DISCUSSION: England vs. Norway; Argentina vs. Switzerland

Declan Link, Paul Schmidt-Troschke & Jon Bonfiglio review the last of the quarter finals. 

1 SPEAKER_03: Good morning, everyone.

Welcome back to World Cup Football, etc., where uh I am

joined as ever by Paul Schmidt Troschke.

Hello, Paul.

SPEAKER_00: Hello, John, good morning.

SPEAKER_03: And also Declan Link.

Hello, Declan.

Uh yes, good morning, John, and uh hello Paul.

SPEAKER_02: Do you have a uh sore head this morning, Declan?

Not really.

I should do because it was a late night and a long day, and

uh the the uh the conditions in the Miami Stadium were incredibl

incredibly uh tough on our bodies, unless you drank a lot

of water because it was just so humid and so hot.

You just stand out there for five or ten minutes and you'd

feel like you'd just jumped into a swimming pool.

But uh, all in all, um no sore heads, body is fine, and looking

forward to chatting about both of last night's games.

SPEAKER_03: I guess um it it was I mean the match was so early

anyway that you had at least some recovery time later on in

the afternoon and evening.

SPEAKER_02: Uh not really, because it was it wasn't that

early, it was five o'clock five o'clock kickoff.

The the the the issue was, and and it actually worked out quite

well, was you just never know how long it's gonna take to get

to these different respective stadiums.

I mean, the easiest one has definitely been the Atlanta one

if you're staying downtown, because you can literally walk

to the stadium in 20, 25 minutes, whereas there was a lot

of issues with regards to um where we were gonna get a a bus

from, how to get an Uber, whether or not to go straight to

the stadium, and then walk as far as we could.

But actually, fair play to the whole Miami or organizing

committee or FIFA or whoever they had running it down here,

because it was it was extremely smooth.

We we got we we were staying in Fort Laurel.

Um we got an Uber to the Hard Rock Seminole casino where they

laid on free buses as long as you had a ticket uh on your

phone, and the free buses were plentiful and um took you

straight to the stadium, and then you basically went to this

particular lot straight afterwards, and there was tons

of buses waiting to pick you up, which again shows the whole

Boston and New York racket where you have to pay$98 for a train

in uh in New York, which hopefully we'll have to do next

Sunday, uh, and then whatever it was in Boston,$80 to get to and

from the stadium.

Miami had it right, it was free.

SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and um, I mean you know, it's not as though

you're asking too much, but it's uh when uh it's it's I guess

it's it's it's a good on these particular venues that do these

um that go the extra mile because you end up feeling good

about the experience, and then you're more likely, of course,

outside of um outside of big tournaments to to frequent or to

visit these these um these stadiums again.

But um let's get on to the games without further ado.

Let's start with uh your own personal experience yesterday.

Um Declan, maybe just take us to before we get into the sort of

the relatively objective analysis of the game, just take

us into the into the stadium.

What was it um what was it like?

What was the sort of the the the difference between the the the

groups?

Um I saw a lot of red shirts, but then you know red shirts

could also just as be just as well be England shirts as

Norwegian shirts, but what was what was it like in there?

SPEAKER_02: The atmosphere was very good.

I mean there's always a difference in atmosphere uh when

you go to an afternoon or some of the silly times that FIFA

have had these games 12 noon, three o'clock in the afternoon,

five o'clock.

You know, you get anywhere in the world a much better

atmosphere when it's a nighttime game and it's dark.

Um but fair play.

I mean, in the stadium, there was a the I would I I'm just

taking a hazarding a guess here.

There was probably um 50 to 60 percent English fans, like real

English fans and expat fans.

There was probably um 25% Norwegian fans, and there was

big clusters.

Obviously, you could see the big Norwegian section behind the

opposite the opposite goal to us.

There was a bit massive section to the left of us, and then

there was two or three big pockets of Norwegian fans.

But but then it's very hard to work out, then as you said,

John, because there's so much red and white in the stadium,

which is the main colours of both teams.

Um, but walking around outside beforehand, getting to our

seats, uh it was a it was a little bit of a slow burner to

start off with, but there's just this magical feeling when you

get into the stadium and there's 30 minutes to kick off, and you

suddenly feel uh everything ramping up from an atmosphere

perspective, and then what you want to do is be sitting in your

seat, although never anyone never ever sits in their seats

when you're an England fan, um waiting for the teams to come

out for national anthems.

