Karen Kwiatkowski : Netanyahu Defies Israel's Highest Court—What Happens Next?

Netanyahu is coming to Washington, and the timing is almost too perfect: Israel is staring down a brutal fall election, the Gaza war keeps poisoning U.S. politics, and reports say Netanyahu’s government is prepared to defy Israel’s own Supreme Court. That is not just a legal fight. To us, it reads like a stress test for institutions, media control, and what happens when leaders decide the rules only apply when they win.

Karen Kwiatkowski joins us to break down why Netanyahu suddenly looks politically exposed and why the “Trump relationship” is no longer a guaranteed asset. We talk about JD Vance playing bad cop, Netanyahu’s counterclaim that Israel has “many friends” including India, and the bigger reality behind the talking points about cyber, AI, and military prowess. We also unpack Netanyahu’s “not a permanent war” argument, the Abraham Accords narrative, and why American voters increasingly see these as optics games rather than peace.

Then we zoom out to the U.S. side: AIPAC-style pressure, Pentagon access, dual citizenship and security clearances, and the question we keep circling back to: what does American sovereignty actually require. That leads to a blunt conversation about the military-industrial complex, defense budgeting, auditing, and what “defense” should mean if it’s truly about protecting Americans.

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Chapter Markers

• 0:00 July 6 Headlines And Stakes
• 1:30 Fireworks Banter Then Straight To Bibi
• 3:45 Netanyahu’s U.S. Trip And Trump
• 7:03 Defying Israel’s Supreme Court
• 11:00 Israeli Elections And A New Challenger
• 18:12 The Permanent War Narrative
• 23:09 Abraham Accords Claims And Huckabee
• 30:26 Gaza, U.S. Optics, And Political Risk
• 39:39 Vance Warning And The India Pivot
• 42:20 Cyber Bragging And Pentagon Access
• 45:50 Sovereignty And Israel’s State Economy
• 52:42 Defense Production And Budget Reset
• 58:57 Closing Thoughts And What’s Next

[SPEAKER_02]: Epidulized six, everybody.

[SPEAKER_02]: BB Netanyahu over the weekend's lashing out at JD Vance and reminds us that India is a big-time ally of Israel and that's going to work out for them.

[SPEAKER_02]: So good luck with that, BB.

[SPEAKER_02]: Also to move, who's precedent will loom large and Israeli elections as fall and fall into the specter of the continued war of the Middle East against Lebanon and Iran Netanyahu has declared that his government will not follow the instructions of their own Supreme Court.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to be interesting to watch, but also breaking news, Flareon, Belogan, the US striker, has been cleared of a red card and probably the greatest act of diplomacy that the Trump administration has had to date or only.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, anyways, we got Karen Kutowski here to talk about it next.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right, it's Monday, July 6th, and if you couldn't sell from my intro, I am probably a little rough around the edges after a superb July 4th weekend.

[SPEAKER_02]: Karen, welcome back to the show.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's great to have you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have a good weekend?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes, I did.

[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't do much, but it was a great weekend.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, fantastic.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I introduced my four year old to explosives and mortars, which was,

[SPEAKER_02]: enabled by the FreeSate of Florida is very loose fireworks laws, but I have a good buddy in town.

[SPEAKER_02]: Also, it's some, it's stuff on the water, it was a really, really great time.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, fantastic.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: But all right, well, let's get into this.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I am not going to grill you about US soccer.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll save that for myself, the dinner table, commerce, which later.

[SPEAKER_02]: But we are doing a bit of a BB net in Yahoo Day and that both excites me and really grinds my gears because I am just sick of talking about this too.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I keep saying that, but he's still here.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he is due in the US that's this week.

[SPEAKER_02]: Is that correct?

[SPEAKER_04]: I believe so.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's coming.

[SPEAKER_04]: He says he's coming.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why Trump doesn't just cancel it.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, Trump has got reasons, and we've seen little signs of it, and yes, Vance says some things that maybe he speaks for Trump too.

[SPEAKER_04]: But Trump feels he's done everything possibly.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's done more for Israel.

[SPEAKER_04]: Trump will tell you this.

[SPEAKER_04]: He has told all of us this.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's done more for Israel than any other president.

[SPEAKER_04]: He is the most popular president.

[SPEAKER_04]: ever for Israel.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, loves Israel, and he's the first Jewish president he's stated that as well, not really Jewish, but it's the next best thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: He loves Israel, puts Israel first.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, man, Adelson for helping, you know, and the guy that runs the video, the porn site, what is it not porn site that only fans, the guy who has the way recently from cancer, but the only fans guy was another big donor and Trump just, you know, he's earned

[SPEAKER_04]: he's he's done good things so why why can't you show some gratitude is real Benjamin and this is what i think trump feels and you know i i mean i don't know personally trump i don't know him but from looking at how he behaves he likes to be flattered he likes to get credit even when credit isn't due he will take the credit

[SPEAKER_04]: And he loves it like that, and if you do not show your gratitude to him, if you don't show that you don't recognize He's number one, he's the best, and he takes good care of all his friends, then you're going to be on the bad list, okay?

[SPEAKER_04]: You're going to be gone.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're going to get fired, shoved under the bus, insulted publicly, all these things.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, this is, I would think, would be Trump's mood.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, right about now, and also it looks like I'm not sure, but it looks like maybe BB was begging a little bit.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, you know, Trump says everybody begs, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Iran is begging for, you know, everybody's begging me for this, you know, I'm in control.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it actually looks like BB wants this badly.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, one of BBs, like political selling points is how close he is to all American presidents, but particularly Trump, he controls Trump, he pulls Trump's now, he doesn't tell Trump that.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's that's for the Hebrew audience, but you know, he's he's tight with Trump.

[SPEAKER_04]: He needs it politically to show that you know no other none of my, you know,

[SPEAKER_04]: Idiot, cod or something.

[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, there's another challenge here for the Prime Minister ship and he's doing he's actually got the numbers right now It's but it's a it's a party that's just kind of emerged that coalition looks like it could win in a three-way race right now And that guy is a military guy.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's actually unlike well Bennett.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think had some military experience, but this guy.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think he's like army So anyway, this guy has no relationship with Trump

[SPEAKER_04]: And Neftali Bennett is trying to work on his relationship with Trump, but everybody kind of, I think they, is really, they know Neftali Bennett from before, he's kind of, I think vote, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So this Isinko guy, one way to distinguish yourself from Isinko, if you're Netanyahu, say, well, Isinko does even.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, his English is bad and he doesn't even know Trump.

[SPEAKER_04]: Trump doesn't know him.

[SPEAKER_04]: Look at me.

[SPEAKER_04]: I get any time I call.

[SPEAKER_04]: So this, I mean, it looks like Baby was begging for this meeting.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Trump, if he was true to Trump, which is to put Trump first and to put down people that don't, don't, don't tow the flattery line with you and do what you say, then Trump should shut it down.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he should wait till he's airborne and reverse the plane.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I would do.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that would be awesome.

