're keeping up with it a little bit.
I I need to send you some stuff if you weren't, and for the
people listening, just go search unbound.
But unbound gravel 200 was this past weekend.
Dude, in the middle of it, like I think they started off pretty
solid, and then somewhere in the middle, they had a severe
rainstorm.
And there's people it it looked like um the Mississippi 50,
whenever y'all are running in it, and people are biking in
this stuff, and like they're having to get off the get off
their bike and walk through a muddy road for like two miles
because it is so muddy you can't ride your bike on it.
Oh wow.
Dude, I saw some pictures of it from the finish line, and I
guess one article I read was a breakaway in the men's field,
and they were teammates, and one of them had a mechanical and
gave his back wheel or something like that.
Yep.
The the the bike conditions and the conditions these riders were
in.
I don't I don't understand.
Like it was so caked on there.
Dude, it's crazy looking.
I'm gonna.
Can you see this photo?
Oh my gosh, yes, audience.
So for the record, it looks like a a cyclist just covered in
absolute mud.
We'll we'll send a picture out if we need to, but it's
literally like that was the whole Peloton for the for the
gravel race this year.
Everybody is just covered head to toe in straight mud.
Like I bet you that was some of the it's probably some of the
worst riding, but also pretty kind of fun, you know, when you
if you like really got into it of like this is just gonna be
hell, let's have a good time, type of thing, you know.
Um, and hopefully that's what people did.
It it looked like a it it looked like they were having fun.
I'll say that.
This article I'm reading says the course, the heavy rain
turned portions of the course into the infamous peanut butter
mud that Unbound is known for.
Riders dealt with clogged drivetrains, mechanical
failures, crashes, and long stretches where bikes became
nearly unrideable.
That's what I was gonna ask you too.
I guess does that it's almost probably not even fun if it's
that muddy where you're like not able to keep momentum through
it?
Was it like a big thing?
Dude, it's not it can be because the thing is, is like at some
point they're what they're talking about, that peanut
butter mud is sticking on their tires, and they're like
literally trying to pedal, and then it gets caught, and they're
literally having to like get a stick and basically jam it in
there to try and get mud out of in between their tires, and and
then on top of that, you can only imagine how bad that is for
a cassette trying to change gears and stuff like that.
I saw one pro, dude.
It was a it was a female pro.
She was riding through it was like I watched a few men pros
ride through this this like dr dip or whatever, and there was
some water in the bottom of the dip, and I watched like two or
three guys go through it, and then like 10-15 minutes later
they're showing her, and she tries to go through it, and dude
just eats it.
Right.
Oh no.
I was I felt so bad, but I was like, oh my gosh, that's so
funny and terrible all at the same time.
Dude, man.
Could you ever see yourself?
Would you be having fun in that, or would that be more of like a
struggle for you if you're in that race?
I don't know.
I think it's um it would I I think it would I okay, here's my
here's my sick mindset is I love when it rains.
Like I love running in the rain, I love biking in the rain.
If it's not like dangerous where it's like thundering and
lightning, I'm all about freaking being out in the rain,
like running or doing any of that.
So I don't know that I would have like hated that honestly.
I probably would have if you would if you would have asked me
as I was carrying a bike, walking two miles through the
mud and my freaking quads are already crashed from like 120
miles of riding, I probably'd be like, this freaking sucks.
But it didn't, I mean it I I've never been a I've never been a
sh I I've never shied away from a little from a little water.
I feel you, man.
I'm like that.
Without as long as it's not lightning, they'll have fun.
Lightning is is a different story, but if it's not doing
that, I'm solid.
Heck yeah.
Um I got another bike one.
I think our boy, I want to say he is.
Um Zach McCreamy is taking over Delta Epic Gravel Race, which is
a Delta self self-supported race in the Delta in the Delta of
Mississippi.
I hold don't hold me to this.
I need to see exactly how many miles it is, but it's a
significant amount of miles.
Let me see.
It's like 380.
Oh gosh.
Yeah, it's it's it's something.
Let me pull it up.
It's 300 miles, is what it is.
Um it says gravel race.
I want to say it's point-to-point gravel race,
dude.
Um so I I I may try to I may try to pull a little influence and
see if I can't get that to uh get me in on the spot on the on
the Delta Epic gravel race, you know.
I would love to see you support you at something like that.
You so when you say it's self-supported, explain.
Um you you can take like drop bags and do different stuff, or
you can have like I I wanna say you can have like somebody like
yourself or Michaela or something like that, like meet
me somewhere if I need something.
But it's very much like they're not gonna have like indication,
they're gonna tell you where to go, but they're not gonna like
every 20 miles not gonna have water for you.
Like you gotta find it yourself.
I think there's like hotels along the way that people will
stay at.
There's gas, different gas stations and stuff like that
people will stay at.
But it's it's a pretty um, it seems like a pretty little epic
event that happens every year.
