ROBERT BARNES : DSA Candidate Surge - What's really happening ?

Something big is happening in American politics, and you can feel it in the weird places first: a World Cup officiating firestorm, a Senate succession rumor mill, and a younger electorate that no longer trusts either party to deliver. We start with Robert Barnes breaking down Team USA’s run, the Balogun red card reversal, and why “fixing an injustice” matters more than defending broken procedure, especially when global institutions are already viewed with suspicion.

Then we pivot hard to Kentucky. With Mitch McConnell’s future in question, we walk through how timing, state law, and party machines can shape who gets a shot at replacing him. That’s where Thomas Massey enters the frame: a short-term Senate appointment or special election run could be a political accelerator, not a placeholder, and a proving ground for a future statewide campaign.

From there, the conversation widens to the real storyline: populism is being copied, remixed, and weaponized across the spectrum. We talk Democratic Socialists of America, progressive insurgents, and how “anti-elite” language can drift toward authoritarian cultural enforcement. We also apply the same lens to the Texas Senate race, donor-class influence, shifting Hispanic turnout, and what J.D. Vance’s Iran peace efforts could mean for limiting a 2026 midterm collapse. If you’re trying to understand where the duopoly cracks next, this is the roadmap.

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Chapter Markers

• 0:00 Headlines And What’s Ahead
• 1:17 World Cup Takeaways And Team USA
• 4:34 The Balogun Red Card Controversy
• 7:55 Why The World Cup Feels Different
• 11:47 McConnell’s Seat And Massey’s Opening
• 16:45 Third Parties As Pressure Valves
• 18:59 DSA Rising On Populist Language
• 24:19 Culture Wars Undercut Left Populism
• 32:34 Texas Senate Race And Paxton’s Problems
• 41:21 Why Polling Misleads And Media Captures Voters
• 43:38 Midterm Forecast And The Iran Peace Test
• 49:29 1776 Law Center Event And Sign-Off

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, here we are live and Mitch McConnell looks like he's not going to be able to resume his duties in the U.S. at any time soon.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, parts go out to his family, but regardless of that, it presents an opportunity for Thomas Massey to maybe do the absolutely funniest thing he can possibly do and get a promotion.

[SPEAKER_00]: Robert Barnes is here to talk to us about that and also DSA and progressive candidates across the country.

[SPEAKER_00]: continue to gain steam and co-op the message that got Donald Trump elected can that be reversed.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess we're going to find out that more coming up next.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Tuesday, June 7th, we are live, and we are here with Robert Barnes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Barnes, love the hat.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for joining us.

[SPEAKER_01]: Glad to be here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's great.

[SPEAKER_00]: So before we get into this, we got to obviously address the Thousand Pound Grill in the room last night's absolute,

[SPEAKER_00]: absent showing gong show of a showing of team USA, um, like I said, puts the world cup to rest, but, uh, and we get back to baseball season, but, um, what do you think about Trump playing game with FIFA?

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, my I've been a soccer fan for a long time and the I thought it was this it was a solid performance overall in the world cup.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, basically we had three good games.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would even say the Turkey game game is mostly backups was a good game.

[SPEAKER_01]: The we played Paraguay much better than either France the World Cup favorites or Germany did.

[SPEAKER_01]: We did well against Australia, even with Policic getting hurt.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that was the biggest thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're not at the, we're, I call it middle class team in terms of a global perspective from talent.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Belgium, before example, is an upper middle class team in terms of talent.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then you got the France, the Germany, the England, et cetera.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Brazil, the Argentina, the rich teams.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so the middle class teams don't usually have depth.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's one of their weak vulnerabilities and losing our best offensive player in Policic effectively for the whole tournament.

[SPEAKER_01]: Once he went down, he only came back for one half against Belgium and he wasn't the same guy out there last night.

[SPEAKER_01]: uh... it was going to do a serious serious blow the uh... but i mean otherwise and then uh... you know a great you know what you want if you're tiering your team one of the goes far as they can but the second and finished finishing at the round of sixteen makes sense where we're not a top eight team in the world uh... we're not even a top twelve team in the world so it would have been an upset for us to make it to the quarter finals we've only made it to quarter finals once in contemporary history you know twice if you go away back to the nineteen thirty world cup

[SPEAKER_01]: The very first ever World Cup where we did well, and so I thought that the, as a whole as a team I thought it was a solid performance we, you know, unfortunately our worst game in our biggest vulnerability has got exposed at the very end.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't as competitive as I think it normally would have been.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was years ago and Belgium knocked us out an extra time, but you know, that's the game where our goalkeeper, you know, had the record setting number of saves.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, and we don't have this, you know, our goalkeeper's kind of average, we have a good left back five years ago, but his age is called up to him, and he matches up poorly against the fast wingers that Belgium has.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of a nightmare dystopia.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, as the balligan, he never should have been suspended in the first place, never had a red card in the first place.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the, I see some of you left there saying it has no historical precedent, they're wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: One of the first World Cup's 1962 Brazil, a Brazilian player in Chile, and Brazil is the favorite for that World Cup at a key player in a red card, and FIFA reversed it and reinseated them for the final.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, much more than I think, much will get you big time.

[SPEAKER_01]: And as a whole, the people are emphasizing, oh, this is so rare.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's so rare because straight red cards are so rare.

[SPEAKER_01]: They almost never issue straight red cards in elimination games.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think we've had more red cards issued in this tournament that I think the last eight tournaments combined.

[SPEAKER_01]: So people that are, yeah, I think mistading that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, I think Trump taking credit for it made it more controversial than another wise would have been.

[SPEAKER_01]: that the uh... instead i mean you know a messy you know the urgent time player that the world cup really wants to see succeed but had a much worse foul earlier in the cup and didn't get a red card and we're gonna have consistent principles we supposed to go back now it's spending it for a game uh... and i get europe growing up a wall and caught in complaining about it

[SPEAKER_01]: To me, I think what did that was Trump taking credit for it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Trump is why it happened.

[SPEAKER_01]: There was massive controversy right away.

[SPEAKER_01]: You did this to the main host.