[SPEAKER_02]: That would be that a heck of a power move and like I mean, I can have this every time BB comes to town because He seems to visit and that we seem to bomb Iran or do something absolutely silly.

[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody says that and also not just the things that the executive

[SPEAKER_04]: they die, because of the wishless, and he gets it.

[SPEAKER_04]: He goes to the Congress, and he reaffirms the blackmail, he reaffirms the financial backing of all the key senators and representatives, you know, he tells him, hey, you know,

[SPEAKER_04]: If you're the Christian Zionist crowd, like the Speaker of the House, you get with him and you tell him his stuff, then you get to the money people, you tell him this, and all the pedophiles, you tell them their stuff, yeah, we got you on film, you need to do this.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so he makes around, he goes around in Congress, so that's a legislative, the only thing he doesn't do that I know of is go to the Supreme Court, but maybe, you know, maybe that's coming.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's actually a really interesting segue into something here where if you saw the weekend, and once again, I have to apologize the audience for doing this, putting my second least favorite operator for the Israeli government up on the screen in Iraq revealed, but he had a tweet over the weekend where, you know, I basically said that Netanyahu government is defying their own Supreme Court, and this is over, I believe, TV and radio, media regulation,

[SPEAKER_02]: And it could be about censorship.

[SPEAKER_02]: It also more importantly, it looks like it's kind of low-hanging fruit, like something where they can set a precedent to really defy the law and then build on that coming up to elections in the fall.

[SPEAKER_02]: But we have a, we had that quote here, but what do you, what do you make of this, Karen?

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think that, what do you think is about, is this about censorship or is this more

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, I think it's going to be about both.

[SPEAKER_04]: I had to read, I saw it, I think yesterday, and didn't understand it at first.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I read two different articles, both in Hebrew meat.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, both were, you know, it's really news reporting on it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm trying to understand what it is that he's doing.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it looks like, um,

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, they have state media already, but these really like news.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're very, you know, they're very good Democrats, small D Democrats, you know, they get involved.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love how I remember it was not been severe, but the other guy that's so hateful.

[SPEAKER_04]: He went somewhere.

[SPEAKER_04]: and there's really voters and old ladies and whatnot, they're just like, right in his face, like, get the hell out of here.

[SPEAKER_04]: We do not like you, you are useless, you know, really saying things that we all like to say to politicians and they're not shy about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I love that, I love that about these rarely.

[SPEAKER_04]: So that is one thing I think Americans could do better at, is yelling at our politicians, like they do.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it looks like,

[SPEAKER_04]: In their media, which is state media, you know, there is some, I guess, free media, so to speak, obviously, they are well connected to American media, which isn't really free.

[SPEAKER_04]: But there's a lot of stuff they can get their information from.

[SPEAKER_04]: So why are they so worried about this?

[SPEAKER_04]: And it seems like it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: based on these elections.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's based on competing and getting their messages out.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because this is the hardest toughest, probably the last election that Netanyahu will have.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not saying he couldn't win because he is a supreme politician and he's a snake.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he could win, but he's got this.

[SPEAKER_04]: Eisen's Eisencott guy and he's got enough tolly Bennett who is well-known and If you look at those three, they've really divided up the kinesis at parties They've divided up the issues so that people can make a choice Neither kinesi neither neftali Bennett or

[SPEAKER_04]: Netanyahu can really go for the very small number of Arab parties that are in Israel that have a legal right.

[SPEAKER_04]: And those guys can't, you know, they can get in a platform or anything like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're just there because they have to be there and figure out a way to hang them, you know, as well as

[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody else they don't like but they they're in the exist and the coalition division lines are so tight That somebody's gonna have to get their endorsement somebody's gonna have to get them and only guy that can get them would be Eisencott because Eisencott even though he's obviously representative of is really attitudes He as an army guy.

[SPEAKER_04]: He sees the truth about There aren't condition of their army, which is disgustingly poor.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I mean you remember

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if you, you've had, uh, uh, who is at the guy running for Congress in North Carolina.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was, he worked in Gaza.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, kind of my brain is fried today.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're good.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's Monday after July with, there is not much, my, I, I am smooth brain this morning.

[SPEAKER_02]: I gotta, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, but anyway, he talked about how, when he, he went with the Gaza Humanitarian thing group for just a short amount of time, his name would come to me in a second, but he spoke about his very first public statements on it, we're very,

[SPEAKER_04]: Not emotional really they were really constrained and what he said was he said we could fix this But the Israeli army is very poorly trained very poorly trained and you know They're all recruits without recruits.

[SPEAKER_04]: I shouldn't say they're all drafts.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's positive and they're a lot of We're young, you know, you don't see they serve their time and if they're sick of it Or they don't like it.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not rewarding for them.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're not psychopaths.

[SPEAKER_04]: They get out

[SPEAKER_04]: So then you're left with your middle range NCOs and officers are probably those who like it, which means they're psychopaths and nobody likes to work for psychopaths.

[SPEAKER_04]: So they don't maintain, they don't have their core, like you know what we do in our military.

[SPEAKER_04]: We try to retain a really good middle-ranked guy in officer and soldier ranks, you know, to have

[SPEAKER_04]: to help make sure that with continuity of knowledge, all these good things.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, so he criticized the army that was two years ago.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's really widely known that the army is not in any kind of shape and they can't fight.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're not even, I shouldn't say they can't fight.

[SPEAKER_04]: They can destroy, they can bomb, they can operate drones, you know, they can use the software

[SPEAKER_04]: they really are not good soldiers, their judgments off, they're stressed out by the war, there's high suicide rates, there's all these things, and you know, you're in a small country like Israel, where everybody has to serve the military, so everybody knows somebody in the military, everybody's a kid in the military, except for the really conservative ones, but even then you know people who have suffered, and then you then you're concerned, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: If you think,

[SPEAKER_04]: the army is going to take care of your kid used to be in the old days people sent their kid to the military because they said military take care of my kid he'll he'll make my kid better than he went in he'll he'll improve and um they don't say that now and they don't say that in Israel so um they're concerned this guy uh i think hot rep he knows he's from my idea he's from the army ground forces i think and he kind of is telling people what the

[SPEAKER_04]: that are doing these terrible things, he's telling them what they kind of already know and suspect.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he has credibility, and that's a big thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: BB Netanyahu is known in Israel as he is in the United States to be a total lying, POS.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we know who he is, he's a, he's a,

[SPEAKER_04]: just an awful person who knows that he loves power, he knows how to manipulate and maintain power.

[SPEAKER_04]: So they know that about him.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Ft. Bennett is served before, so they also know where he comes from, and he's not not everybody likes him.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is, so because the pressures of this election, I think this denial of their own law, which my God, denial of law in Israel, it's not over, that's crazy, how can this be?

[SPEAKER_04]: But no, I mean, I think it's about the election.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't have anything else because I think that's what's most important to Nanyongo and it is I mean Israel does need just like we do where we thought we were getting it with Trump, but you know our country needs major improvements You know we need we need put America first not maybe not like Trump's doing it, but

[SPEAKER_04]: you know, people are aware that there are problems.

[SPEAKER_04]: When you have kids that can't get a house and you're saying, what are you having kids?