So or it used to happen every year, and then last year I think
they got two years ago they got rid of it and didn't do it, and
I was so dis disappointed because I won't kind of wanted
to do it, but I to be honest with you, I I kind of freaking
hate gravel races, so but you know, we'll s we we're gonna get
there.
I um I imagine you gotta look at this one something like an
adventure too, and there isn't necessarily a competitive thing
into it unless you get like deep into it, and you're like, all
right, I'm gonna go ahead and push while I'm in it.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too.
It's more so of uh this is that's kind of what helps this
race out, is I think it's more of a there definitely don't get
me wrong, there's people that are gonna win this thing, but it
ain't for me, and like I can still go out there and enjoy the
journey of 300 miles.
So cool.
We should drum some interest up into it as the we get some more
details about it.
Yeah, I we'll we'll get Zach back on and and do some stuff,
but they've got some pretty cool little spots, like they take you
in front of some like um old famous areas, like there's a
blue front cafe that's like very popular and well known in the
Delta that they like you're is literally on the course.
There's like different spots like that that are on all on the
course.
Nice.
So I don't know.
We'll we'll see.
I'm excited.
I I think I'm probably gonna try to do that next year at some
point.
Um, what do you got for us?
I guess you know, I'm I'm just really happy, like as a consumer
of running shoes, that longtime listeners on a show might
remember remember this blur when Adidas came out with the Evo SL.
My joke at that time, and it's kind of fresh with Sebastian
Sabwe breaking the world record and two-hour uh barrier.
That shoe at that time, I guess it was on the Gen 1.
The I I don't remember the name of it, but it's Adios Adidas
Adios Evo Pro 1 or whatever,$500 shoe.
Well, people kind of made a fuss about it, and several months
later, Adidas came out with the Evo SL, and it was the$150, I'm
gonna call it non-plated super foam super trainer, and it's
$150, and it's like, wow, you can get a super foam and a$150
trainer.
This is awesome.
This is Adidas's uh peace offering to the market for
having a$500 shoe out there.
This is great.
The consumer wins.
Well, we're we're at a day and age to where there's finally
responses from multiple companies out here, and I'm just
super excited about that.
I know a lot of our audience will have tried or has liked the
Evo.
Um I've had six pairs, I think six or seven, we're tiring them
around 400 plus miles.
Great shoe.
Stockney, it's been out for a few months now.
They have an endorphin azura, and it's you know, you consider
these in the same category.
Evo SL, Endorphin Azura, same thing.
So no plates, but it has the shoe superfoam, it's about
probably seven to nine ounces, and it they're advertising at
high energy return daily trainer.
Awesome,$150 price point.
Latest entrant is Puma, DV8 Nitro Pure, and our main man
Witt.
I know he's a big time Puma guy, so I've been DMing him a little
bit.
Like, can't wait till you get these on the feet.
They look sick too, but again, Puma.
$150, super foam, non-plated daily trainer.
And I'm excited because I like running in good shoes that you
can get a lot of daily miles out of, good energy return, good
foams, last a long time.
But I think I'm also excited from a consumer standpoint that
there is a response, and companies just didn't get on
this runaway train of, you know, you deal with it, we're both in
business, right?
You know, I'm speaking all the time about year-over-year
inflation, right?
And all different things that attack that that are just kind
of out of our control.
So it's cool to see companies like you still got your high
value proposition pieces of footwear that you're putting out
there to the market, but you also have like a more reasonable
and inline$150 option.
So that's I don't know, it just kind of nerdy excited, and I'm
excited for some of our friends to get these on our feet and
give us some feedback about it.
Yeah, I think it's pretty cool.
Like, kind of like what you're saying, it's like we see, I
mean, iPhones and different stuff, like they're hitting the
markets and they're doing nothing but rising.
Like, we're not seeing these, like, hey, let's get an
alternative.
And it's kind of cool to see a few few shoe brands do an
alternative of like, hey, we understand you're not gonna
spend some of you not going to or don't need to spend$500 on a
pair of marathon shoes.
Like, yeah, you're gonna get just as much return and just as
good of speed off of this for $150.
So that's awesome.
Honestly, like your rebels, I don't know the price point on
the rebels, but you could probably make a case to put the
rebels in that that contender.
The rebels might be a little more expensive, but you're
you're kind of close in that general type.
I think they're 175 brand new.
Yeah, okay.
So I mean they're they're right there with it.
Um, I've never actually tried the which I I don't have.
I've got some carbon shoes, but I've never tried the new balance
carbons.
I do love the rebels, so it would seem to think that I would
like the new balance ones as well, but I don't know.
Um yeah, I think I think it's interesting.
I wonder if not I mean Nike's got a ton of shoes that they'll
put out that they already put out, so it's it's interesting to
see if I would think that they've got they've kind of got
very something very similar to them as well.