[SPEAKER_01]: You had to screw it up officiating because that's what they do, really.

[SPEAKER_01]: FIFA officiating.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the venues are provided by us and others.

[SPEAKER_01]: So their main objective is officiating.

[SPEAKER_01]: And to get something so bad, it's such a key time for a big host country where you're trying to make soccer inroads.

[SPEAKER_01]: If we had gone out and lost the same margin, most people would have focused or many people would have focused on him being out.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where I thought they made the correct decision.

[SPEAKER_01]: People like, oh, they violated their procedures and how they reversed this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it didn't violate their procedures explicitly.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just rare that they do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: When violated procedures was how they did this in the first place.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the idea, well, he's screwed up, now he can't fix it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand that, logic.

[SPEAKER_01]: So from a soccer perspective, fan perspective, I thought there was, I agreed with FIFA's decision to reverse.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I just waste Trump, what if not, stuck his name, once he put his name on it, it was going to take on a whole different controversial global controversy.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what happened.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, big time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And like, I watch the whole tournament.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a pretty good big soccer guy myself, follow the EPL very, very, very closely.

[SPEAKER_00]: Go Chelsea, unfortunately.

[SPEAKER_00]: Boy, so, but to see that red card on Bal again, like after the review, it was just a regular foul and they went back and said, oh, by the way, you're ejecting.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can only use VAR for a red card under extraordinary limited circumstances that did not apply there.

[SPEAKER_01]: They violated their own rules, violated their own procedures.

[SPEAKER_01]: We managed to survive it, which I thought was the best game we've played.

[SPEAKER_01]: Paraguay, you could say, stylistically was the best game, but that was when we were up against it in an elimination game, down a man undeservedly, and for basically half the game.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard, down a man.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when England didn't have to get to Mexico, everybody's like, wow, well, the greatest games ever.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, well, we just did that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's Bosnia, which was, you know, no roller.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a Bosnia team that knocked Italy out of the world cup.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you know, didn't even get to come here.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the, I thought, so far it's been great.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think the venues have been good.

[SPEAKER_01]: The atmosphere has been great.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love the world cup.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's my favorite sporting event anywhere in the world because it's a combination of nationalism, uh, and the, and sort of global appeal.

[SPEAKER_01]: The whole world really watches this.

[SPEAKER_01]: The whole world really doesn't watch most other sports.

[SPEAKER_01]: The ordinary person has pay late pointed out, can play it.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to be a freakish athlete to be good at soccer.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes in fact, you're unusually short or unusually small or the unusual frame, but you're basically the ordinary height, the ordinary weight, the ordinary size, the poor kids around the world can play it because you can play it by yourself in terms of just sitting around playing around the soccer ball.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can play it with a group.

[SPEAKER_01]: All you need is something that even works like a soccer ball.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's why you get people to use tennis balls and cans and whatever it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: actually and so it's such a much more engaging globally engaging sport and then you have the entire sort of the nature of nationalism proud nationalism unique distinct aspects of a particular culture on display for the world's

[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like the world's fair, but a lot better.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like how they imagine the UN being somehow.

[SPEAKER_01]: But this is actually functionally that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, people cheer for it people.

[SPEAKER_01]: They do the songs.

[SPEAKER_01]: They do their dances.

[SPEAKER_01]: They do their flags.

[SPEAKER_01]: They do their cultural icons.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they get to interact with one another in a fun competition.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not in a kinetic way.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not in a hostile way.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not in a who's going to steal somebody's wealth way.

[SPEAKER_01]: But just you know, who could be the best on display?

[SPEAKER_01]: Who can be a hero for their country?

[SPEAKER_01]: It is the biggest celebration of nationalism, even more so in my view than the Olympics is, because so much the Olympics are individual sports, not that it's about the individual, than the country, than the team, than the unity of the country, the unity of the team.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then have not been surprised that so many Europeans forgot the 94 World Cup, where they all loved it when they came.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they so much anti-American messaging.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even as we'll talk about coming from some of our own would-be members of Congress.

[SPEAKER_01]: The, uh, has sapted toward, they got here.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were shocked.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now in England, the whole thing is we demand ranch dressing.

[SPEAKER_01]: We demand ranch dressing.

[SPEAKER_01]: They must provide the, uh, the, uh, you know, the, a German man broke down crying, uh, over how extraordinary the, uh, his experience was.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I've heard it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was dangerous and scary and frightening and the hate is.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a bunch of wild eye, big it's there, just waiting to lynch us or to port us.

[SPEAKER_01]: Send us to an El Salvador and prison if we come.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, no, this is one of the best most hospitable, most friendly, most, they're shocked and how friendly everybody is.

[SPEAKER_01]: And how sociable everybody is.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think it's gone very, very well.

[SPEAKER_01]: The two bad the US got out a little bit early, but it was only relative.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like Germany that couldn't even make it to the round of 16 for the Third Strait World Cup tournament at the end of the week.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're Brazil, Brazil, you know, out again before the, uh, what's amazing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, every time Brazil goes out, that's almost a more brutal way by expected goals.

[SPEAKER_01]: They dominated the game.

[SPEAKER_01]: They did every time they get knocked out when they'd be, it would grow as you beat them, other teams would beat them.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Netherlands wants beat them.

[SPEAKER_01]: They've dominated statistically.

[SPEAKER_01]: It just didn't translate to the, to the finals.

[SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, those teams, those countries, those teams are really disappointed.

[SPEAKER_01]: The US got as far as everyone expected them a little bit further and a little bit better than they expected them to go.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I would have loved, you know, the dream miracle story that, you know, that would have been awesome out of it perfect, but still good performance and the country as a whole has been a very good host.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I completely agree with you on that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, the reality with it is whoever advanced from this game was going to get buzz sawed by Spain in the next round anyways.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I, you know, people point towards corruption, whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, I thought it was a very savvy business decision to give United States every advantage they possibly could to advance.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's the fairness part of it, but at the same time, you know, do you want the host country population 400 million who's putting up record ratings on TV still being in it for one more round or not to really trash Belgium,

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, it's fun, and everybody knew it was wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: When the, at least 90% of people knew that that was an inexcusable red card.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I've never been a fan of the suspension rule anyway.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you get red carded, that takes you out for that, for that game.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's no need to suspend them for another game for that reason.