And it's and it's and it's it's really exciting.

I mean, obviously, I've been fortunate to see a lot of games

this World Cup and in the past, but for for new people going to

their first World Cup game, or um you know, uh they've only

been to a couple of games, the the excitement is palpable, and

and once the referee blows the whistle, you know, there's just

this incredible energy and noise, and the Miami Stadium is

perfect for that.

The problem was someone needed to turn the air conditioning on

and turn the temperatures down about 30 degrees because it was

just too hot and too inhumane for for human beings to be

running around.

SPEAKER_03: I thought let's just come to you.

Um, if you can just give us your uh your perspective on the

England-Norway match um from a sort of an external perspective

before we come to to Declan on the specifics of it.

Um, what was your sense of the game?

SPEAKER_00: I mean, um, as I said, I expected Norway to be

quite the formidable opponent, and I think that they um that

they substantiated my reasoning there uh with with yesterday's

performance, mostly at least.

Um, first possession was all almost equal, 44% for Norway and

47% for England.

But in the end, England was um just created more more chances,

more opportunities, and I think that was the um the biggest

issue of the Norwegian side was that even in possession they

they couldn't really do some uh do a lot with it.

Um it reminded me sometimes a little bit uh of Germany, uh of

their playing style, just passing the ball the the ball

along, and um England defended quite well against it.

They they basically uh used what they um were up against um

against Ghana, uh just the low block, defending, uh being very

disciplined, and then using using counter-attacks.

And for Norway, I think they that um they were always most um

most dangerous in corner situations.

So I didn't understand why Norway did not try it just to

create more corner, um, more corners, uh, because uh I think

that that would have given them them the best chance to to score

another goal.

And uh and I mean the first goal of Norway absolutely, absolutely

fabulous.

And um, yeah, and then uh but Bellingham is just just better

uh in the end.

And um, and we didn't see too much from uh from Harry Kane.

Um, but I mean he he definitely can't rival can't rival

Bellingham's performance anywhere anywhere close.

Um then on in on an individual level I think that uh that

Declan Rice, he you could really see that he still had to um to

fight with uh uh with his illness, uh which was uh which

he reportedly had um over the last week before the match.

And um on the other side, the the most standing out um

disappointment of a performance, of course, was Erling Haaland.

I think he had 21 touches in the whole game.

Um pass accuracy was quite low.

Um, it was just not his day, um, not his day at all.

Uh on the other hand, Martin Odegaard was uh quite fabulous

as always, um, but it was just not enough.

And I give it to you, Declan.

Um, you definitely earned this.

Um, but maybe uh just to sprinkle that in, have you heard

about the spider camera line controversy already?

Declan?

SPEAKER_02: No, I I have not, Paul.

Please enlighten me.

SPEAKER_00: All right, so this is going around the internet um

since uh since the end of the game yesterday, namely that um

apparently Jordan Pickford um during his kickoff before uh

England's first goal uh was scored, uh apparently the ball

while he was um while it was flying was hitting one of these

uh one of these strings, these uh lines where the cameras,

these big spider cameras, which which move around all uh all

over the pitch, um, was hanging.

And um according to to FIFA rules, then um the the referee

should have interrupted the game and actually given the ball to

the team who touched it last.

Um so that that's the that's the controversy um which is uh yeah

which is uh flaming up uh in in the internet right now.

Um and uh but I mean that's obvious coping, right?

Um so Declan, what was uh what did you think uh on a more

particular level?

SPEAKER_02: I have max maximum maximum respect for Norway.

Uh I I didn't really want to come across in the build-up as

an arrogant English guy because I know from a football

perspective, you know, you don't go through your qualifying

campaign, win all eight games, knock Italy out, and then get

through to their first quarter final in the history of

Norwegian football without being a good professional team.

So I I knew it was going to be a hard struggle.

Uh, and it turned out to be.

I mean, you know, what watching the extended highlights this

morning after the game last night, because it when you're in

the stadium, it's very hard to sort of digest everything and to

to remember all the different moments.

But you know, like Oyvon said on the interview yesterday, Andreas

Shelder up, his goal was was a fantastic goal.

Wonder if it was a little bit lucky, but it was a fantastic

goal.

And then during the course of the game, particularly the

second half, Norway never stopped coming at England.