They've got the zoom, which it would it would check all those
boxes that I mentioned, but it's got the PIBA plate in it, and
they're still commanding like closer to 180 for that shoe.
So I would like to see Nike respond to this and have an
entrant into this category, you know, a non-plated, so kind of
like the step up and walk, you'll have like a traditional
entry-level run-in shoe with like compressed nitrogen or an
EVA foam, and then I would put this in the next step up like
cost-wise, start like superfoam, non-plated, and then the next
step up.
If you just use the sock and lineage, would be the speed,
which puts a TPU plate in that superfoam, so plastic plates,
all the companies have that.
That's where Nike has an entrant, it doesn't have one
down, and then you kind of take progressions from there.
So that'd be come on, Nike, where you at?
Yeah, tell me about it.
Um, I heard that you want to talk, yeah.
I'm gonna bring another bike thing in real quick.
We had uh Giro de Italia um come up this past week.
Jonas Finger guard just went out and basically dominated the
field.
There was a few times where a few different people they were
highlighting about basically how some some people were doing
well.
I think Paul Sessex did very well, who's a French rider who's
like big name coming up, which I I'm gonna tell people now, like
have your have your eyes set out on him whenever the Tour de
France comes around, because he's not gonna be a guy that's
gonna win the race, but he will be the he will be the young face
for cycling.
That's Paul.
That's the guy you mentioned to me several weeks back, is that
right?
Yep.
Paul Sussex.
Sussex is his name.
Okay.
He's um he's he's he's a young guy and he just doesn't like I
don't know that he quite knows.
I don't know if he doesn't have the team around him to help him,
because you know, like Jonas and Tade, they've got five or six
guys that honestly they're not gonna compete for they could
compete for stage wins, they're not gonna compete for like
straight up general general classification wins.
However, you got these other teams where they're like just
competing for a stage win, and Jonas has five guys that could
go out and compete for a stage win at any given day.
You know?
So I don't know that he has that type of team.
Um but I I mean he's he's keeping up with the with the top
guys, which is interesting because he's he's young, so he's
kind of like a um Rimco.
Wow is what yeah, is what I would I would equate him to.
Like he's he's he's turning people's heads.
Did you mention his age or did I just miss that?
No, I have not mentioned his age, so if you want to mention
it, go for it.
Wow.
So for our audience, it's his last name is Paul S-E-I-X-A-S.
The man is 19 years old, the youngest starter at the tour in
90 years is what he will be for the Tour de France this summer.
Crazy.
Cool.
Okay, I love I love nerding out about this of like people to
watch for before, and I think the tour is always so good about
the color and commentary and storytelling during the race
because those guys have have so much time to fill as we're just
watching the Peloton cycle.
But yeah, I think I think you kind of like doing some big J
journalism here, turning our audience to some of these folks
to watch for.
I was watching a thing the other day, and it was the I don't
remember who was talking about it, and I can't claim this, but
I I'm assuming he put his Strivadata up.
I don't know if it was accidental or on purpose, but
they were up in um the Pyrenees, like where the mountain stages
of of the tour is, you know, basically like where Jonas and
Tade really start like showing their dominance, and he was
claiming KOMs in like on training rides where they're
like exploring, and you're just like, all right.
Wow, I don't know if you're doing that because you want
people to see it, or if you're doing it because that was
accidental, which I would hope, because I would hope you're not
giving away strategy, but who knows?
So this is fascinating.
His career highlights it goes finished runner-up to Tide A at
two European races.
I don't recognize, I'm sure you would.
So I think just for our audience, they'll know Tide A,
they know he's far and away the goat right now.
So that's impressive on on in its standalone stat.
Yep.
He's gonna be he's gonna be a big name.
People are people are like begging him not to sign with
UAE, and I think he may uh I don't know if he's already
working on it or if people are talking about him leaving for
UAE, which would be unfortunate, but they're like, please don't
sign for a powerhouse.
You know it's coming, they're gonna throw a ton of money at
the dude.
Man, that makes you yeah.
It's a lot like baseball, I guess, where there's the Yankees
that can just throw all this money at talent, and you'll have
a team that has the whole lineup, won't make up like one
of the guys' salaries, is what it feels like.
Is that a good analogy or is that a bad one?
100% a great analogy.
Like one team will have like Tade's yearly yearly salary as
their budget, you know what I'm you know what I mean?
Like, and they're trying to compete with him, and it's just
like I don't know that you're really doing much competing
there.
So let me ask you one question.
I I'm still fascinated by this, and I know you know some stuff
like this.
Where will we see him?
And you you kind of touched on it a little bit.
So is he gonna be kind of like in a supporting role, potential
to win stages?
Like you said, he doesn't have a team around him as the top duty,
so he's gonna kind of just be out there seeing if he can get a
stage or something if it presents yourself.
I I think you'll see him kind of like um Matthew Vanderpoel did
last year, where it's like there's some exciting moments
with him, and you're like, all right, he's got something here,
and um, but I think you're gonna kind of see him in different
spots where it's like uh mountain stages where Vanderpole
all we really saw him was on flats, you know.