[SPEAKER_01]: I get cumulative yellow cards, so somebody keeps fouling all the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I would have that be three consecutive games, not two consecutive games.

[SPEAKER_01]: You elevate the consequence of the official.

[SPEAKER_01]: And when you elevate the consequence of the official, you increase the risk of corruption.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what they did was correct this, they corrected it in justice.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I never complained about correcting it in justice.

[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely not, that's why you are one of the best lawyers in the country.

[SPEAKER_00]: But so to the actual, the actual subject of today I didn't even introduce woke up, I just had to talk about it with you because you're tweeting about it so much and I've been so absorbed in this.

[SPEAKER_00]: But briefly Mitch McConnell here, he's, I mean, it's, and I don't want to sound too ice cold about him.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's always a tragedy when someone's at the very end.

[SPEAKER_00]: But this presents a pretty interesting opportunity.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not I'm kind of lukewarm about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't mind seeing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know if it'll do it So what do you think what do you think?

[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think's gonna happen in Kentucky here in the next couple of months because they're gonna have to replace McConnell at some point

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, theoretically, I think under Kentucky Law, if they get to August 9th or somewhere in August, early August, then they don't have to held a special election to replace it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I suspect that's what's going on.

[SPEAKER_01]: There are multiple reports from a range of independent journalists, but journalists, not commentators, who have said that their information tells them that McConnell has already passed away, that he's brain dead.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it aligns with his wife taking it on you like if he was still alive, wouldn't his wife be there with him?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's not.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's gone to China, rushed to China.

[SPEAKER_01]: She has family, of course, in China, prominent family members in China.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it makes you think,

[SPEAKER_01]: She knew it was about what had happened that he was already dead.

[SPEAKER_01]: She went over there to take care of certain other political issues and financial business issues.

[SPEAKER_01]: She went to go on if he was still alive.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I think they're going to delay it until it'll be the last gas of the McConnell machine to keep for the world to not know.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's passed away until Thomas Massey and others can't run for his short term sentencing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Does that suit us up?

[SPEAKER_01]: But that primary has already been determined this would be a special election to fill it for the last three months or actually last five months of his term.

[SPEAKER_01]: And there's no way they want the two centers from Kentucky to be Rand Paul Thomas Massey.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think they're going to lie their way through and get it past the August deadline.

[SPEAKER_01]: If they don't, I think why not for Massey.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a short, it's a short bid.

[SPEAKER_01]: You'll be one of the most prominent names in the state.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a hardcore base that loves them.

[SPEAKER_01]: And in a multi, you know, candidate race, four or five candidate race, he could easily win.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, yeah, sure he's always headed for five months, instead of a house representative, but he could have a lot of fun in the U.S. Senate for five months.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the, and then he's set up to either run for governor later the year.

[SPEAKER_01]: He also by running for the Senate.

[SPEAKER_01]: He would be doesn't win, he'll get a sense of where his standing is throughout the state, in case he wants to pursue the governorship, because the governorship, that primary election is May 2027, general election November 2027.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's coming right up, and he was already considering that before he knew what the outcome of the House race was going to be, he was considering running for governor of the state, because then he could put a sort of stronger impromature on his policy ideals.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the running of the Senate, even if you don't win, it tells them, here's where I'm strong, here's where I'm weak, and what parts of the state, you know, geographically, you know, because Kentucky's a very divided state.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have the Appalachian reason.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have Louisville and Lexington and horse country, kind of in the middle.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then it's parallels Tennessee a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then Western Kentucky, which was the historical ancestral democratic populist part of the state.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's now been swinging heavily towards the Republican areas.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, how well does he do in Southern Appalachia, which is right to the south of his district?

[SPEAKER_01]: How does he do in the urban areas in Lexington and Louisville?

[SPEAKER_01]: The in Frankfurt.

[SPEAKER_01]: How does he do in sort of horse country?

[SPEAKER_01]: And how does he do in old school populist western Kentucky?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think all of those things would be very interesting for him to know.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'd be all in favor of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's why they'll do everything possible to hide the fact.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like they did about Woodrow Wilson.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was, you know, defunct.

[SPEAKER_01]: The last six...

[SPEAKER_01]: months.

[SPEAKER_01]: His wife was running the White House the last six months.

[SPEAKER_01]: They'll likely do everything possible.

[SPEAKER_01]: It would be apropos that the last cry of the Mitch McConnell political machine is to deny people the Democratic opportunity to replace him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, hey, well put, well put.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Ram Paul is at a bowling green.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he's in that populist region.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's a very good litmus for for larger office for him.

[SPEAKER_00]: And plus like, I mean,

[SPEAKER_00]: to spend so much gas he has left in the tank.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he may be pretty burned out and beat down from that brutal primary, but, you know, get back out there and stick it to a one more time and see what they're up to.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, he's he's been more red-pilled by the primary than black-pilled by the primary.

[SPEAKER_01]: The surge of national interest in his campaign, the massive, you know, Ron Paul style money bomb success that no congressman, I don't think any congressman has ever raised money from as many people.

[SPEAKER_01]: as he did.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a guy who's been in the race more money, but not from as many people as he did.

[SPEAKER_01]: He'd known Bernie Sanders' tight machine just on the libertarian populist right.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so he's trying to figure out what to do next with it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know he's talking to Marjorie Taylor, the green and Tucker Carlson about what about an independent option, what about a third party option, well, you know, how do we build an independent movement?

[SPEAKER_01]: If the two parties are closing the door to a populist movement, how do, and we saw examples

[SPEAKER_01]: The then then how do we you know make change in reform and historically in the United States third parties are the way to get the two parties to change you either Replace them like Jackson's Democratic part first did and then what you could argue Jefferson kind of did with his party

[SPEAKER_01]: But then definitely Jackson and then again, Lincoln, or you change the two parties co-op to your agenda because you prove the success of it in the political marketplace.