I mean, there were predictable periods in the game where they

were just tapping the ball back, tapping the ball sideways,

whilst both teams were sort of keeping their breath and trying

to conserve energy.

But there was plenty of um high-speed moments in the game,

which, you know, in going through it again, Norway hit the

crossbar.

So, and that was at a critical stage which could have put them

ahead.

There was two disallowed goals, one for Norway and one for um

England, and then there was uh a potential penalty for um uh when

Oscar Bobb got in front of Jed uh Jed Spence.

I don't I personally don't think it was a penalty, but again, the

the the Norwegians just never gave up at all.

And ultimately, the poor goalkeeper Nyland at the end of

it, you know, that was that was a save he should have made, you

know, nine times out of ten.

It was a fairly straightforward uh save.

And and fair play and kudos to Jude Bellingham because he's

playing immensely at the moment, and it was such one, it was a

good time for him to score the goal just before half time

because if Norway had gone up 1-0, that would have been a

different conversation in the dressing room with Thomas

Tuchel.

The fact that England went in 1-1 gave the um emphasis back to

the to the English team.

The fact that Tuchel did make a couple of subs at half time uh

was interesting.

So I don't know to your point about Declan Rice if he is if it

was tactical because he was on the yellow card, if he just

didn't have the energy because of the sickness, or he's still

got an on an ongoing issue.

But Tuchel is being paid to make the big decisions, and then

obviously the goal when the goalkeeper spilled it,

Bellingham was there to pounce on it, and it was a really good

finishers.

Um uh it was it was almost like a finishers, it wasn't like a

forwards goal.

So I think the Norwegians can hold their heads up very high.

Uh, as you said, Odegaard, considering he's had a very

disruptive season with Arsenal in the Premier League, the mere

fact he played the whole of the 90 minutes plus extra time, uh,

you know, I take my hat off to him.

Um same thing though, on the same side for you know John

Stones, who's hardly played any Premier League football for

Manchester City this year, was written off as an England

player.

You know, not only did he play uh, you know, fantastically,

solidly, but he managed to last the whole game as well and was

playing around on the field afterwards with the fans messing

around that his shoulder was out of place again, which was quite

funny.

Um, I think Thomas Tuchel in his post-match conference was was

actually quite not negative, but he was down on England, very

disappointed with the with the um performance.

But I I think that's a little bit disrespectful to Norway's

great performance.

Norway were uh they need to continue this because they were

a true, they're they're a true international power now, and

long may it continue.

But I also think Tuchel is the master of um saying the right

thing, pushing the right buttons, and he didn't want

England to go into the game on Wednesday feeling big-headed and

cocky.

He wanted to pull them down a notch or two, and his um his

tactical substitutions were excellent.

And going into the game with all the yellow cards, you know, he

managed to get everyone through without getting another yellow

card.

So, injuries aside, they're gonna be, you know, a fully fit

squad apart from Jordan, team mum, on Wednesday against

Argentina, who was um who was wearing uh full kit included uh

alongside his broken arm, I saw, which was which was nice.

SPEAKER_03: Um just uh to pick up a couple on a couple of

points there, um, just as regards uh Jude Bellingham, I

think there's um how he reads the game is is uh is is I think

pretty incredible.

His finishing, I think, his almost sort of strikers'

instincts.

A lot of the goals he scored have just been almost sort of

deflections or strikes from nearby.

There's almost a sort of a line linear-esque approaching that he

engages in, uh, but it but it's about him being in the right

place.

And and certainly that second goal, he was the one that read

quickest that it might have been spilt and then reacted to it.

And like and I agree, Declan.

I think that that goal um at the end of the first half, which was

fundamentally against the run of play, um, uh, was uh at a really

crucial moment for uh for England and sort of changed the

panorama, if you like, uh during the um during the halftime

break.

Um it seems to me that Declan Rice clearly, whether it's

illness or injury, I mean, I think he was off the pace with

the previous games, and then he apparently had this illness

midweek as well.

But he definitely, you know, when I think of Declan Rice, I

don't think of a player who labours to move around the

pitch, but that's definitely how he's coming across at the

moment.

And and I also wonder whether, of course, Erling Hoyland was

taken off um uh during extra time in the in the half-time

break between the extra time sections.

Um I wonder whether he was he was carrying a knock-all match

in a way because he didn't seem to be to be as uh sort of mobile

as um as he uh as he had been in in previous games.

Um definitely just a word on the you mentioned the Thomas Tuchel

um interview at the end.