I mean we did see him in some great spots, but he dominated
more in the flats where or like I would say probably not I'd say
flats, he didn't really dominate in the flats, more so where
they're like, oh, this is a hilly course, it's not like uh
we're going to climb straight up a mountain type of course, you
know.
Um but I think you'll see him like you'll you'll see him
probably go for two or three different stages, I would
imagine.
Yeah, I guess as as you're talking and I'm reading more
about him, and I know you said this, but I'm sure we'll get our
fair share of storylines behind this man, especially with him
being French, like that just jumped out at me.
Like he's a Frenchman too, so it's like so you know the whole
the whole country's behind him.
I would I would have to so they have they have different
jerseys, you know.
Like they have the yellow jersey, which is like general
overall classification, the polka dot, which is like the
mountain stages you get points for, a green jersey, which is
your sprinters, and then they have a white jersey, which is
under a certain age, and I don't know what that age is yet.
I would imagine you will probably see him in that jersey
for most of the tour.
And this is a fun question.
That would be the is it almost like a general classification,
but you have to be under that age to be in the running for
that?
Okay, correct, yeah.
Got it.
Yeah, it's kind of like saying, like, hey, this is like a new
face that to watch out for type of thing.
I remember them saying it.
Say it's something like best young rider or something like
that.
And it's funny because I think Tade had won best young rider up
until like two years ago or something.
You know what I mean?
Like because he was still in that age where it was that's
what you were at.
I and it's just like how does he keep doing that?
This kid's gonna do the same thing, though.
I mean, if you think of if he goes to the if he goes to a
level of ascension as Tade does, or even half of it, you have to
imagine it, 19 years old.
If you go all the way to 25, I don't know what Ty I don't know
how old Tade is, but if you go all the way to that age, he's
got several years.
I mean, Tade wasn't starting a tour at this age.
So this is cool.
This is some good podcasting right here if you're a cycle
fan.
I love this stuff.
Yeah, we we we're going cycle heavy this week.
Um, yeah, so I I'm excited to watch the tour this year, dude.
It it's coming up quite it'll be here before you know it.
I was about to say, we're not that far out.
It's June already now.
Yeah, I know.
It'll be here before you know it.
I don't even know what day it actually starts.
July 4th.
We're about to be able to do that.
It starts on the 4th.
Let's go, yep.
Yeah, so I mean, it's gonna be stage one is a team time trial,
which is gonna be fun.
Yeah, it's gonna be a good time.
Cool.
No, man, uh this is gonna be fun following it with you this year.
Like, I feel like I'm taking steps every year.
So it's gonna be a lot of fun.
A lot of fun.
I hear you on that one.
Um, I think we have one more topic to discuss, two more, one
more.
You got another one?
I think you had Yeah.
Did you want to say anything about Rimco before we move fully
off of cycling?
Yeah, we can.
The dude is not, I mean, you know this more than I do because
I actually hadn't even kind of kept up with Remco for a for a
minute.
Um, do you want to you want to say it?
You want to break this news?
Because Yeah, I mean, I guess he's just been notably absent
the first half of the year, and I was doing a little reading up
on him, and it's there's a statistic that no tour winner
has ever taken off the first half, and I can't remember what
it was.
It's a it's a long time, many, many decades.
So it's it hasn't been a strategy or tech that's worked
for previous Tour de France champions.
And I guess you could think about it a bunch of different
ways.
You see, Tade was bent on a heater, crushing races, won a
bunch of them, but it looked like he melded in after the last
one.
Yonas just finished, like you said, Giro d'Italia winner, so
he's kind of running it right up, and then I guess he's gonna
try to recover as much as he can for the next month and still
stay sharp, I guess.
Um so it's interesting that Rimco being on a new team, I
guess he's just in a lab.
It'll be interesting to see, and I think that'll be one of the
storylines we see earlier.
I'm sure we'll hear this, and I'm not even a cycling fan, you
know, but it's like ring rust or going out there and having a
race to get warm.
We're gonna hear, did this time off hurt him or did it help him?
Uh, you know, I'm sure that's gonna have to be a storyline.
It's gotta be.
Dude, and it's funny because I'm thinking they may, I mean, Remco
is their leader of their team.
Don't get me wrong.
But if he starts having a poor performance, that Ja Henley,
who's a ver who's a very good writer and has won some stages
at the Tour de France, just finished, uh, did a that's what
I was about to say.
Decent campaign at Giro d'Italia.
I mean, you could see a statement where they're at some
point they just give up on Rimco and dude just signed a
significant contract, you know.
So what do you do?
What do you do?
So let me ask you a question.
I just heard you stage one starts with a team triumph time
trial.
Let me ask you a real dumb question.
What does that mean?
Is it not an individual solo time trial?