[SPEAKER_01]: Whether that's the greenbacker and populist ideas of the late 19th century, the progressive movement and the socialist UGV devs in the 19 teens, kind of previewed where FDR would later go with a new deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was talking about the strong thermond and Henry Wallace showing some fractures in the building the inscipient civil rights movement, but also the war skeptical cold war skeptical movement.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, then George Corley Wallace in 1968 for casting and foreshadowing where the popular right would go a generation later.

[SPEAKER_01]: the Ross Pro in 1992 and again in 1996 documenting the countries on the happiness with the doopoli and their direction Ralph Nader in 2000.

[SPEAKER_01]: They took great lengths to keep keep off the ballot of four.

[SPEAKER_01]: And of course Robert Kennedy in 2024.

[SPEAKER_01]: There is no secretary Kennedy and there is no maha much for Kennedy doing independent third party candidates.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think Macy seriously considering that

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I'm right there with you, and I thought the last time around, I worked for Kennedy is one of the senior advisors and thought that, uh,

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a major motivation for me was like, this was the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody liked people we had already voted Trump out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody wanted the return of Kamala Harris or anybody from the Democratic Party.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this was the moment in which you could get a third party.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I was wrong.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's even more so now.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that people are grasping at straws.

[SPEAKER_00]: This kind of brings us into the next portion of this, which is, I mean, it's a very interesting political evolution that's going on.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess on the left, if you will.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't help but take a look at it and see there's all kinds of cross currents here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mitch McConnell, you know, and once again, not to speak ill of someone who's in very poor health, but he represents a lot of what's wrong with the political system right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: He is an octogenarian who is out of touch with the currents of the younger people.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you also have a guy in the White House right now who ran on a hardcore populist message two times the two really three times But the two times you won very very much so he had to go like to the bone on this stuff I'm in order to drown out a guy like Kennedy And also to get his message back on track from 2016, but it's um

[SPEAKER_00]: You have the rise of both the DSA, Democratic Socialists of America, and certain progressive candidates across the board, but the thing that underpins the mall is, A, they've stolen the message and B, they're younger, they're more in touch with, you know, the millennial demographic, if you will, which is ascended right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: One thing on a pull out for you is a quote that was in the hill.

[SPEAKER_00]: It said the median age of the DSA is 33, three quarters are millennials or Gen Z.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're 85% white, 80% whole college degrees, a 35% whole graduate or professional degrees, which is way above.

[SPEAKER_00]: the average on that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so what do you, and it's, and they're, they're, one last thing is they're really tapping into this Trump message where the, the elites and the state are doing them wrong.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and it's different verbage, but, um, how do you see this playing out?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to get into a couple different election scenarios that are going on right now in a second.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean, what you're seeing is a divergence George Gamin was talking about this the other day with Adam Taggart that this is true across the Western world, across Europe, across the North America, and across Latin America.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where you're seeing a bifurcated division.

[SPEAKER_01]: And fundamentally, it's the center left and center right parties of the West have failed in the post-Cold War era.

[SPEAKER_01]: They failed to deliver economic security.

[SPEAKER_01]: They failed to deliver cultural consistency.

[SPEAKER_01]: They failed to deliver institutional remedy, and consequently, they just keep dragging us into stupid and dumb and counterproductive wars in kinetic conflict.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're continued to concentrate power and dismissive elite oligarchies.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're controlled fundamentally and functionally by the A donor class oligarchy.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so you aggregate those together and it's left people disappointed, whether they're a Germany, France, Italy, Spain, UK, and I would note in particular that the UK and the US tend to track each other very closely.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, in the 1920s, you had the surge of the labor movement and the UK, they produced the labor party, same thing happened in the Democratic Party that produced the labor-oriented New Deal Democratic Party.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then after World War II, the Brits thanked Churchill by throwing them out.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then they did the same here.

[SPEAKER_01]: They thanked Truman and Roosevelt, Robes Roosevelt, then passed away, by throwing them out of the house and the Senate in 1946.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then you get to the 1960s and early 70s, and you get people like Harold Wilson in the UK, they're a lot like the technocratic democratic party of Jimmy Carter.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then you get into the 80s, and you know, 1979, Margaret Thatcher's win in the UK, Prestige's Ronald Reagan's rise in America in 1980, then you get John Major in the UK that's almost identical to Poppy Bush, and around the same time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then you get Tony Blair in the UK, almost identical to Bill Clinton here in the states.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then you get people like David Cameron, who's a lot like Paul Ryan's.

[SPEAKER_01]: House of Representatives between the UK and the U.S.

[SPEAKER_01]: They need to get Brexit 2015 that told everybody Trump was coming in 2016.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, but what's going to happen now?

[SPEAKER_01]: The next time the UK has elections, all three of their institutional parties that have dominated for more than a century are likely to all be gone.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they may be lucky to have a few seats left.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what you're seeing is the dispute is between the populist left and the status left.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the populist right and the status right.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have the reform and restore parties fighting each other on the right, and you're going to have the greens and the liberal Democrats fighting each other on the left.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the broader context is the, whether you look at Latin America, Central America, or the rest of Europe, is between, I say it two levels.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have one level which is populist left versus populist right.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like think Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn of the, of the UK, and on the right, you know, the,

[SPEAKER_01]: Trump, the candidate, or Le Pen in France, Le Pen versus Melanchon, you know, those are your sort of populist left versus populist right.

[SPEAKER_01]: But both of them are infiltrated or have as an alternative, the authoritarian right, and the authoritarian left.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you see that growing even, you know, little parts of the right, you know, your Nick Flint days, types of, you know, some of those types of people, really flirt with more of an authoritarian right than a libertarian right.

[SPEAKER_01]: And on the authoritarian left here in the United States, it's the DSA, the Democratic Socialist of America, really represent more of the authoritarian left than the populist left.

[SPEAKER_01]: They can't pay him as the populist left.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think Lombani's maybe a little closer to the populist left than he is the authoritarian left.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see how he governs.

[SPEAKER_01]: But they're mostly using the issue of Israel to surge and beat these long-term incumbents who let it to New York City or Colorado.