I thought the Jude Bellingham's reaction, very quick sort of

body language, and he sort of said whatever, um was was was

that an actual point of conflict, or is that a sort of

immediate talking point uh to to sort of draw a uh a gap between

coach and player?

SPEAKER_02: I I mean I definitely think uh if if uh

Thomas Tuchel was stuck on a uh on a desert island and he was

gonna have um uh his three he could invite three people along

for dinner, Jude Bellingham wouldn't be on that list.

There's definitely there's something there in their

relationship, there's some type of friction there, and it seems

as though during in the build-up, obviously during the

World Cup qualifying, it was an ongoing issue that Bellingham

was either injured or wasn't making the squad or Tuchel was

trying to manage him, and he seems to have managed him

superbly up until now because obviously he is the first

midfielder to score um four goals at this stage in a World

Cup campaign for England from a historical perspective.

His his body language, you know, again, you know, he's still such

a young guy.

You know, you just in the emotion of the of the game

afterwards when you're in the um in the press zone afterwards, it

sometimes you can't hide or mask your real feelings.

And I think with the with the benefit of a day after that,

Bellingham also will come to terms with the fact that you

know maybe England did not play as well as they could do, but

again, that's mostly because Norway imposed themselves on

England and did an incredible job.

And I must say admit as well that with regards to the

tactical stuff that Tuchel is doing, when he brought Reese

James on, who hasn't played for two weeks, maybe a little bit

more, and he's been an ongoing side conversation.

When he came on and was playing in midfield, he was absolutely

sensational.

So it seems like Tuchel has this master plan all the time, and he

has those players that we've spoken about before who are

never going to be starters.

They bought into the fact they're impact players.

Um, and and and Reese James played sensationally considering

he hasn't done any proper work for two weeks and played.

And then our new hero, much as we um chided him and derided him

before the tournament, um Dan Byrne, he came on and he got the

biggest cheer of all at the end for his you know, shoring it up,

trying to make sure that uh Jordan Pickford was protected.

So he's becoming a new hero as well for us.

SPEAKER_03: I think um Dan Byrne, on the basis of his

Mexico performance at the Azteca, has definitely taken on

a sort of a folk hero component.

That image um of Raul Jimenez and the overhead kick and then

him blocking it with his head only half a yard away, I think

is is likely to be one that Dan Byrne dines out on for years to

uh to come.

Paul, just a word on on Norway, a word on Norway through the

tournament, what they've brought to to the World Cup final.

SPEAKER_00: I mean they um first it was a historic run, right?

First quarter final for Norway ever.

Um they they showed uh the the essence uh of an um of a

perceived underdog, which then shows that um over the last uh

four years they they managed to create something incredible with

with this team.

And and the nice thing is that we can all be excited for future

Norway uh or similar future Norway performances because the

team is still quite young, especially uh when it comes to

um to the key players.

At least they we will see them in in multiple World Cups going

forward.

Um and uh and I think that they definitely they definitely made

made the best of it, and um, and they showed the world uh that it

always is uh it's it's always worth trying to build a team.

I mean, Norway is is a is a country of uh of 5.6 million

people, I think, right?

Um, but they just uh I mean we uh uh we reported on on

Norwegian regional football as well, and uh and it's quite

amazing how how this small country um managed to um over

the last 20 years, especially.

Um, I mean, very much to the credit of Stalus Holbaken, he is

uh one of the key architects of this whole system, which now

created this team, and um a little bit out of uh I mean not

only a little bit, but definitely out of nowhere, and

they are here to stay.

And I think that's the final message of Norway um from this

World Cup is we are now a serious European contender.

Everybody has to uh has to be afraid of us, and uh for the

best of reasons, we um we are uh quite formidable both in at uh

in in offense and in the defense, and everybody has to uh

now everybody knows that uh you you have to be very careful when

playing against uh against Norway.

SPEAKER_03: Um Declan, the almost mythic semi-final coming

up between England and Argentina.

SPEAKER_02: Yes, can't wait.

I mean we we ended up uh again getting out of the Miami Stadium

was a lot uh a lot simpler than we anticipated.

So we were able to uh sit, we we got back to the Hard Rock

Seminole Casino place, a bit rammed in there with people.

We could see the first half, but it wasn't that easy because

there were so many people there and there was a lot of you know

big screen TVs, but you couldn't get that close to them.