No, so it's like all five guys are literally just like on TT
bikes, and I this may be totally different, but this is the these
are the ones that I've seen where all five guys are on TT
bikes, lined up behind each other, and they're going for
like let's say 50 kilometers, and essentially they'll
somebody's breaking the wind, they're riding for a minute,
coming off, getting on the back of the line, and it's just like
a Peloton of like straight line, getting back, straight line,
getting back, and they just rotate through those five.
And I want to say, this is where I'm not 100% sure.
They may have to have three pass.
Some they don't and typically they don't have to have all five
pass.
So what'll happen is somebody is gonna just hammer like 10 miles
as hard as they can, and everybody's gonna fall behind
him kind of easy, and then he's gonna fall off, and he may be
like 45 minutes later getting to the line type of situation.
You know what I mean?
Like his legs are gonna be just shot.
Um that's typically how it goes.
And I don't know the thing it the thing that I'm not 100% sure
of with this with this race, because I haven't seen a team
time trial at the tour for a few years, is how many have to
finish to that be their time.
So, like, if two finish at 41 minutes and then the third one
finishes at 45 minutes, they're a 45-minute team.
Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
Yep.
Oh, this is sick.
While you've been talking, I've been on Wikipedia.
Wikipedia's got some great news.
I love the the tour because it feels like every year I get a
new wrinkle of something, and I'm asking you another silly
question.
What's that bike?
What's that helmet?
What's the time trial?
Wikipedia's explaining it to me just like you did.
And I don't know if this holds true for tour, but it it says
the winning team is a time trial team, determined by comparing
the times, like you said, usually, so who knows about the
Tour de France this year, usually the fourth finishing
rider in each team.
So that pack of four, I guess, gets that time, and that's how
they all keep that time.
Interesting.
So yeah, so they'll they'll do it differently for different
people.
I think I watched the Femme's or I don't know how they say it.
The the women do it last year, and I want to say it was only
three, but I also think that they have a little bit of a
smaller team as well.
So it's less guys or less girls.
So that could be what it could be the difference in what I was
seeing.
Oh, this is why I'm fascinated by because it looks like there's
a couple favorite strategies.
So we'll see different strategies by the teams: single
pace lines and double pace lines.
And then I got this animated graphic, as you can imagine,
like rotating tires on a car.
So I imagine they're and but I imagine too they also want to
keep like their main GC rider somewhat freshish, I guess.
So they're not doing all the pulling.
Yeah, so you're gonna see them take take slower pulls at this,
but at the same time, your GC rider, don't hold me to this
because I'm not 100% sure.
Your GC rider may not be your best time trialist.
You know what I mean?
So he may do a huge pull, but if the whole team gets a 45-minute
time slot, he may hammer it.
Now I'm now I'm curious to see what Red Bull does with what you
just said with Remco and Jai.
Like because as long as this isn't a mountain stage, Remco's
number one time trawler, in my opinion.
It's like he's shown that year over year, and it's not even
close.
So now I'm fascinated.
You just man, you just got me hyped up.
I didn't even know we were gonna spend time on this.
It's gonna be interesting.
It is gonna be fun.
I I I hope we get to see a I don't know if we have any this
year because I haven't really looked at the race details.
I'm really hoping for some cow cobble and and maybe like a
somewhat a dirt road.
You know what I mean?
Like I the I know the tour, the guys on the tour probably hate
it because that like there's so much that can go wrong on that,
kind of like what we saw whenever we were watching the
big race a few weeks ago where they're doing the the cobble
race.
They're I don't know, I they nickname it the race of the
north or whatever, you know, and and like we literally watched
Tade and Wow battle it out and probably Tade probably lost it
on a flat tire essentially.
Um you don't want to see that happen on the tour because it's
a 21-day thing, but you kind of want to see them get a little
get a little spicy on the bike.
Yep.
So we'll see.
Fun one.
I got a fun one for you.
You might not be following as closely, but it's been so
polarizing.
I've been seeing it play out for the last several weeks, and it's
to a point you'll know both of these people are of both of
these people, and the circles are kind of converging in these
groups, and it's this I'm gonna call it this little division
between Sage Canada and Cam Haynes.
So you know Cam Haynes, he was at Coca-Dona, the man's 58 years
old, his son is truett.
Both of those folks are really well known on the internet.
Um, can't Cam is more and more beloved in the ultra-running
community.
And I'll say something, I think Cam is largely responsible for
increasing the funnel and visibility in ultra sport and
why one of the reasons why it's growing at the rate it is, it's
not solely Cam, but there's others out there similar to Cam.
You could throw Andy Glaze in that bucket, Max Joel Leaf in
that bucket, right?
Where they're not necessarily competing for the wins, but the
impressions these guys get on their social medias are 100% the
soul driver.
And and then when you have a Rachel Entrican performance like
that, that's how she's on ESPN because Cam's helping the
freaking feed get 20,000 plus views a day, you know.