[SPEAKER_04]: They go, Mom, I got no place to live.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I'm not grandkids.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're not going to get any, okay?

[SPEAKER_04]: Because we don't have any place to live and I can't be sure my job is going to last.

[SPEAKER_04]: And everything I make, I have to spend on necessities, even though they're American defined necessities, you know, we're not, we don't live like,

[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of people around the world, but still, this country needs healing bad.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's why Trump was elected twice.

[SPEAKER_04]: I agree with you on that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I agree with you on that.

[SPEAKER_04]: He promised it.

[SPEAKER_04]: He explained it.

[SPEAKER_04]: He spoke to us just like I think Eisenhart speaking to his really, he's saying stuff that we know already.

[SPEAKER_04]: The same things that we instinctively already know, and that's what was this kind of response to Trump.

[SPEAKER_04]: Although now I'm totally off, you know, I'm off the Trump bandrag and I will not even go there.

[SPEAKER_04]: he said he said he was looking at the crowds the nine million mourners in the funeral this this final goodbye for I tell a common day and he's looking at that because yeah looks kind of like my crowds when I was running and I thought to myself I am glad I don't hear you sidearm and I'm not in the light night right now because that infuriated me to know

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, just like a four-year-old.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's not like the four-year-old.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I loved online four-year-olds.

[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was great how cute they were and how irreverent they were sometimes.

[SPEAKER_04]: But in your president, that no, you know, we wouldn't get a four-year-old and we'd get a cute one, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I got one.

[SPEAKER_02]: I got one.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's a big president.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, exactly, but yeah, so there's a huge disconnect in where our country should be, where we can be, and where we are.

[SPEAKER_04]: So we've got those problems, but Israel also has problems like that, and they're different, because Israel's a racist, you know, Zionist ideological thing, they hate their neighbors, they fear their neighbors with a kind of fear that I don't think most Americans can understand, you know,

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's actually promoted.

[SPEAKER_04]: They promote racism, and it's kind of ethnic religious superiority.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's not something we are familiar with in the United States, just don't.

[SPEAKER_04]: We have spent so many generations fighting that, being that down, getting rid of it.

[SPEAKER_04]: We don't associate with that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, except for a government which has provided every single vomit hit Gaza, whatever, except for that.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, we need healing in this country.

[SPEAKER_04]: And, uh, guys.

[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you on that, and so just to digging this little deeper, we got the quote up there a second ago, it pulled it right back down as a little video here on the back end of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: year go on said that the government was criminal echoing your sentiments and had lost its breaks ahead of the election.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a very interesting quote said this is a government that wants to practice and normalize disobedience to the court so that tomorrow it can refuse to accept the results of the elections in decline to transfer power after being defeated and this backs into you were talking about uh... i's encode here for a second i find it be very interesting because

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of what you said about the state of the Israeli military.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's conscript army, and they are very much overextended, and they've been off way more than they can chew.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's that's just been the reports coming out time and time again, and in effect, they've...

[SPEAKER_02]: kicked seven different hornets nests in their own neighborhood and without us they got problems.

[SPEAKER_02]: But Netanyahu was asked this weekend about a permanent state of war, which is always kind of been the tagline for him maintaining power, if you will, or the methodology by which he would do it, taglines to casual.

[SPEAKER_02]: So you get that clip, Chris.

[SPEAKER_03]: What do you say to critics who argue that Israel has embraced sort of a permanent state of war, and that there's not really an endgame here?

[SPEAKER_03]: Because they point to places like Gaza and say that Hamas is still in power.

[SPEAKER_03]: They haven't laid down their arms.

[SPEAKER_03]: What do you say to those critics who accuse Israel of being in a permanent state of war?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're not in permanent state of war.

[SPEAKER_00]: I myself, with President Trump, we brought to forth four peace deals.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we did, Sabran McCords, and I believe with the weakening of Iran, which has been achieved by our common action, our common military action, I think we're going to get more, because countries would like to align with us and to protect their future.

[SPEAKER_00]: And also, their prosperity is really the powerhouse, I mean, it's an engine of innovation,

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, just of everything so I don't see that but I'll tell you one thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that

[SPEAKER_00]: The Lebanon deals shown that we have more cards in play.

[SPEAKER_00]: Lebanon would like to free itself of Kisbala, these Kisbala terrorists who are making their life miserable and it's not only the Christians in Lebanon who ask for our protection, it's the Jews, it's Muslims, or the Sunni Muslims, and quite a few of the Shi'at Muslims too.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they'd like to free Lebanon.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hope we can get more peace deals and I can tell you, if you want to have peace, you better be able to protect yourself against those who want to annihilate you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so one second, but I got to say off that clip, one thing I truly appreciate about it is it has been, it's few and far between when I watched that guy score him on stage like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was looking everywhere, he's showing himself, but please break this down for us, Karen.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, I hadn't seen that before, um, it's, uh, I like how the fact that the Fox News person kept saying, okay, okay, trying to get him to shut up, and that's good.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's good.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's what we need to do.

[SPEAKER_04]: But, um, no, he, clearly not on top of his game, and also he's, he's, he's trying to, you know, hook his wagon to Trump, which of course he always has.

[SPEAKER_04]: But this idea of these peace things, he's a little behind the times, um,

[SPEAKER_04]: in America because everybody kind of knows that Trump did not do any P. His eight six, seven words, you know, peace and all that.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's Trump's off of that theme now because it's so obviously not true and it allows people to ridicule him and point fingers and actually ask the real questions about what he's really doing and why he's relying about it and that kind of thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: So Trump is Trump, either him or his advisors, they're on to new

[SPEAKER_04]: narratives not this I solved all these peace things so I that's at least three four months behind the power curve and that's what Netanyahu is clinging to and then he goes me and Trump did these peace deals and I don't know anybody who thinks the Abraham Accords are anything other than business deals they are not peace deals and they're also business deals where one party is coerced financially to get on board

[SPEAKER_04]: which is even worse than a piece of deal, well, in Trump's mind, he maybe that's how he calls, so he defines it that way.

[SPEAKER_04]: But normally a piece of deal is an actual, it entails actual agreement, actual compromise, and whatnot.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he's off his game, he's clinging to Trump on an old Trump bumper sticker, which is Trump's not even using that bumper sticker got ripped off, I think.

[SPEAKER_04]: I haven't seen Trump talk about all his pieces.

[SPEAKER_04]: Mostly he's talking about other lies,

[SPEAKER_04]: So Netanyahu apparently he's out of ammo, it looks like.

[SPEAKER_04]: The other thing about it is he talks about Christians in Lebanon.

[SPEAKER_04]: You mean the ones he's burning up and blowing up and the churches he's flattening, Michael, so I don't know, there's all kinds of stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: So maybe what he heard from Lebanon was, please Israel.

[SPEAKER_04]: Stop shooting us, stop bombing our homes and driving us off of our ancestral lands and destroying our churches Maybe that's what he heard the Christians telling him because You know that it doesn't make sense what he's saying so he's clearly, but but I will say in BB's credit Unfortunately his presentation wasn't good.