[SPEAKER_01]: but the, but you see the weakness in the, what happened with Graham, platinum.

[SPEAKER_01]: Here's a guy who's much closer to the populist left than the authoritarian left.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's served in the army served in the military.

[SPEAKER_01]: The, I don't know if it was the army, but he served in the military.

[SPEAKER_01]: Army, uh, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he runs a smart populist left campaign in a state that's aching for it like Maine, particularly northern, uh, particularly part of Maine outside of Portland.

[SPEAKER_01]: and the Democratic institutionless wouldn't let him stay.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the Democratic Socialist types abandoned him quickly because they're so committed to the me too, cultural movement.

[SPEAKER_01]: And somebody comes up with a very sketchy allegation, very belated allegation, even in myths that basically they had an ongoing relationship and she just didn't clearly scream no, no, no, no, over and over again.

[SPEAKER_01]: The situation where she said, yeah, she portrays it as he could have thought it was completely conceptual.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's how she portrays it.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's how she's portraying it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this again, very late in the game coming in right on the eve of this, where they couldn't defeat him at the ballot box, so now they're going to defeat him at the media box.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, it looks like he's going to whistle out and run for cover because it shows the weakness on that side that they know we must it's the or it's what you'd like the Orwellian critic.

[SPEAKER_01]: We must still be committed to the state, to the me two culture, to the me BLM movement, whatever the movement is of identity and politics, there's still attached to it so much.

[SPEAKER_01]: They will sabotage their chance to win the Senate and undermine a left populist candidate that was one of the better ones.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it comes across as credible, an actual working class guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, like, awesome, who's doing the rhetoric well.

[SPEAKER_01]: But everybody looks at that guy, he's Barack Obama, but white.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's just total, you know, there's nothing real and authentic about that guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Reads from a script, same with Talorico in Texas.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the message is effective.

[SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me, 1776 Law Center tested these messages on these kind of issues.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if they take the popular side, they can really dominate and succeed.

[SPEAKER_01]: If they take the authoritarian side, they will, they will, they, I think the Democratic Party is one chance.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the Republican Party had.

[SPEAKER_01]: Republican Party has until the end of this year to reverse course.

[SPEAKER_01]: Or for ants to somehow become present before 2028.

[SPEAKER_01]: And reverse course.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I think, or they're on the clock for after 2028 to deliver.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if neither party delivers at a meaningful manner, I think the country's done with it.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have a more, you know, but what you're seeing in democratic socialist, what you're seeing in these democratic left populous candidates, is a desire to, as Richard Barris' book that's coming out,

[SPEAKER_01]: burn it all down, and particularly amongst millennials and gen and zoomers, they just want to burn.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they don't care who gives them the torch.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what we have to be aware of.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's what we've been arguing about with friends on the right politically in the White House.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you don't do this, this is what you're, if you stray from your 2024 campaign promises, the result will be that the populist left or worse, the hardcore left authoritarian left will see his power.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, and I think you hit the nail on the head right there.

[SPEAKER_00]: And with the guy like Platner, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Is there's a lot of, I guess, a conjecture is probably the best term.

[SPEAKER_00]: Whether it's a blue collar or not, it's like not okay, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he's a guy who he did multiple tours in the Marine Corps and the Army overseas.

[SPEAKER_00]: He got his education in the GI Bill.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's been working as an oyster farmer.

[SPEAKER_00]: So however you cut it, the guy has earned his stripes to talk about particularly, I think, the most important issue, which is war.

[SPEAKER_00]: from a standpoint that he has been the pointy tip of the spear.

[SPEAKER_00]: He has studied at the university level.

[SPEAKER_00]: He knows what's going on.

[SPEAKER_00]: And exactly what you're saying is they are so attached to the emotional, you know, I guess, nouveau chic type of issue set within the Democrat party.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was just waiting for them to tip their hand on that, because if you go back to a guy like Eugene Debbs, like the original Democrat Socialist, he's very anti-war,

[SPEAKER_00]: very much about the workers controlling the party, not about this periphery woke nonsense.

[SPEAKER_00]: And right now we're sitting in a situation where depending where you look, it's between 285 and 400 to one in terms of the ratio between what it CEO makes in the average worker and people are really crying out for this stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the fact they've tipped their hand on this, I think shows that they're not exactly populist.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the floor, there are two floors, and one is inherent.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the arguments I've made against the variants of left populism, other than the Huey long versions, that if the degree to which you have stayed intrusion and statement apally, it's always like the debate between the Marxists and the anarchists on the left going back to when Marx was alive.

[SPEAKER_01]: The more you resort to authoritarianism and statism, the more you undermine any objective of populism and the in this that problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the other problem is that these are cultural elites.

[SPEAKER_01]: As the Orwell famously said, I have no problem with socialism if you could just get rid of the socialist.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that was brilliantly articulated, or else critique is still so precious today.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that you have a lot of these college educated young voters who are so eager to jump on some puritanical cause, like the me two cause, like the BLM cause, these missionary type causes that Evan Phillips documents the the Yankee elite has always been obsessed with.

[SPEAKER_01]: They wanted to do fixing their problems at home, but they loved fixing them for others outside of hosts.

[SPEAKER_01]: reject their moral superiority on the rest of us.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so the, and the, the platter's races, this is the latest one to expose that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have deep doubts.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even Rokana, and I get it, you know, the, but, you know, kind of wants to run as a left populous, but he abandoned platter right as soon as there's an allegation.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right, it's like we must believe all women come on.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is garbage.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have to believe anybody.

[SPEAKER_01]: We test them up.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's no special immunity by the nature of the accusation or the person or the gender of the person giving it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's really a form of chauvinism to suggest that.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a different form of white nighty.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the other feminists are very critical of that and a whole bunch of other contexts, but not in the me too movement.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then we've all got a white night.