Um, so, anyways, there's Cam Hayne is involved in this, and
then you have Sage Canaday, who was an Olympic trials
marathoner, coach, ultra runner, been with Hoka for a really long
time.
He's more closer to like RH.
Past couple years, he had this embolism, almost took him out.
He's since come back and have run somewhat competitively, top
10 type ultra runner.
But, anyways, over the last few weeks, before Coca Dona, Cam
went out.
He lives in more of like the Oregon, Eugene area.
Cam's known for bow hunting.
One of the cool things about him, he got famous on Rogan.
He's a bow hunter that loves to run.
And he says running helps me with my bow hunting, and it's
weird.
Author, editor.
Um, so anyways, we're up to speed on who's who.
But Cam and um Cam goes out and runs the Eugene Marathon.
I think it was only like a week or two before Coca-Dona.
And he cracks like a 238, wins his Masters age group.
Masters being, I think this one like 45 and older.
No, 40 and older.
So at 58 wins the Masters division running a 238.
And just real nonchalantly on one of his podcasts says that he
was taking BPC 157 peptide a couple years ago to heal an
injury he had to his foot.
And he so nonchalantly and transparently threw it out
there, he wasn't avoiding it.
He wasn't saying he was trying to get an advantage.
He goes on to tell an explanation of like, dude,
running is mental health for me, running is therapy for me.
I have an option at my age where the doctor said, We can do
surgery on your foot, and you might not ever be the same.
So he's like, I'm trying to avoid that at all costs.
I consulted a doctor, my doctor I work with, and we took a
peptide, and that was kind of it.
It kind of left there.
Well, Sage kind of goes on this heater of like the Eugene
Marathon is a water compliant race, and this kind of takes
root in the let's run message boards where like the running
communities really like to traditional roadrunning
communities really behind what Sage is saying, and Sage makes
some valid points.
I think I've for a long time, last couple weeks, I didn't know
where I really came down on it because I saw both sides, right?
Cam was not being would you rather somebody being malicious
and lying about where they were at, or would you rather say if
you listen to what Cam has to say about it, he's like, dude,
I'm trying to avoid, I don't care about this stuff.
I don't care if I'm not gonna win this race, you know, like
whatever it is.
So so, anyways, it's come to a boiling point to where Sage has
reported him to Wada, and I don't know how the case is gonna
shake down, but you have this massive swell in the running
community now where people are making a fuss about it.
Um what are your thoughts?
Dude, that's a good question.
I I remember us kind of talking about this.
I want to say at um it did not come to a head like this, but we
were mentioning a little bit at Sedona a few weeks back because
we were talking about Cam Haynes' performance at Eugene
where he did 239.
I would kind of want to see like how far back it was that he was
taking the peptides and was he on it during the training block?
I my thing with that is is he is not a I mean 239 is a very
competitive runtime, so it's kind of hard for me to say he's
not a competitive guy because that is a competitive race.
Did he take accolades from it?
Like, did he win?
I think he probably won his division, I would assume.
Yep, won Masters, yeah.
And then took a trophy or whatever, who knows?
Maybe I doubt there was money involved, but took some kind of
stuff off of it.
But like, did he take it two years ago on a foot
rehabilitation journey, or did he take it six months ago on a
foot rehabilitation journey?
Because I think those are two totally different things.
I also think the doctor it's hard for me to say because like
I I'm not in like it I think it's hard for that guy to say as
well, because we're not in we don't know a hundred percent of
what's going on in that story, and I think that I think that
like I'm uneducated, so I can't give a valid answer.
But I do think that if the doctor prescribed him this,
saying, hey, it is this or it is surgery, and if it's surgery,
there's potential you will never run again.
I'm okay with him taking the other.
Yeah.
You know what I'm like personally.
It's such a good topic.
And you know, I I went and read the message board to get the
people that are supporting Sage because straight away my gut was
like, Man, Sage just kind of sounds salty, man.
He's always seems like he's comed after Truett and he sees
people getting some shine.
That was my gut reaction.
And I've followed Cam for a long time, and I know how genuine he
is and how beloved he is in the Ultra Community, what he's doing
for it.
One that resonated with me on the Let's Run Message Board is a
guy that was in a 50-year-old that's technically in Cam's
training class, and he goes out there and talk about how he's
doing it naturally and how hard it is to even crack three at
that age, and how and and that got upvoted like 300 times, like
in a positive, like, yeah, I resonate with that.
So I get that, and I think what Cam's saying is he doesn't want
to take that away from that guy.
I think there's a really good podcast.
First off, I'm curious if our audience is interested in this.
Give us a comment, leave us a comment back on this episode or
or shoot us a DM about it because I'm curious where
audience think I'd like to put a poll up about this and get our
feedback on it because it's polarizing.
Um, but I was listening to a couple other guys talk about it.