[SPEAKER_04]: He looks under a lot of stress and yeah, yeah, yeah, I got to love that But um

[SPEAKER_04]: he's trying to speak to a shrinking American audience.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's why he's also nervous because he's extremely unpopular amongst anybody in America on 65 pretty much.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, if you're getting so scaredy for a few years, you probably like BBC.

[SPEAKER_04]: Rest of them, no, we don't believe you.

[SPEAKER_04]: We don't like you.

[SPEAKER_04]: We have access to any information we want to get.

[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't matter if it's

[SPEAKER_04]: If Tiktok is censored or not censored, we have access to the information that would rather us not see.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then the other thing that this is unrelated to that, but it is related to the American relationship.

[SPEAKER_04]: Have you looked at Huckabee recently and the stuff he's got was rocker.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's not even an ambassador, and you know, you could say, well, we love Israel, number one.

[SPEAKER_04]: Buddy of ours.

[SPEAKER_04]: So we send our best guy to be the ambassador and he's gonna, you know, do it.

[SPEAKER_04]: But Huckabee is a clown.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he is a total officer locker clown.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he doesn't make Trump look good.

[SPEAKER_04]: So when Trump puts people like that out there.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he can make fun of them.

[SPEAKER_04]: Even though I haven't heard him made fun of Huckabee yet.

[SPEAKER_04]: he will.

[SPEAKER_04]: He will soon.

[SPEAKER_04]: Then that guy's a sacrifice to the land.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I would not, you know, what you want for an ambassador, you want the guy we have in Lebanon.

[SPEAKER_04]: That guy's a freaking snake, too.

[SPEAKER_04]: Our investor in Lebanon is a business name.

[SPEAKER_04]: He is very well connected.

[SPEAKER_04]: he's a religious, you know, he's a religious, you know, he's religion is politics and money.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he, he's very well connected, he's got friends everywhere, businesses everywhere.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, that's the guy you put in a country where you're ambassador matters.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, we've got an ambassador that doesn't really matter.

[SPEAKER_04]: in Israel, even the Israelis think he's an idiot, especially them, because they actually have a contempt for his religion on top of everything else.

[SPEAKER_04]: So they just see him as a total loser.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's not a sign of respect.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, what a crappy, idiotic clown as your ambassador to your best country.

[SPEAKER_04]: You don't do that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now Trump may say, well, I don't need an ambassador to Israel.

[SPEAKER_04]: He probably feels that way because, you know, I'm the ambassador.

[SPEAKER_04]: I play all

[SPEAKER_04]: He was the French guy that had to guillotine.

[SPEAKER_04]: He thought he was just right.

[SPEAKER_04]: So Trump believes that he is all parts of the state.

[SPEAKER_04]: He can function as all parts.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he can go do this and that.

[SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't need intel, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: He told me said, I don't listen to her.

[SPEAKER_04]: Of course he doesn't have to.

[SPEAKER_04]: He has all capacity of the state in one man.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he may not need Huckabee to be competent or not to be a laughing stock in Israel or any place else.

[SPEAKER_04]: but that's kind of interesting because that means BB has got to have Trump in his pocket.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think he does anymore.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think Trump has Trump's transactional.

[SPEAKER_04]: He did a deal, he took the money, he took care of his friends.

[SPEAKER_04]: to care for the sun and law, does all the things, to care a big minute in Yahoo, and now BBC still wants more.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you're 80 years old.

[SPEAKER_04]: At what point do you stop begging me for stuff?

[SPEAKER_04]: Pretty soon, I'm just gonna smack you down.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, and that's just Trump being Trump.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's not a thought, him being the president.

[SPEAKER_04]: But Trump is not,

[SPEAKER_04]: He seems like he doesn't know a lot about our economy, you know, he talks about how great our economy is, and that's all.

[SPEAKER_04]: What are you talking about?

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, the stock market?

[SPEAKER_04]: What are you talking about?

[SPEAKER_04]: That's okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Lutheran Industrial Complex in AI bubbles.

[SPEAKER_04]: What is growing in this country?

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's not much.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he has a lot of things he doesn't know much about.

[SPEAKER_04]: But,

[SPEAKER_04]: in terms of what people think about him and like popular things like he knows, Trump knows that pro-Israel isn't working as a thing for our coming elections as fall.

[SPEAKER_04]: He knows it.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he will do what he always does.

[SPEAKER_04]: He only backs winters.

[SPEAKER_04]: A Fnennia who's not in Winnish, like a back-knit-knit-knit-knit-knit-knit-knit- he's vulnerable.

[SPEAKER_04]: But he also is not gonna back in general a pro-Israel position if that doesn't serve Trump,

[SPEAKER_04]: politically and friends.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now let's say some of Trump's friends are Democrats, some are Republicans.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't really consider him the leader of the party, although, I mean, I don't think he...

[SPEAKER_04]: except to that duty.

[SPEAKER_04]: But he knows that he is not going to go out on a stump speech and talk about how greed is real is.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's not going to do that.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I haven't heard Trump say one thing about this merger, about the two, two, four or two, 19, the section bill of the NDA that they're supposedly debating.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they will pass, they will pass.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they don't want to debate that section.

[SPEAKER_04]: And there's other sections, there's like five different sections that impact that this fusion.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's not talking jumps on time with that.

[SPEAKER_04]: He knows it's not hard.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, he don't anything about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the guy is always his greatest weakness in Washington.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you go back, take all the emotion out of it for a free sentence, but

[SPEAKER_02]: You could tell in 2016, 2017, that he was in trouble because he brings his real estate type of mindset to DC and he doesn't understand that the personalities and the people, like just because they kiss your ass doesn't mean that they're going to work for you.

[SPEAKER_02]: It means that they're trying to wiggle their way in.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, that's how you got John Bolton, who's his national security adviser in the first term.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Pompeo.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Pompeo, these guys are dying the wool against him, but they came in and said the right things flattered him enough.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think it was described as the very best sucker, the best human sucker, better than anybody, to Trump.

[SPEAKER_04]: And yet he wrote a book, showed his true feelings, which of course were, I mean, Trump must have been, I don't know, I doubt he read the book, but he was probably told about some of this stuff and he was like, what?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because he doesn't realize.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this real estate mentality and really money-making mentality too, it's just a very, I mean, I'm all for making money, I think that's great, you know, but you don't do it on, you know, by manipulating information that only you and your staff control, you know, like investing in shorts on oil and all these other things, this whole, you know, the 40-day war,

[SPEAKER_04]: and the endless discussions that we have a deal, we don't have a deal, straight so it's not open, you know, that's, you know, it's fine of the first couple times, you go, oh, well, that's all right.

[SPEAKER_04]: But after it happens over and over again, even the average American goes.

[SPEAKER_04]: don't try to, you know, this is both crap.