[SPEAKER_01]: The I told my daughter years ago if a guy tells you he's a feminist run away run away Okay, that'd be a creepy stalker week lunatic.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's always gonna be something you're wrong with those people Just just reality wise the and see yourself is you know identifies on the left But it turned out to be very useful warning is years of live

[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think given that, that's going to be the problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's why fundamentally, don't see how the Democratic Party can provide solutions.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think they can win elections in the near short term because it's the only viable option for people to vote their unhappiness and dissatisfaction with the system that's not delivering for them.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look at what Caroline Levitt said.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that you couldn't be more out of touch.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she marries a sugar daddy who's like 30 years older than her.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's never had a real job in her life.

[SPEAKER_01]: The, uh, she had to tell him about real job.

[SPEAKER_01]: What real job of you had, honey.

[SPEAKER_01]: The, uh, and she's out there lecturing the Zoomers and saying you're just a bunch of lazy bombs and we should send you to a stupid war someplace.

[SPEAKER_01]: She, uh, be, be, you're gonna complain again.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And some of us have, and, and by the way, various people have told the administration, this was a disaster.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the message back from the administration was shut your mouths.

[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, well, where, what world are you even believing?

[SPEAKER_01]: So, between that kind of mindset

[SPEAKER_01]: And that kind of mindset on the establishment left, plus the authoritarianism on parts of the right, and creeping of authoritarianism on large parts of the left, I don't see the institutional parties being effective vehicles to deliver for the American people.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's just on the clock before a third party replaces one of the existing parties.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the path that they were on, and we're battling for who's gonna go down on the Titanic politically over the next half decade.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and smart stuff and also probably a good time to pump, we're gonna have Tucker Carlson here on August 5th to talk exactly about that right there and I am pumped for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is going to be awesome.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're if you're new to this channel, it that like button gives you not going to miss it, but so you bring up a very interesting point about some.

[SPEAKER_00]: The authoritarian left, and you mentioned Paxton's race, and this is one that has fascinated me because it gets into the maga movement itself where it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you have, I've worked primaries, and you get a very special type of voter who comes out.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's the person who is the most committed to,

[SPEAKER_00]: you know, whatever the ideal is being presented at the time, um, and it's not representative the general at all, you usually go very hard in one direction in the primary and then you got to balance yourself out against the candidate later.

[SPEAKER_00]: So in Texas, we get Paxton, um, and he's running against Telereco, who you mentioned, and

[SPEAKER_00]: My personal opinion about Tala Rico is that he is just some milk toast want to be progressive.

[SPEAKER_00]: He could not, unfortunately, and excuse me for saying this in advance, but he couldn't carry the water if they do a work, and that's has a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: And a work almost beat Ted Cruz, but if you look at, though, we've got some recent polling here, I believe.

[SPEAKER_00]: Depending on where you look, Tala Rico is up.

[SPEAKER_00]: on Ken Paxon and Ken Paxon is the anointed one by one Donald Trump in this race and man is he flawed who there is so much there so what do you think the Achilles heel of of a guy like Paxon is other than the fact that he is completely hitcheswagon to Trump who's not very popular right now

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the so on paper, Paxon was the ideal candidate because he has Mahah credibility and mega legitimacy.

[SPEAKER_01]: If Trump had stuck with his 2024 promises, then Paxon would be in good position.

[SPEAKER_01]: Even though, as you know, Talarico fits in general what the elites in the West have looked for since Obama, which is, they got it in Macron, they got it in Trudeau,

[SPEAKER_01]: uh... candidate to present sort of a nice veneer on their professional class uh... prejudices and preferences uh... but they learn the lingo uh... to campaign effectively but you suspect that they're in authentic and that they uh... under the surface there's nothing there uh... much like us off you know the and it much like uh... but it's the i have another nickname for about what's it here the uh... you know because he kept a plan by people

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I was, I was, I was booty booty gay gay, I was like that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,

[SPEAKER_01]: So, but he's very effective and very smooth and very charismatic and knows how to walk the balance and talk the talk.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that makes him an effective candidate, but he's only able to be in a position to be ahead of Paxon for two reasons.

[SPEAKER_01]: One of the Republican establishment, Love John Corden, John Corden was a complete corrupt act, his own career, a part of the last legacy of the Bush regime in Texas.

[SPEAKER_01]: which is now almost purged outside of the Texas House or representatives of the Bushites.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, but Corne has spent $150 million just bashing packs in all across the state.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the place where packs was vulnerable certain personal scandal related issues was Yuri Suburban Republican voter.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the, and so wasn't enough to win the primary, but it wasn't enough to leave packs and very wounded going into the general.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then on top of that, I mean Trump only endorsed packs, and when he saw that if he endorsed corn and corn, it was still loose.

[SPEAKER_01]: and he hated the idea of losing more than anything else, and thus he burned some bridges in the Senate by endorsing packs at the end where he could just stay out of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, what he should have done all these primaries, he's going to net negative in his endorsements, and only endorsing his establishment candidates, but attacking populist candidates.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he still sporadically does it like it's some sort of reward.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a reminder to that part of the base to despise you.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what that is.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just political stupidity on steroids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in urban suburban Texas away from the Republican brand, which had been the foundation of a large part of the Texas, you know, being more Republican than the rest of the country.

[SPEAKER_01]: Was a combination of urban suburban voters and rural voters, they were incessantly democratic shifting to the Republican brand.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the Hispanic vote had already started to shift toward Trump after Trump got in.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not in 2016 he got hit, but not as bad actually as Romney got hit in Hispanic West Texas.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the Democrats originally thought Texas would be competitive because they could add the suburban vote to the growing share of the Hispanic vote.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the problem was the growing share of the Hispanic vote didn't matter because the vote share within the Hispanic vote was shifting Republican.

[SPEAKER_01]: That shifted massively in 2024.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Trump almost split the Hispanic vote in Texas.

[SPEAKER_01]: One in Florida, almost split it nationwide.

[SPEAKER_01]: And to give people some context, the Hispanic vote had been trending plus 30 plus 40 plus 50 Democratic at different times in the decade before them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now the Hispanic vote is completely off the Trump train, not on board with anything that he's doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: They have a natural populist instinct, but a natural, because they disproportionately serve in the armed forces, a disproportionate dislike and distaste for foreign war.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so the consequence of that is that now the Hispanic vote, in fact, you look at primary vote turn out participation comparative rates.

