True Crime Time For August 28, 2026 | The Scalp Hunter Dies, 45-Year-Old Cold Case Solved & Kohberger Wants Another Chance
On today’s episode of True Crime Time For, Woody opens with updates on Justice for Hailey and What Happened to Madison. Hailey’s case remains under review, while Woody says the Madison investigation is still moving forward and asks listeners to continue sending information to 313-RLRC-TIP.
For On This Day in Crime, Woody remembers Emmett Till, the 14-year-old Black teenager who was brutally murdered in Mississippi in 1955. Roy Bryant and J. W. Milam were charged with the murder, acquitted by an all-white jury, and later publicly admitted killing Till. Woody reflects on the racism surrounding the case and the importance of remembering that history.
Woody then turns to convicted British murderer John Sweeney, known as the “Scalp Hunter”, who died in prison without ever answering whether he had additional victims. Sweeney was serving a whole-life sentence for the murders of former girlfriends Melissa Halstead and Paula Fields, whose dismembered remains were found years apart in canals in the Netherlands and England. Police also investigated him in connection with other missing women. His former girlfriend Delia Balmer survived a violent axe attack by Sweeney and later wrote about her experience.
Next, Woody covers the murder of Star-Michael Tucker and the life sentence imposed on Charles Carson-Dowdy. Prosecutors said Tucker tried to end their relationship, after which Carson-Dowdy traveled from Alabama to Pensacola, broke into her apartment, waited for her, shot her repeatedly, and then ran over her body multiple times with her own vehicle.
In Family Matters, Woody heads to Indiana, where Adriana Velasquez is accused of intentionally driving her Honda into her husband as he left a divorce hearing on a motorcycle. Police say she struck and dragged him, then got out of the vehicle with a knife and stabbed him in the arm. She now faces attempted murder and additional charges.
Then it’s F’d Up Professionals. A Nebraska police captain and her partner are accused of leaving their two-year-old daughter alone inside a locked minivan while they went fishing. Another couple heard the child crying and called 911. The toddler was reportedly left inside for at least 28 minutes but was not injured.
Woody also covers an Indiana case involving Amy Fuller, who is accused of repeatedly striking a child in the head in a church parking lot after the child asked her for water. Witnesses told police the child was hit several times, and doctors later documented a large lump on the back of the child’s head.
Then comes one of the most satisfying stories of the episode: a 45-year-old cold case finally gets an answer.
Twenty-three-year-old Yolanda Herrera disappeared after leaving a bar in Universal City, Texas, in April 1981. Two days later, children walking to school discovered her body. Investigators preserved DNA evidence, but for decades they had no suspect.
Advances in forensic genetic genealogy eventually led investigators to Kelly Lee Brower Sr. in Arizona. Authorities say Brower’s DNA matched evidence from Herrera’s autopsy and that he subsequently confessed to the murder. Woody celebrates the detectives who refused to give up on the case—even though some of the investigators working it today were not yet born when Yolanda was killed.
Woody also discusses the massive Feeding Our Future pandemic-fraud investigation. The scheme involved federal money that was supposed to provide meals for children during the pandemic but was instead allegedly diverted through fake meal sites, fabricated records,
[SPEAKER_03]: Hello everybody, I'm welcome to Sepsut True Crime Time for Friday, August 28th, 206, and I'm Woody Overtime bringing you stories about all the crime that you can handle, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Hashtag.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just as for Haley, we're still waiting to hear back from the committee that is reviewing the case and has to have what happened in Madison, continue to call you tips 313, RLRC tip and like I promised you it's moving forward, we're waiting patiently.
[SPEAKER_03]: 14-year-old Emmett Till was on vacation in Chicago when he was kidnapped.
[SPEAKER_03]: Beaton, shot in the head, had a fan tie to his neck with Bob Wier, and then he was thrown into the river.
[SPEAKER_03]: The murder was reported to be committed because Till had allegedly whistled at a white woman while shopping.
[SPEAKER_03]: Roy Bryant and his half-brother J.W.
[SPEAKER_03]: Millum were charged with the murder, but quickly acquitted by a jury that was solely composed of white males.