Zach Bitter had a really fascinating guest on talking
about it, and Zach had a real simple like, well, how do we
resolve this going forward?
He's like, You're already doing a sign-up where you're asking
putting what your sex is, what your shirt size is.
There could be a box that says, Am I gonna compete for a podium
spot?
And it could be nope, which would be like 95 of the pe
percent of the people signing up.
And if nope, it doesn't matter if you're taking peptides or TRT
or things to help you as you age because you enjoy doing this and
you're not trying to compete, and you say, Nope, not
competing, so it doesn't matter to you.
And then the 5% can say, Yes, I am, and then it says, Okay, see
the next box.
Or would you pet, you know, and you'll be subject to this pull
and then call it done.
It might be done there.
So that was an interesting feedback that they had.
Yeah, I don't think that's a bad one.
I it's so hard because I I mean I'm not at that age, so I've
never been there, and I don't know what those I don't know
what guys are going through at 58 years old.
Like I I know that I look at my father and I look at people
around his age, and I know that they're starting to slow down.
And some are slowing down a lot faster than others.
So like it's at my point of like the doctor, like let's say I
know TRT is a big one, for example.
Like, let's say some of these guys are like the doc in my
opinion, the doctor should have a thing of like, hey, this is
what your testosterone is, this is your age, this is what your
testosterone is supposed to be in between.
If you're at this level, that's not good.
We need to get you here.
I don't think we should necessarily like tell that guy,
hey, you can't compete at anything because he's taken
something to get him to a normal baseline.
Correct.
You know what I mean?
That's how I kind of come down on it naturally.
I don't care if it's exogenous and I'm gonna have to supplement
with it or not.
That's just how I gut come down with it.
If we're talking like, like he like Cam will say, we're not
talking about the Olympics, we're not talking about wearing
a USA kit, but like all is fair, we're talking about quality of
aging supplementations, just like you would take
multivitamins or you name it, turmeric, whatever, you know.
Yeah, I think that I I agree with you.
I think if you're if you're taking it like that, then I I
kind of understand it a little bit more.
Um I guess the which they should be able to check if they're
doing a drug test like that, like to say, like, hey, you're
taking this this per this drug that is not that is banned, it's
supposed to bring up these levels.
Well, these levels are adequate with a 58-year-old man.
You are not high, you are not low, you are average.
As long as you are average, then my opinion, you're okay.
Um, but I again I'm not 58 years old, so I don't I don't know the
difference.
It's interesting, man.
There's so many ways to cut it.
It's really interesting.
I think we'll see it play out.
It really is, and and honestly, I to be quite honest, I don't
know that I believe Cam Haynes is only doing that and only did
it for foot recovery.
You're running to 239.
So I kind of think it, I kind of think it's a a mute point of
like we're having an argument.
We're not actually having an argument, but people are having
an argument about the guy saying, Oh, he took it because
his foot was he was hurt his foot.
I I honestly I probably think he if he really broke it down, he'd
probably just be like, Yeah, I'm I'm taking a whole bunch of
stuff.
You know what I mean?
Like he may not want to, but he probably there's a few guys that
I listen.
I don't want to I don't want to go famous for calling people out
on the street.
That's where this conversation goes right now in circles.
It's interesting, it's why it's so fascinating to me.
Yeah, there's a there's a few guys that that are like upper
echelon, very famous people that you could make a case like,
dude, you you're at this age, you've never looked like this.
I understand you work hard, but there's a you know, it's quite
simple.
Here you go.
Where they where this conversation goes, now I can't
not dance around it.
But you talk about the hybrid athlete and people representing
sub supplements that they're selling, and maybe they're not
lying to you, but they might not be including all that they're
you know, and it kind of kind of maybe misleads the consumer or
the people that watch all of their content that oh I can do
this, this, and this supplement.
And I was just about to say, Zach, you're telling me that
people are misleading people online and on the on the
internet.
Oh my gosh, no.
What you're saying is Instagram is not 100% true.
I'm sorry, I mid-laught in the midst of your conversation
thinking about that.
That's that just made me want to cry laughing so hard.
Oh yeah, I totally agree with you.
The person I'm talking about, exactly what you're saying.
The person that's selling supplements has a hybrid athlete
just throwing all kinds of stuff up, and you're just like, bro,
it's okay.
Like, people probably aren't gonna accept you as much as they
did, but I mean, tell them.
I would rather you I'd I'd rather you just tell me like,
hey, this is what I'm taking.
And then I'd be like, if you choose to take it, you can, but
taking all this and doing all this, this is what you can get.
I'd be like, all right, cool.
I really appreciate the transparency model because
honestly, it's not gonna make me want to take something.
You're you you have to this is why um authority authorit
authoritarian and people that try to silence messages and free
speech is so powerful because it's like all right, here's a
free space of ideas.
I love when people represent their positions on polarizing
topics.