[SPEAKER_01]: First time ever, Texas Democrats, or first time in like 40 years, that Texas Democrats outvoted Texas Republicans in the primary stage.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh wow.

[SPEAKER_01]: And itself was a huge warning sign.

[SPEAKER_01]: But if you dug down and drilled down and to where it was happening,

[SPEAKER_01]: It was areas with large Hispanic populations, large African-American populations, and young populations.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like there are some precincts you can identify because the largest known apartment complex is near universities or colleges that have an unusual high share of youth vote.

[SPEAKER_01]: and all of those precincts that to give people a sense of the scale of the shift, it was upwards of 50 points.

[SPEAKER_01]: In other words, you know, where Trump had won it by 25, he lost the three Republicans lost it by 25.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that kind of shift, you shift the Hispanic vote share of Texas back to a plus 40 plus 50 share, and you're under water now in Texas, if you're practicing.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think, according to the binominate, he would have lost badly.

[SPEAKER_01]: He would have lost by five to ten.

[SPEAKER_01]: Paxons in the game because a lot of rural Texans like him, a lot of working class Texans like him, a lot of maha Texans like him, because he got involved in cases like Mike K. So for Dr. Bowden against the Texas licensing boards trying to harass her for being honest about COVID, things like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: He has, he's got, he sued Pfizer over its COVID vaccine.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's taken, he was, he was the one who led the 2020 election effort to the US Supreme Court to try to challenge that election.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he's been from a policy perspective and a populous perspective, the best attorney general in the country.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that gives me an angle, but the electoral environment is bad, a bunch of money was spending against him.

[SPEAKER_01]: The party's likely to abandon him in the general election.

[SPEAKER_01]: Watch them spend no money on his behalf.

[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't get much, he's not well loved within the donor class writ large.

[SPEAKER_01]: And as you point out, he doesn't want to divorce himself from the Trump umbrella.

[SPEAKER_01]: Which is now he's shrinking umbrella and the and is actually at anchor rather than an elevator for his political prospects And he it like for example He doesn't want to criticize the war and rant doesn't want to criticize the Israel lobby I think that's where he is in angle because Talarico is such a fake such a phony such a fraud that the Israel lobby prefers him The Miriam Able sin was one of his first biggest contributors

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is an opportunity for him to break through that younger populist group that leans democratic and say I'm the only candidate willing to be skeptical and critical not in the pocket of a pack.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think he will and if he does it, if he's not willing to challenge a pack at some point during the general election.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then my prediction is that he actually does lose the Senate race because I think it's going to be a bad electoral environment Florida's even going to be close And it's such a nightmare to imagine that prick vinnman being in the U.S. Senate You know, I don't even like to think about it But he's going to have a shot at it because the same thing that's happening in his panic West Texas is happening in Puerto Rican and Cuban in Colombian Venezuela Populations in Florida

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I'm watching the Florida race pretty closely here.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Byron Donald is not doing very well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fishback is, I saw a poll.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know, it's so hard to gauge these.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can hire any polling agency to tell you basically whatever you want.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to earn their buck from you from an internal campaign perspective.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's primary polling is notoriously horrible.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because you're trying to guess who's going to vote out even much more so than how people would vote.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like if Massey, if everybody in there that was a registered Republican, had voted, he wins easily.

[SPEAKER_01]: If the independence were allowed to vote in Kentucky, he wins easily.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: If just a little bit greater share of the vote was under 50, he wins easily.

[SPEAKER_01]: But because you're trying to guess who's going to vote, and it's so hard, like primary polling is the hardest thing in the world to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's another reason to be skeptical of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, presidential primary polling is pretty good, but that's because everybody's paying attention.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the participation rate is so much higher.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now I like most South Carolina voters, I saw the polls, did not know that Lindsey Graham was a very pro-war.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's how bad it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you had people who were, it's strong approvals of Charlie Kerr, of Alex Jones, of Candidates Owens, of Tucker Carlson, voting for Lindsey Graham?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because they didn't know the contradiction, because of me local media doesn't cover it.

[SPEAKER_01]: The national media doesn't agree they do, it's only the cheerleaders that are watching that national media.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so it makes it really, I mean, our functioning

[SPEAKER_01]: uh... republic is weakening because the donor class has such captured control over what voters know and think they know about candidates and then you see that with uh... i mean don't by the way people don't notice but has as all if you think grand platinum has scandals

[SPEAKER_01]: they don't compare at all to the barren Donald scandals that are in those closets and he's better in me let's just got the donor class backing the country the rest of the state country doesn't know about it but the democratic party knows about it and so good luck trying to keep a lid on that come general election time

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and one final comment about Platner, it's a general type of opinion I have, where anytime they go after somebody on personal issues, as opposed to the issues they're running on, a big red flag goes up, say, why are you doing this?

[SPEAKER_00]: But in an individual like Susan Collins definitely needs to be replaced.

[SPEAKER_00]: She has not been in an effective Republican conservative.

[SPEAKER_00]: Where do you want to call it?

[SPEAKER_00]: She is just, you know, she is a part of the establishment class that needs to be replaced by somebody.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope he stays in regardless of what this candle.

[SPEAKER_00]: But so one final thought here, as we're getting up on time, where do you see the overall, I mean, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you,

[SPEAKER_00]: You map out how things are going to basically drop off there.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like we're having the swan song.

[SPEAKER_00]: These people, unless both parties get on board in terms of representing the will of the people here at some point.

[SPEAKER_00]: What do you see happening in the fall has your perspective changed all that's going to be a bit of a blowout on the Democrat side or is there some kind of recovery that the Republicans can do?

[SPEAKER_01]: If advance can get the Iran deal to hold, and it's specific if he could get it translated into a concrete long-term solution, then I think his efforts alone can mitigate the losses.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he can reverse the losses, but I think he can mitigate the losses.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if the AI bubble doesn't pop before then, and if the economic ramifications for a range of independent reasons, whether it's demand destruction, whether it's China doing its own thing, whether it's the Saudis doing their own thing, keeps the economic ramifications from rippling into the US economy, prior to the midterms.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then I think he loses the house in the Senate, but not disastrously.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the margins are like 10, 15, in it, put the democrat.