[SPEAKER_03]: Bryant and Million later confessed to Tills' murder to a jargonless.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's like racism's bad, sucks, and in
[SPEAKER_03]: and unfortunately, let's part of history, let's not make a part of our future right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So let's get down this true cram time for August 28, 26.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, I believe if you are
[SPEAKER_03]: killer and he convicted of murdering people and they have more questions on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know there's a lot of killers that won't confess to all their crimes and they'll tell you about another guy that who they'd
[SPEAKER_03]: who they do not think is told the truth about everything and a killer convicted of murdering two women and dump her in their bodies and canals has died in prison without revealing whether he had more victims.
[SPEAKER_03]: John's 269, who called himself a scalp hunter, was given a whole life tiered at Obeyley in 2011, for the murders of former girlfriend's polyfields in Melissa House did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Their bodies were discovered a decade apart in England and the Netherlands and police suspected he had murdered other former partners who had not been seen for years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm pretty sure they're correct on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Scalp Hunter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Swiny is understood to die at HMP with more in Kimbershire on August the 14th and they said he died at Cancelsville.
[SPEAKER_03]: A prisoner's service spokesman said, these were horrific crimes and our thoughts were made with the victims and their loved ones, and as with all deaths and custody, the prison, and probation on Budsmen is investigating and it would be inappropriate to comment farther before the conclusion of its findings.
[SPEAKER_03]: In one picture showing a bloody axe, he called himself the scalp hunter.
[SPEAKER_03]: In addition to the two martyrs, he also attacked Della Balmer, who is the nurse, who was his girlfriend.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he attacked her with an axe all the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: But thankfully, a neighbor saw it and intervened and saved her until the law enforcement showed it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, Sweeney was questioned by police over the disappearance of three other former girlfriends, but was never charged with their killings.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dutch police also investigated claims that Sweeney boasted of killing two German men.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Miss Halstead, who started 3, a former model from the US, was killed in 1990, and her dismembered body was starting to take an Allen Rotterdam.
[SPEAKER_03]: She was identified 18 years later by DNA, although her hands in her head have never been found.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hotels, flooding in the region's canal, Camden, North London, in February 2001, so 10 years later, her head and hands and feet are still missing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ms. Ballmoreau, a memoir about her experience living with Swing, which was adapted into a television series called until I killed you by TV and 2024.
[SPEAKER_03]: In this series,
[SPEAKER_03]: evil exists, and you hear me say it all the time, and this is another example about evil exists.
[SPEAKER_03]: Y'all, and there is premeditation in there, then there's this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Alabama man will send us a life in prison and it connects with the murder of his girlfriend, and federal prosecutors said,
[SPEAKER_03]: He shot more than 10 times.
[SPEAKER_03]: He then ran her over outside of her floor department where he had been waiting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Charles Carson Dowdy killed Star Michael L. Tucker in Pensacola on January 2nd of 2025.
[SPEAKER_03]: After she tried to end the relationship, following multiple occasions involving him trying
[SPEAKER_03]: said my heart goes out to the victims, family members and friends who were robbed of Ms. Tucker's presence and their lives by the depraved access to this violent thug and this court in the U.S. Attorney John he can in April, Carson Dowdy, who started one, played guilty to cyber stalking, interstate domestic violence, murder through use of a
[SPEAKER_03]: all behind this killing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Carson Dow is released.
[SPEAKER_03]: She took her began in October 2024 when he lived in Mobile, Alabama, and she lived in Pensacola.
[SPEAKER_03]: She was the U.S. Air Force Reserveist.
[SPEAKER_03]: They said, during the day in relationship, Carson doubted you sell your telephones, the internet, and arrived sharing business to engage in a course of conduct with the intent to harass and intimidate the victim.
[SPEAKER_03]: A few months after the relationship began, Tucker was a visiting family for the holidays in December of 2024, when she and Carson doubted he had been arguing over text messages.
[SPEAKER_03]: while heading home to Florida, Tucker tried to break up with Carson Dowdy, via text on January 1, 2025.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he didn't like that too much in, they said in response, Carson Dowdy ordered an Uber ride and traveled to her principal apartment for a confrontation, so you higher
[SPEAKER_03]: he was armed with a handgun.
[SPEAKER_03]: The car's stality ultimately broke into Tucker's apartment and waited for her arrival.
[SPEAKER_03]: After she got home, when the Eden of the January 2nd, 2025, Carson Dality followed Tucker out of her apartment, aimed as gunned in her back and shot her.
[SPEAKER_03]: She fell down and Carson doubted shot her about 10 times at close range, you know, I didn't shoot her 11 times because it's not bullets.
[SPEAKER_03]: Following the shooting, Carson doubted he got in Tucker's car and repeatedly drove over her.