[SPEAKER_04]: What do you, this is not right.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I think Trump has some awareness of what the mood is in America.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that supports him in reversing Netanyahu's strength, canceling this vigilant mid, mid, I think he should do it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think a nice lady would do it, because I don't see what Netanyahu adds to Trump's

[SPEAKER_04]: current deal right now what is Trump working on right now well he's he done with the right no one talked about a ran other than I want I want you know everybody knows this not true but we don't care because nobody wanted that or anyway right so now he's like I got to get some people elected he's he's not gonna get his save America what the voting thing you know the citizenship thing that's not what he wants is not going to come into play this election so now what is he gonna do well he's got

[SPEAKER_04]: try to be popular.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, the last thing he wants to do to be popular in America right now is bring BB Netanyahu into the White House, you know, that is not a good look that will be utilized by a ton of people that oppose him in both parties.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it hangs around his neck, the Gaza thing, which, of course, apparently, and this may be why Netanyahu is coming too, because I've seen some stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: You probably have too.

[SPEAKER_04]: not just about a base that we're building and the occupied part of Gaza because they shrunk it down to 30% of what it was, 70% run by the IDF, that's totally bulldozed, it's nothing there.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're going to build American base but they're also going to build, I saw a picture of portable housing units, you know, just

[SPEAKER_04]: miles of them there to bring, you know, they're trying to empty out Gaza.

[SPEAKER_04]: Trump wants to do this.

[SPEAKER_04]: He said this, and he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he

[SPEAKER_04]: and uh... but now he's talking about that again so i could see be didn't yet who board of peace type stuff but and yet none of that is a good look for trump in his supporters to encourage them to get out and vote uh... and and vote republican i guess you want to vote republican i i no longer understand

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, anybody else, that I, I, I go Republican, I have voted Republican, voted libertarian, but when I vote Republican occasionally, I get a Republican, what I, the guy's name was on the ballot, I voted for him, then he got elected, okay?

[SPEAKER_04]: That's great.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then I wonder what he did, and I've been watching our sixth district, um,

[SPEAKER_04]: Congressman, who is, like, what is his name?

[SPEAKER_04]: God, I tell you my brain.

[SPEAKER_04]: I get this with brain thing to look on up here.

[SPEAKER_04]: But anyway, he said that he, because he represents this Appalachian, a long Appalachian, Chendor Valley County.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, or not county district, the five or six selling panties.

[SPEAKER_04]: So we're like the people that you people came from, you know, we're like this Appalachian Scotch Irish type thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're independent and all that.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he tells people and he tells us that he's part of the Freedom Caucus in Congress, you know, along with Massey and all these other guys.

[SPEAKER_04]: And, um,

[SPEAKER_04]: He said this continually, he has never voted with the Freedom Caucus ever.

[SPEAKER_04]: But he uses it as a label because, you know, that makes us feel good about our stupid vote that we gave up.

[SPEAKER_04]: So,

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, even Trump is aware of what's interesting to the American people, what's going to help them move more in his support, and it has nothing to do with BB Netanyahu.

[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, his Gaza peace thing has been ridiculed, so I wouldn't think he wants to publicize any of that.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think he wants shots of him and Netanyahu in office.

[SPEAKER_04]: Also Netanyahu, you know, how nervous, well, you just saw the video, how he's discombobulated

[SPEAKER_04]: Trump doesn't like clingy.

[SPEAKER_04]: He likes flattery.

[SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't like clingy.

[SPEAKER_04]: You've got to be looking and you've got to flatter him.

[SPEAKER_04]: Look at and being struck.

[SPEAKER_04]: We look in week and being clingy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my God.

[SPEAKER_04]: That is antithetical to Trump's circle of friends.

[SPEAKER_02]: Are they engaging into diplomacy or are they dating?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just like it's like he's dating everybody.

[SPEAKER_04]: Did you see who he said about his his sons?

[SPEAKER_04]: My two beautiful sons in the audience?

[SPEAKER_04]: Did you see that video?

[SPEAKER_02]: I did not know.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was speaking

[SPEAKER_04]: these, it was some July 4th related event, but it was before the 4th, and these guys were dressed in like period uniforms or something.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what it was.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it goes up there and he's looking at the eyes.

[SPEAKER_04]: He says, I see my two beautiful sons and he starts talking but I'm a nausea trope.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, what?

[SPEAKER_04]: And the guys behind and we're all facing the camera and they're just like, one, what did I just hear?

[SPEAKER_04]: Because you know, some people, you know, you zone off sometimes when somebody's speaking at a podium every day.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so it was almost

[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, I said, it's a great season of breaks, but he does know what people like and he has a natural ability Trump does to appeal to that, which is how he had elected twice and almost elected three times.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it would have been

[SPEAKER_04]: Twice anyway, but you know the one he supposedly was stolen from him.

[SPEAKER_04]: He did a great job, you know in that campaign That's why I mean so many people were big they assumed he had won because it just he had a winning campaign Yeah, the guy in the basement, you know, I mean like I had who couldn't beat that that was that was really interesting But so he runs these good campaigns.

[SPEAKER_04]: He under he has a kind of an ability to connect with people

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I remember his McDonald's drive through and drive in the garbage truck, you know, this is great stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it was great.

[SPEAKER_04]: Meaningless in the after, you know, where if we look back, but it was great stuff, so you guys good instincts there.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think BB fits into his good instincts.

[SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, I hope he cancels the trip or better he treats him like dog shit when he gets here.

[SPEAKER_04]: That would be good too.

[SPEAKER_04]: Either way, I'll take it.

[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, we don't want BB in this country and we don't want his military and our military.

[SPEAKER_04]: now at all we'd like you get them they should do citizen should not be working in the Pentagon I'm sorry you're not completely working the Pentagon maybe you want to be a you know you want to sweep the floors something like that but you shouldn't have a clearance you you're a dual citizen you should not have a security clearance and they give clearances to everybody in the Pentagon pretty much everybody in there's got one so we could clean out the Pentagon just by doing that and and I'm not talking just about

[SPEAKER_04]: And it just, that would be fair.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know why Trump doesn't pick up on stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I've got this quote for a Christian sent to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to do my best Trump impersonation, which is not a very good one.

[SPEAKER_02]: But as I see my two beautiful sons sitting there, I think I'm going to have one to myself, one to them, and we'll have a three-sum.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then you continue to pick out one of the two.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give them the Congressional Medal of Honor for something.

[SPEAKER_04]: Whoa dude, okay, all right.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, who says that, you know, like if you're, you know, I'm not making fun of people with a family so that have parents with all timers or dementia situation.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think almost everybody I know has had so experience with that.

[SPEAKER_04]: And, but if you, if you've gotten grandpa, send it to the head of the table, same things like that, you know, what do we think?

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's hilarious, but But we also say, you know, he's not quite all there.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know, we're to that come from what is he talking about?

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's and then but now we have a president of the United States sending a top the most powerful military in the world although I would debate that but whatever it used to be.

[SPEAKER_04]: you know, across the United States, he's the most powerful man in the world, the unipolar world, we run the world, we run space too, by the way.

[SPEAKER_04]: We run everything, we're in charge of all of it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And our guys sitting up there at the head of the table is saying stuff, the grandpa, or Uncle Freddy might say, either when he's drunk off his butt, or he's lost his mind, one of the two.