[SPEAKER_01]: 10 if you know the my body naturally objects to that the but the and then the or like say 51 52 Democratic seats in the Senate that's a very manageable situation not a good situation for Trump But manageable when it's like plus 20 plus 30 plus 40 democratic house seats then you're going to get nothing done except investigations and impeachments and when it's like 54 55 56 Democratic Senate seats You're at risk of removal

[SPEAKER_01]: particularly as the corruption scandal start to become known and about Trump to most Republicans and even independence don't know about them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Only sort of Democrats have some level awareness because their media covers it extensively, but they don't know the problems on that.

[SPEAKER_01]: There goes shock people, just how much Trump has done pay for play, schemes and scams has manipulated the markets for his own personal profit, his family's profit, his friends' profit.

[SPEAKER_01]: at a rate that's never been done or even thought about in the history of the United States.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, basically Biden is a street-level drug dealer and Trump's showing you how you run a drug cartel when it comes to corrupt.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so, for those reasons, there wasn't enough of a reversal.

[SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't enough of a consistent reversal, enough of a consistent course correction to get the 2024 coalition back by 2026, which is going to be vulnerable anyway, because a lot of low-prepensity voters that put Trump over the top,

[SPEAKER_01]: And so I, and then, you know, taking out Massey was probably a red line for a lot of libertarian leaning conservatives.

[SPEAKER_01]: The anti-work poor part of his base is still very unhappy and dissatisfied.

[SPEAKER_01]: The clean up the corruption in deep six, the deep state, and drain the swamp part of his base is mostly dissatisfied.

[SPEAKER_01]: You see that in the FBI whistleblowers.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're kind of an effective proxy to see what that voter constituency is thinking.

[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, instead we're busy framing black autistic kids for the to cover up for the CIA's role in the J.J. in January 6.

[SPEAKER_01]: including the claim of the pipe pops, so all of that combined, I have a hard time seeing the Republicans hold the house or the Senate.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know that they're projected to get close to holding the house and currently projected to hold the Senate.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think both of those misstate historically whenever you have one of four factors present either a major economic problem in cost of living or employment and our labor force participatory participation rate, especially amongst Trump voters.

[SPEAKER_01]: The unemployment rate is only low because they've just dropped out and quit even trying.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then you look at the cost of living, that's only going to get worse than all likelihood over the next six months rather than better.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then it's having a major scandal.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Epstein scandal, other than the corruption scandals, which are not fully known yet.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Epstein scandal is one of the biggest scandals in American political history and that sits on Trump's shoulders.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then getting involved in a war, particularly the most unpopular war from beginning to end in the American history.

[SPEAKER_01]: that you put those three factors together and then you have some sense of betrayal by some part of your voter base.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's got all four.

[SPEAKER_01]: When you only have one of those four present, you usually lose the house and send it.

[SPEAKER_01]: When you have two of the four present, then you usually lose badly in the house and send it.

[SPEAKER_01]: No present in American history has got all four.

[SPEAKER_01]: The closest be the Republican party in 1974, but they had already removed Nixon by that point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Already had a replacement.

[SPEAKER_01]: Already had some

[SPEAKER_01]: It was out of Vietnam, which he inherited, rather than started.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Vietnam wasn't blamed for the economic woes because it was more the oil embargo, 1973 after Israel's actions.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't even, and it was a wipeout for the, for the, for the, for the,

[SPEAKER_01]: Republican Party.

[SPEAKER_01]: So everything projects to a Republican wipeout still, but it might be the only way it's mitigated is if JD Vance doesn't have his piece deal rug pulled, but Trump every other day thinks about rug pulling it because he can't handle criticism from Fox, can't handle criticism from the Lindsey Graham's in the world, can't handle criticism for the lunatic Mark Levin's in the world.

[SPEAKER_01]: And cares more about them and his donor base than he does, his voter base.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if he does something disastrous, goes back in to kinetic conflict in a ran, or something like that, then it will be a complete wipeout.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right now I would say it's in, I'd say it's 50, 50, whether it's a wipeout or just lose the house in the Senate, but not get crushed, because only because of Vance's extraordinary work behind the scenes to try to get a peace deal in this whole process.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, we'll put.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm right there with you.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's going to be an L just a matter of how bad that L is and that's going to determine a lot of what happens in this couple years going to 28.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the soccer analogy is do you lose one nothing or do you learn into one and the in a 50 50 which way it's going to go.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, who boy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, hey Robert we are out of time here today, but I truly appreciate you coming by again Anything that you want to give a bump on the way out the door and you got that 1776 convention coming up The gym will be there Daniel Davis will be there Alexander McCorris and Alex Christopher will come in from London in Cyprus to be there The Joe Kent is gonna try to make it judge the Palatmos.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna try to make it

[SPEAKER_01]: the Chase Hughes who's just on with Joe Rogan about C.I.A.

[SPEAKER_01]: Siops.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be there.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he, your Richard Barris, the pollster's going to be there.

[SPEAKER_01]: So 1776 Law Center dot com.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've only got about 20 tickets left because it's a captive at the August 1st, August 2nd, Chedna Get Tennessee.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the one of the best value conferences of people who generally aren't together for any conference.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: including people coming in from overseas for this to talk about issues of the of war of governmental institutional reform third party challenges and for all the issues Dr.

[SPEAKER_01]: Bound is going to be there brook jacks and the vice of whistleblower is going to be there state representatives on the maha gender going to be there leading advocates for the maha alliance are going to be there about protecting food freedom political freedom financial freedom medical freedom in a wide range of context in cases that that law centers the leading organization supporting

[SPEAKER_01]: And you can find Jim in his family's patriotic uniform right on the front of front page.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm working on getting that framed put behind me.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is a heck of a rendition.

[SPEAKER_00]: Robert, truly appreciate it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Can't wait to see you in a couple weeks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks again for coming by.

[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, thanks Jim.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, have a good one.

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