Like, I'm really into well, I'll just put what I'm into right now
for a side for a second, but like even sides I don't agree
with, but people that can speak the position well.
I'm like, this is fire.
Why is it fire?
Because the people, the person that's representing where I
think aligned my idea to going back and forth with this guy, it
helped me understand where my side might be weak and where
they're good.
You know, you learn, and that's what that's for.
That's what Twitter's about, too.
100%.
I I could not agree with you more.
Um, I've got a I've got a big one that I'm going in right now.
Is that the microplastic stuff?
Oh my gosh.
If you watch that documentary, yeah, it's insane, man.
Bro, you you messaged me that and I told Carrie, and I'm like,
I don't know if I want to watch it yet.
Ignorance is bliss, but she's like, I know what it's gonna go
to.
Do you want to say anything more?
Yeah, yeah.
Dude, it's it basically is talking.
I I can I'll mention it.
It's crazy because now every time I eat something, I'm like,
think of the microplastics in it.
But it's essentially it follows like a group of like five or six
people who are trying to get pregnant and they can't
conceive, they like they can't get pregnant, and they do this
study on them, and they're like apparently we all have
microplastics in our body, like in our blood and in our body.
And they're um they've even gone so far as to whenever babies are
born, they're like checking the placenta, and there's placent,
there's microplastics in babies, plus like in the placenta.
Wow.
And it's just like, so now the babies already got anyway.
These five people can't get pregnant.
They're there's no explanation for their like why they can't
get pregnant.
They go in and do this study for 90 days, three out of the five,
like they reduce their plastic rate and like what they're
eating out of plastic, what they're consuming, like doing
all these healthier plastic things, and they're for three
out of the five get pregnant within 90 days.
Whoa, that's crazy, man.
And it's like, but we think about all this stuff that is
affecting us, and somebody like there's more and more people
that are talking about it, and it's like all these cancers that
are associated with these plastics and stuff.
It's I'm telling you, watch it.
You're gonna be like, What?
Hold on, go clean everything out, you said.
Yep, you will.
I'm telling you.
I I I know I I don't know Carrie that well, but I know Carrie,
like I I feel like she's kind of like my wife, and you're gonna
be like, You're throwing that away that we've been using that
for 10 years, and she's gonna be like, Yeah, it's gone.
Yep, no doubt.
Uh yeah, she is her and Michaela are a lot alike.
So that that's gonna happen for y'all.
But anyway, it's um we're we're already at an hour.
You got anything else you want to talk about real quick?
And why don't you just tell the people what we're doing
Wednesday and if you want to say something about we're doing in
December or not?
Perfect.
We are Wednesday.
We are gonna be at um the big race sponsored by Fleet Feet in
Hattiesburg at Sopro.
Um, Zach and I will be there probably a little early.
I don't even know when the race starts.
But Zach and I will be there early setting up because we are
doing our first live podcast.
Woohoo! I have no clue if any of y'all will be able to hear this
live podcast because there's a DJ.
But I think we're setting up in a different room, so maybe we'll
have a little speaker so people can hear it if they want to.
Um, for everybody that's gonna be there, hope to see you.
Come talk to us, come chat it up with us.
We're gonna have a camera guy there doing a little commercial
for us, potentially for some future stuff.
So um don't don't let him shy you away from from chatting to
us because we probably want to get more of those social
interactions.
However, um you know, we'll we'll we'll be at the race.
And then what Zach is also mentioning in December.
We I mean it's kind of uh already out now, but we are um
we're helping, we're doing uh it's called Podcast Row.
Podcast Alley, Podcast Row.
I can't I don't know if she can ever came up with the specific
name, but it's podcast alley or podcast row and Huntsville,
Alabama.
We're we're going back to Rocket City Marathon.
Um Zach and I will both be running Rocket City Marathon.
Zach's going for a PR at 230.
Hey, this is all script.
We didn't say that.
You heard it here first, folks.
I have put Zach in a 230 class.
He's actually pacing the 230 group as well.
Oh gosh.
And Anthony's gonna improve his ball of Boston qualifying time
for Berlin in September.
Yeah, yeah.
Those are all things that are gonna happen.
No, we're we're probably not even gonna be able to run really
fast because we'll hopefully be working the whole time.
So I'm sure it's actually gonna be a nightmare when it comes to
race day for us.
Um that being said, we're gonna be out there and we are um we're
excited to see everybody.
So if y'all are signing up for that, I think we're probably end
up doing a few giveaways for some uh for some spots if y'all
wanna for some registration spots if y'all want to do
something like that.
Uh otherwise, we're gonna see you this Wednesday and we'll see
ya in December.
Yeah, I think we'll have a discount code for Rocket City
too.
Don't feel what I'm using that.
So absolutely, and then uh oh we got big butts as well.
So we big races.
Anyway, all right, fellas, ladies, we appreciate it.
Please make sure to like, subscribe, share, do all the
good things, and uh we'll see you next week.
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