[SPEAKER_04]: And we're sitting there like, that's okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, and I'm not saying article 25, hammer, or whatever.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if at the moment, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't care about that, but I mean, yes, the 25th of the month, but you know, because I've we did that, we could get rid of everyone on every time, we'd take like a month, because they got elected, we could just go running through, because they're all incompetent, they're all thieves, they're all crooks, they're all, you know, I mean, we just don't have honest people.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now if we'd elected Ron Paul, then I wouldn't say that, because I know Ron Paul, and

[SPEAKER_04]: But how long would he last his president?

[SPEAKER_04]: He'd be the first one they impeached because he would try to actually put the Go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-go

[SPEAKER_04]: respect for the government.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I thought I thought people in government and I also had respect for the people in military.

[SPEAKER_04]: I really did.

[SPEAKER_04]: I thought the uniform told everything.

[SPEAKER_04]: And now that I'm older and I've been around the block of the times, you know, I honestly have no respect for any of them.

[SPEAKER_04]: I would have to really work hard to get one tiny, Iota of respect for any of them.

[SPEAKER_04]: Even if they do something right, it's like, you know, broken clock, what am I, that's, I'm not impressed by that.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, in Trump, Trump fulfills that.

[SPEAKER_04]: He makes it so that my attitude of disrespect to the state onto the government is, is justify, Trump every single day, everything that I see him do,

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, everything that he tries to do, everything he talks about, every time he presents himself in public, I'm like, yeah, I was right.

[SPEAKER_04]: No respect for you.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's not just Trump himself.

[SPEAKER_04]: I do respect him as a, uh, real estate guy.

[SPEAKER_04]: I respect him as a, a family person who has three to, you know, three wives.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm not against divorce.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think divorce has to happen sometimes.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I'm not, I, I, it's sad.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I, but I like it as a lot of kids.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's good for our country.

[SPEAKER_02]: his kids aren't junkies i mean they're they're successful you know and so there's a good hand and there's somewhere so yeah he has that call the i knew we expect that about him but as a as a politician as a president as a leader of men forget it yeah so on this note right and i've got a an interesting question to posit you on the back end of this so

[SPEAKER_02]: We've had, we've had JD Vance out there.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's acting, in my opinion, a bit, is the bad cop in this relationship, because, and I would like to think differently, I would like to think that Vance is acting, in, according to his own character, and to the things he truly believes in, but if you run the line on the whole war and Iran,

[SPEAKER_02]: and at really everything else, and even Vance's comments going back years, there's always a good cop in a bad cop.

[SPEAKER_02]: Particularly when it comes to Israel, Vance seems very malleable in his beliefs, just whatever gets him out in front.

[SPEAKER_02]: But on that note, he was out there talking about, effectively warning Netanyahu about what he should say about the United States and Netanyahu responded and we got that video right here.

[SPEAKER_01]: If I was in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I might not be attacking the only powerful ally that I have anywhere left in the entire world.

[SPEAKER_03]: What was your reaction when you heard that?

[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, I respect JD Vance.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have a very good relationship, but doesn't mean that I agree with everything that he says and I have to point out this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Donald Trump is the greatest friend we ever had in the White House, and I stand by that completely.

[SPEAKER_00]: Secondly, we have some other friends like a small country called India.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it has 1.4 billion people and boy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do we have a tremendous support there?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I have this Facebook thing and I'm just flooded by these, by the overwhelming support there and we have many others.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let me tell you where we have support because it's fashionable now and many countries because they're media and they're social media are inundated with anti-Israel anti-Semitic material.

[SPEAKER_00]: Many leaders, you know, call me up and say, hey, look, I've got this problem with public opinion, but I want you to know, we respect you.

[SPEAKER_00]: And can we make some deals?

[SPEAKER_00]: And can you teach us some of the things that your military does?

[SPEAKER_00]: And can we have some of your AI and cyber expertise?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, as well as the number two country, cyber in the world, and the art technologies.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, that's so good.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the relations are not quite as they appear.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we have many, many friends.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so there's a couple.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's, yeah, just thank you, Bindi Boxer.

[SPEAKER_02]: I feel sick hearing him too, but for some reason we're doing this to ourselves today because it's worth, and you've got to pay the man.

[SPEAKER_02]: But so there's a couple of things in there.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would throw jabs all over the place on this, like one, you have all these cyber capabilities and tech capabilities.

[SPEAKER_02]: Where did they come from, my bud?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's right.

[SPEAKER_04]: I wonder where they came from.

[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and it's not just, uh,

[SPEAKER_04]: That if you think about when he talks about his cyber capabilities and his AI and his military capabilities, all How many people on the planet like nine billion people on the planet were like eight billion nine hundred Million of those people on the planet immediately think of oh you mean like in Gaza

[SPEAKER_04]: You mean the military skills you demonstrated in Gaza and the AI, you know, the software from Palantir, which actually is not an Israeli company, that's an American company.

[SPEAKER_04]: And oh, by the way, you know, don't you steal most of this stuff?

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I seriously, I think Israelis are smart as the Europeans stock that they came from, I mean, because, and that's the same, you know, we, you know, I have a German background, so I grew up in every Germans, I think they're smart and a lot of engineers, you know.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, but yeah, Israel has no, uh, a lock on any of that stuff, and they're also actually what we do like about them, and I'm sure what India's interested in is, um, how did your missile actually work, and where are they, right now, you know, and, and what are their targets look like just, just wondering, you know, I'd like to know more about that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think people are friends with Israel, and I don't think clearly, you know, honestly,

[SPEAKER_04]: The United States is not friends with Israel.

[SPEAKER_04]: Congresses are afraid of Israel, afraid that if they don't take Israel a peck money The their opponent will and then they won't be a congressman which most of shouldn't be anyway

[SPEAKER_04]: But right at that is fear.

[SPEAKER_04]: They don't really like Israel.

[SPEAKER_04]: The people in the military we've had for years.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, when I was there even years before, you know, is really the idea of and is really generals and ambassadors who come into the Pentagon, they're very assertive, let's say.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's a kind word, okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're bossy.

[SPEAKER_04]: They are entitled.

[SPEAKER_04]: their arrogant.

[SPEAKER_04]: They think they know everything and they're here to benefit their own country.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're inside the Pentagon to benefit their own country.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's very clearly well known.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't care, you know, they fired a guy at the joint staff.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, it was four or five months ago.

[SPEAKER_04]: because he complained.

[SPEAKER_04]: He said something about this really shouldn't be here in this joint staff meeting when we're talking about the work, something like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Since it's some comment, I'm not sure you made it verbally or you've talked to a friend on social media, whatever it was, you know, we're really going to panoptic on, so it could have been anything.

[SPEAKER_04]: But they fired the guy for his attitude and I'm thinking to myself, well, that's all of our attitude.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's everyone in the Pentagon shares that attitude if they've ever run in to or worked with an idea of soldier.

[SPEAKER_04]: or a general or a member of the Israeli government.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is, we already like, duh, you know, this is the fact.