So we ended up um get getting back to the Hollywood area,

trying to get into an Irish pub that we knew about, but it that

was rammed as well.

So we ended up going to like a Hooter's Equivalent, I forget

the name of it, which was which was which was good because it

was lively, but we could sit in front of the TVs and watch the

whole of the second half.

Um what was really quite interesting was the minute Conor

McGregor and this silly UFC fight came on, half of the half

of the um the people in that place turned their minds over

and they put it on more TVs than the uh Switzerland Argentina

game, which really surprised me in South Florida.

Uh luckily only lasted 69 seconds, so they switched a lot

the TVs back to the end of the Switzerland Argentina game.

Um, but yeah, no, it's mouth watering.

Wednesday is, and uh the the fact that uh the gate again, it

sounds like uh Switzerland, from what I could gather, you know,

were were were just like Norway, very robust, um, never and never

gave up.

Uh the red.

Card the dive was you know one of the worst dives I've ever

seen.

If the guy fully did fully deserved to be getting his

second yellow card, and it's and it's set up absolutely perfectly

now for this massive game at three o'clock in uh Eastern

Standard Time in Atlanta.

And fair play to Argentina to push on through.

Uh because it at one point it looked like as though it was

heading towards penalties, and then Alvar Alvarez and Martinez

scored the two goals in extra time, and it was on paper uh a

good result for Argentina.

So yeah, that's that's haven't really got my head around

Wednesday yet, but we've got plans to get up there and we've

got tickets, so looking forward to it massively.

SPEAKER_03: Paul, um Argentina once again made I mean

Switzerland good side, incredible World Cup tournament

and performance, but Argentina made heavy weather of it.

Um another match again.

SPEAKER_00: Yes, and uh this this match was uh was a very

very good sign for Argentina um because they were able to score

first and um to keep that score for for quite a long time um

really but uh against a very formidable uh Swiss uh Swiss

offense.

Um I mean Brel Embolo is still still an exceptional player, and

um I was very very sad to see him go off the pitch yesterday.

As you said, Declan, completely deserved.

I think that when it comes to to dives and um and and kind of

acting, I think that uh FIFA should actually uh even uh

tighten the rules more, uh yeah, tighten the rules more um in the

end, um, so we don't see uh don't have to look at so many

charades, which um uh in in in most cases are are just used to

um to get some time off the clock.

Um and the the sad thing was that especially um around the

70th minute, um after I mean uh it was five minutes after uh Dan

and Doye scored the the first goal for Switzerland, there was

a really uh really constant and strong dynamic um uh on the uh

in favor of of Switzerland to maybe even go on and score

another goal.

Um and they had multiple chances yesterday.

Um but a very uh a very big reason for uh for the

Argentinian troubles was of course uh Grigor Kobel, the

Swiss goalkeeper.

He just uh had an amazing, uh, an amazing performance, uh,

performance yesterday.

And and uh one thing which Switzerland uh almost perfected

yesterday um was again defending in a in a very in a very low

block.

Uh then in the end they were forced to because they only had

uh still 10 players remaining on on the pitch, but they really

gave Argentina a very hard time.

And uh, and I mean the the numbers tell you exactly that

story that um uh eight minutes uh uh before the the game would

have gone into penalty, uh to a penalty shootout, uh Julian

Alvarez scored an amazing goal.

And uh yeah, once again, um as you said, um as you said, John,

uh Argentina managed in the last couple of minutes to uh to turn

the thing um the whole thing upside down uh clearly in their

favour.

And uh in the end, it was a question of time, at least after

after the red card, if uh or when Switzerland will break and

and not if.

And uh for Argentina's uh from Argentina's perspective, if came

it came uh earlier than um then later.

SPEAKER_03: Yeah, among the phrases I'm not gonna miss from

this World Cup is definitely the low block, which seems to have

become in vogue.

Let's hope it very quickly comes out of vogue.

Uh again, Declan, any final thoughts um ahead of another uh

break today with no games and Monday, no games, two

consecutive days of no games.

SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I'm I'm I just you know a bit of fatherly

advice to BST.

Uh don't expect to uh update your CV or resume and get a call

from the FIFA predictions slash rankings committee anytime soon.

Uh because um there's there's there's other people out there

that uh obviously can predict and and rank teams better than

Paul Schmidt-Trotzka can.

Um and fair play to FIFA, they got it right.