[SPEAKER_04]: So they can't take those facts being out there, but the facts are real.

[SPEAKER_04]: So we don't, we're not friends with people like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, we are fearful of them.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think politicians are fearful of them.

[SPEAKER_04]: We like, we may need them.

[SPEAKER_04]: Seriously, the technology doesn't come just from Israel.

[SPEAKER_04]: Israel takes it.

[SPEAKER_04]: What we do, too.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've got laundry lists written out of different things.

[SPEAKER_02]: They've snagged over the years.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure that's Chinese.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's actually, they are a tiny, tiny, tiny little country.

[SPEAKER_04]: Under Dures, they have a socialist designism as a socialist economy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Stayed owns everything.

[SPEAKER_04]: If you have a house that's not in your lease, it's not from the state.

[SPEAKER_04]: Only a few people have private property in Israel.

[SPEAKER_04]: Netanyahu is one of them.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, they have a model that is not known for innovation, okay?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's a communist model, really.

[SPEAKER_04]: In Trump, it's talk about communism now, which I'm so excited about.

[SPEAKER_04]: Communism, let's talk about communism, well anyway.

[SPEAKER_04]: But communism is a, it's a scourge, and it's, it really leads, if you try to implement communism, you end up with what Soviet Union had.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, they built some stuff, sure, but a lot of people died, and their economy stagnated to the point of internal collapse.

[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't like a Reagan bottle, these weapons, and they tried to keep up.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, there was way deeper problems, and they were caused by the model.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that same model is the model that Israel was founded on, and it's very much what they have now.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, it's a clanish kind of clickish mafia, so-type socialist.

[SPEAKER_04]: set up.

[SPEAKER_04]: That is fine.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't care what they do.

[SPEAKER_04]: But don't go, don't go around trying to both smoke up everybody, skirt about how this is an innovative society.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is a highly competitive, productive society that you can't, you can't sell that.

[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't work.

[SPEAKER_04]: They got it from the same way we said, the Soviets got it and the Chinese got it back in the 70s and 80s and 90s, if you count.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, who's got it?

[SPEAKER_04]: How do I get it from them?

[SPEAKER_04]: And then when like improvements and that's fine, the world has changed since then, but Israel's model of doing the business has not changed.

[SPEAKER_04]: They are so he's insulting to capitalism and it's insulting to entrepreneurialism, it's insulting to

[SPEAKER_04]: technology advances to, for, for Israel to claim that without context.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, but, but, you know, and they really, they're not set up to really succeed.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is a real problem.

[SPEAKER_04]: If I was in Israeli,

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I would have it, I'll be up a hard time because I'm not a racist, but if I could get over that and be a patriotic Israeli living in Israel, I would be in politics big time.

[SPEAKER_04]: I would be bangin' on doors like, dude, free up this country, yeah, okay, now for the Arabs.

[SPEAKER_04]: But free it up for us, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they don't, they don't have a free society.

[SPEAKER_04]: They don't have a really core system that can sustain itself.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's not just all the waste of fighting wars all the time, because that's going to drain any country.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's totally the end of civilization for your state, if you're constantly at war.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's a dead sentence.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they're involved in that.

[SPEAKER_04]: But they don't even have the foundation of innovation.

[SPEAKER_04]: Everything that they do, and Trump, this is a bad thing about Trump.

[SPEAKER_04]: Really, something I didn't see coming with him.

[SPEAKER_04]: Trump wants to buy up U.S. shares of everything.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, U.S. is going to own, we're going to do this.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to, in fact, you're going to buy nuclear set up.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to get into business, who did he buy intel?

[SPEAKER_04]: 10% of intel.

[SPEAKER_04]: when do all this stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think he gets these ideas from Israel.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think he gets him from his really friends, from Stephen Miller, from Bivenet, Yahoo, and others.

[SPEAKER_04]: They say, well, how is Israel all of their major industries, and anything that has to do with security, technology, any of that is owned by the state, just like the land is owned by the state.

[SPEAKER_04]: So this model is a really bad model.

[SPEAKER_04]: Historically, it's a non-performing,

[SPEAKER_04]: Model it's a dead system.

[SPEAKER_04]: That is not how you get growth in Entrepreneurism and anything good But Trump seems to think it's good.

[SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't understand that and I think it's probably because he never he built buildings and he borrowed a lot of money But he hasn't really He hasn't really created something from scratch.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, and so he doesn't really know how things work and how You know he doesn't understand that there's a free property on the ship.

[SPEAKER_04]: He thinks he owns the United States

[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't work like that, you know, we have property rights in those property rights or the very foundation of the freedom we were celebrating, if we were celebrating this past weekend.

[SPEAKER_04]: So this kind of, this is a uniquely American kind of concept that we had from the beginning.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not perfect.

[SPEAKER_04]: But there's some good things we ought to cling to.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's one of them.

[SPEAKER_04]: Israel never had that.

[SPEAKER_04]: They don't have a constitution.

[SPEAKER_04]: They don't have a built on, you know, they say, well, we're just like you, we're built on stolen land.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they're nothing like the United States.

[SPEAKER_04]: nothing like the United States at all in their evolution and their government or anything.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they do everything, everything of importance is pretty much owned by the government in Israel.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'll tell you, there are sectors of government that do the development and everything's like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: So we're moving in that direction, which is unfortunate for us because it's a death sentence for your economy and your ability to actually have a good military.

[SPEAKER_04]: But

[SPEAKER_04]: Trump seems very interested in that.

[SPEAKER_04]: He seems interested in, and that's actually another word for that is national socialism.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, can't say the Nazi word, but the foundation of national socialism is the same thing, and that's where Zionism, you know, they shared a lot of the same founding ideologies.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, again, again, let's take care of America.

[SPEAKER_04]: And let's be careful about who we let in our military, who we let in our Pentagon, who we integrate with our progress.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's look at all these things because what we have is worth protecting.

[SPEAKER_04]: What is worth is real protecting.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just is real.

[SPEAKER_04]: They can do what they want to do.

[SPEAKER_04]: Face consequences.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't care.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's your choice.

[SPEAKER_04]: You want to fight everybody.

[SPEAKER_04]: Go fight everybody.

[SPEAKER_04]: Not my problem.

[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you got a friend who wants to get a bunch of bar fights, let him go.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to join you.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I'm not going to bar with you because every time I go, you get me in a fight.

[SPEAKER_04]: I get her.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have to pay the guy because you don't have any money, so I got to pay the damages to the bar.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sick of it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not doing it anymore.

[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, we have definitely, we need airspace between us and Israel in particular, but obviously,

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, sovereignty is an important thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think sovereignty is the word of the decade.

[SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate it.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're not living it yet, but if you look at what the bricks are saying, you know, and what Iran is saying, and what Americans are saying, what actual Americans in this country 80% of them are saying, we want sovereignty.

[SPEAKER_04]: And we better pay attention to what we want or we're going to get what Israel has, which we don't want.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's a very concerning.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it happily, BB is anervice.

[SPEAKER_04]: BB's office game.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's looking old.

[SPEAKER_04]: Look at a little shabby.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, don't have a good argument.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, and you were going to ask about vans like what you had the vans.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let me reframe it for you here.

[SPEAKER_02]: I really push for your saying.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I got shout out to Waikiki, Leo.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: My dad was Secretary of the Navy.

[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate your comment.

[SPEAKER_02]: But, um, so one one small detail about state ownership.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I would prefer in some instances.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't have to get this conversation right now.

[SPEAKER_02]: The government would own some of the things like ammunition plants.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like that would be nice.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can't put the entire military for profit.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm actually closer to you than you think on that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because only because when I look at comparative systems, major defensive systems and productivity systems and resilient systems, I look at Russia, China, even India, I look at Iran.

[SPEAKER_04]: They all have models that don't have a military industrial complex has all kinds of stuff in the stock market and everybody's portfolio is supposedly dependent on this.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's actually much worse to do it the way because because our politicians are not honorable now if you had politicians It said, you know, I'm here for the people that live in my district and I'm also a moral person So I'm not going to steal from 434 other districts to support a stupid pet project in my district because I'm an American first Mm-hmm if we had 435

[SPEAKER_04]: 535 senators and congressmen that all said I'm an American first and I support the people in my district or my state second and that's it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't steal.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't lie.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like you to steal.

[SPEAKER_04]: Isn't that what they teach at the academies?

[SPEAKER_04]: Don't lie, steep and chill.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's a steal or it's not where anyone who does.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that used to be the honor code to take a look at him.

[SPEAKER_02]: I got that kind of thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is that any more?

[SPEAKER_02]: Real-dend to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't go there.

[SPEAKER_04]: But my dad drilled that in a music show.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's a great code and it makes a lot of sense.

[SPEAKER_04]: And if politicians had that, we would not need to have a national defense sector for ammunition, or the production of tanks or weapons of war.

[SPEAKER_04]: We wouldn't need the government to actually have a division that did this or department.

[SPEAKER_04]: But we don't have honorable people.

[SPEAKER_04]: They do like cheating steel.

[SPEAKER_04]: They don't support they're not Americans first and they don't support the people in their district quite frankly.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, if you want to say like, oh, I sent welfare money back.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, fine.

[SPEAKER_04]: But no, they're not, they like the kickbacks from welfare money.

[SPEAKER_04]: Not much, little bit.

[SPEAKER_04]: They get the big kickbacks from the defense industrial establishment, big farm, you know, all these other private sectors that really aren't that private after all.

[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I'm with you.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm with you.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm with you on that.

[SPEAKER_04]: We want to have a comparable military and also survive as the United States have an economy that actually works.

[SPEAKER_04]: Have people that actually can drive on drive their cars without pot holes and have bridges that don't collapse on.

[SPEAKER_04]: If we wanted, if we want to do that, we've got to cut our military budget drastically.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean seriously down.

[SPEAKER_02]: We recently have it as big as it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now the nickels and dimes.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then we also need a good military.

[SPEAKER_04]: that defend America.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right now, we have this massive military cost, one-and-a-half trillion to train, whatever it's going to cost.

[SPEAKER_04]: It has all this stuff because all around the world doesn't defend a single American.

[SPEAKER_04]: We can't even defend American military bases in Gulf States.

[SPEAKER_04]: We can't defend American military bases.

[SPEAKER_04]: We put our guys in hotels, they were bombs, they were targeted.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's how stupid.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's how it's not even built into their priorities to protect American bases.

[SPEAKER_04]: Much less protecting the United States, we have no protections.

[SPEAKER_04]: You wouldn't need to actually wipe it to zero.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is your base budget on Fenga?

[SPEAKER_04]: Rebuild, obviously, what does American need for defense?

[SPEAKER_04]: And also, let's define defense.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not Department of War.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you do, you could have that and you could fund that.

[SPEAKER_04]: But we're actually talking about defense.

[SPEAKER_04]: What does it take?

[SPEAKER_04]: And we could have a normalized military budget and at that point, we don't need lobbying.

[SPEAKER_04]: We just have a department that plans it out.

[SPEAKER_04]: And actually, that's kind of like,

[SPEAKER_04]: a department of war thinking because of when you're actively in war, you do see all countries that have war, they see the state come in hard and manage the industry.

[SPEAKER_04]: Trump's trying to do it now.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, people can't buy the people who are one by those cars, so let's build tanks there.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're an asshole.

[SPEAKER_04]: Don't even think about that.

[SPEAKER_04]: You are not the smartest guy in the room.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're not even the smartest guy in the bathroom.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, guys, he has no business thinking this way, but did an attractive concept.

[SPEAKER_04]: for people to get rich on, and for socialism and communism to be ushered into this country, total control, totalitarianism.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's what that is.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you have a factory?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he didn't he kidnapped the guy in Venezuela because the guy was seizing businesses, like we're seizing business.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then he goes, oh no, but we're going to take this.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to direct, we're going to direct forward motor company to start building tanks.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're not even at war.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, I got your defense production act.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's a slippery slope, but it could be.

[SPEAKER_04]: But done for actual defense.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Unwith a tiny, tiny budget where we don't have profiteers surrounding the beltway, calling their congressman saying, add this in, add this in, no auditing, no knowledge of where this one goes, no knowledge of what the CIA does with their portion of the defense bills.

[SPEAKER_04]: No knowledge of any, no, no, no, we can wipe that clean out.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I don't think I'm radical.

[SPEAKER_04]: in saying that.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's just common sense.

[SPEAKER_04]: And everybody, most people, if they give it some thought, they go, wait a minute, the same work.

[SPEAKER_04]: And just, it's like you're friend in the bar.

[SPEAKER_04]: And after about two or three fights, it's like, dude, you can go by yourself.

[SPEAKER_04]: I need to take care of myself and save money.

[SPEAKER_04]: We can, we can have a different system for sure.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's, that's in the future.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's, we'll go, we're skiing to that at a

[SPEAKER_04]: But I do hope I do hope you're right on Vance that he has good instincts.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not even sure he does, but let's hope that he does in that they do emerge because I can tell you Rubio is going to be your next Republican candidate the way it's going right now.

[SPEAKER_02]: That would be, seeing if you want all this stuff to go away, because that guy has the charisma of my cup of coffee, but he has, you know, a friend and baby.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's got no morals whatsoever.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's completely obsessed with power.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I believe, and I hope I'm on generalizing here, but being that he's Cuban and being that he's got a burners saddle about Cuba, I would say he holds a grudge.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he's a grudge holder.

[SPEAKER_04]: So who needs that?

[SPEAKER_04]: We don't.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now, need somebody to put some America first.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, Karen, I truly appreciate your time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for coming by.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's great to see you again.

[SPEAKER_02]: Good to see you.

[SPEAKER_02]: I miss Virginia.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love Florida, but I miss Virginia.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, if you take this mountain's for me.

[SPEAKER_04]: It is, yes, yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm staying here forever and I'll watch it before you.

[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate that and your people.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm back.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm back all the time, but take with Towsky.

[SPEAKER_02]: Truly appreciate you coming by.

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