The four top seeds are playing Tuesday and Wednesday, and

really both of those games are absolutely mouthwatering, not

only for the fans of the respective countries, uh, but

also for the um for the neutrals out there.

It's gonna be two days of incredible football, and may the

best two teams win.

Um, you know, I and I think both Dallas and Atlanta are worthy

locations to um host the semi-finals.

I just it's pretty scandalous that New York is a you know not

a good location for the final, that they're getting the

opportunity to um to host the final on Sunday the 19th.

So now apart from that, absolutely fantastic weekend.

Poor Gordon's definitely feeling the pace.

He was looking a bit weary last night.

Um, because there's there's there's one stat that I heard,

and I'm not going to have the numbers quite right, but England

have travelled something like 12,000 miles from their camp in

Kansas for the game so far, and France have have um uh uh

something like 1,400 miles because they've stayed in the

northeast.

Um, so I do think that uh the the Argentina team, uh

particularly with their age, you know, on and and the fact

they've been taken to some pretty grueling long games

recently, I think they're gonna be really feeling it on

Wednesday against England.

But I also think the game in Mexico and the game down here,

from a physical and a psychological perspective, is

gonna take it out of the England squad.

I think Spain are just very, very smooth, and there's a very

good chance that they could cause an upset.

Uh so I think you know both games could go either way

Tuesday, Wednesday, and and it's probably a good thing we're all

having uh 48 hours away from football so that we the the the

build-up can happen uh for Tuesday's game in Dallas and and

uh Wednesday's game in Atlanta, and may the best teams win.

SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's um with Argentina, of course they'll be

they'll be tired.

They've definitely had some grueling games, but equally, if

anything gets the Argentines up uh for a match, it's it's facing

the English, uh little doubt.

Just in defense of uh of Paul, uh I mean he he said he plumped

for Norway over England in the end, but um said that Norway

would uh would really be a tough um uh a tough match for for the

English, and um and you did the same with the with the Swiss

Deckland and the Argentines, and I think both of those, to be

fair, Paul might have come down uh slightly incorrectly on the

Norway prediction.

But to be fair, I think you both picked um the fact that uh those

two matches were definitely going to be sort of difficult,

difficult wins for uh for England and for Argentina, but

cracking semi-final lineup, of course, over the next few days,

lots to to talk about.

And um I I I think we'll do a preview of those of those

matches um probably tomorrow, if that's okay with both of you.

Have you adopted Paul, John?

SPEAKER_02: Because that was a real like fatherly like a

fatherly statement protecting your little son.

SPEAKER_03: Well, look, you you said a minute ago giving you

giving Paul fatherly advice, and there was nothing fatherly about

it.

So I thought so I thought I'd come in with some actual sort of

um some some paternality towards um towards Paul.

Just as a final point as well.

Of course, given the fact that England had travelled so far,

um, adds to my rationale of the fact that they should have they

should have trained at altitude in Arizona anyway, and then they

wouldn't have they would have basically travelled exactly the

same distance and be all the fitter and all the more prepared

for it.

I can uh feel Gordon Massino wincing as I say it.

SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be it's it will be very uh um

interesting post-analysis of the World Cup from an English

perspective to find out whether or not it was a good thing to

position themselves in um in Kansas.

Uh I think they always felt that they were gonna have to go to

Mexico, um, whereas the French seemed to have got it right

because they had an an underlying confidence in in the

fact that they would they are the best team, they are the best

squad, and the way that they would win their game, so there

was a level of predictability that they would be staying in

the northeast.

So um it'll be interesting to see when they do post-mortems

whether or not England should have positioned themselves in a

different part of the country.

Um so let's let's see what happens.

I don't think I don't think Kansas to Atlanta foreboat

because Argentina there as well, um, are gonna be uh they're easy

relative trips.

It's just the fallout and the and the effect that uh mentally,

psychologically, and physically, both teams uh if they can raise

their levels to perform like they should do, and it's what's

gonna be a uh incredible, um, tense atmosphere because there

isn't too much love lost between the Argentine fans and the

English fans.

SPEAKER_03: No, no, absolutely not.

Um, on which note, um, thanks uh thanks, Paul, thanks Daklin, and

uh look forward to talking again soon.

SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.

Bye bye, guys.

Fun as always.

SPEAKER_02: Thanks, thanks, John, thanks, Paul.

Take care, have a good day.