[SPEAKER_03]: ran her over, put her in reverse, ran her over again, put her in drive, ran her over again, you know, well, ultimately she naturally, she died as a result of this all the tag that's cheating and running over.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he drove off in Tucker's car and Carson Dowdy was later arrested in Spanish for Alabama.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a week and not less than the profound sadness caused by Tucker's murder, but thanks to the rest of prosecution by my office, it's cured a life sentence for Carson doubt is heinous crimes.
[SPEAKER_03]: We can guarantee that this criminal has been the rest of his pathetic life a lot behind bars where he belongs.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, there he goes, Carson doubty,
[SPEAKER_03]: then ran over a number of times, and I had the one case for the guy ran over his pregnant girlfriend three times, even maybe you can explain it, you can't explain it, you can't explain it, you haven't bullet holes in her anyway, you maybe you've got to go away for a number of once and I was nice to it, but not
[SPEAKER_03]: Shooter 11 times and then run over, run over, run over her again and again and again.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's time to family matters.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are y'all going to go out to Indiana in my daddy once told me in this room.
[SPEAKER_03]: maybe 1989, something like that, but before they had metal detectors in the courthouse, but he told me, I had to go in the court and he said, you need to walk across street by yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, why?
[SPEAKER_03]: I said because I was going through the borsepersedin.
[SPEAKER_03]: He said, the more of his classmates, that he graduated with from elementary law school, had been killed,
[SPEAKER_03]: walking into divorce proceedings with their clients or leaving the courtroom with divorce proceedings with their clients.
[SPEAKER_03]: They said, you didn't do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then people, you know, the motions are so high and divorce hearings and everything else.
[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes they can go their way and then they kill the lawyer and the significant other.
[SPEAKER_03]: But in the end of woman, leaving her divorce hearing,
[SPEAKER_03]: took Madison's her own hands and she accelerated her car and slammed into her a husband on his motorcycle before she dragged him across the parking lot to ran them over and I'm pretty sure the motorcycle was underneath the car.
[SPEAKER_03]: She just drugged and saw Adrianna Velasca's stands accused of attempted murder along with two counts each of aggravated
[SPEAKER_03]: According to the probable calls for us after they did, the incident occurred around 3 p.m. Monday in the parking lot of the Lake County Government Center in Crown Point and Northwest in the end of the front of God, narrow body.
[SPEAKER_03]: In a witness who knew Volesca said, he observed her driving erratically in her Honda.
[SPEAKER_03]: He told cops he saw her accelerate and directly aim at her ex on the motorcycle.
[SPEAKER_03]: When she hit him, he flew into the air.
[SPEAKER_03]: off his bite.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Velusca then crashed the car, which became immobilized right to badly damage.
[SPEAKER_03]: She exited the car but a knife in attacked him.
[SPEAKER_03]: She stabbed him in the left bicep before he disarmed her.
[SPEAKER_03]: This cords the cops.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then witnesses separated the two and both were taken to the hospital.
[SPEAKER_03]: The victim explained an interview with investigators at the hospital that the two had just attended a divorce hearing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was leaving on this motorcycle when he spotted Alaska as in her Honda.
[SPEAKER_03]: He said he didn't want to drop him from a harness, so he was just going to let her pass him by.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's when the cops say Blaskas suddenly accelerated and struck him, and the victim said he was dragged by the vehicle for a short period of time, but he, for he was able to free himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: In addition to the stab wound, he suffered a risk-brain along with several scrapes and cuts from being dragged by the vehicle, and he is so lucky to be alive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Naturally, they have a surveillance video from the parking lot, and
[SPEAKER_03]: It approved the witness to send the victims accounts as she accelerated and ran over a more purpose and then got out and stabbed him.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Velasca has declined to speak with the detectives.
[SPEAKER_03]: She used her right to remain silent and she's in the like county jail, what outbound.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there you have it.
[SPEAKER_03]: divorce hearings, deadly shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, more cops get killed, respond to the messy violence calls and all other calls combined every year, same thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Emotions are high, and people just don't think, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's time for family matters.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's time for F of professionals.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would do the stories about kids locked in cars and for the various reasons.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this one is,
[SPEAKER_03]: one of the dumbest that had heard in Nebraska, a police captain in her partner were sighted with child abuse after leaving their two-year-old daughter and their locked hot minivan, while they were in fishing.
[SPEAKER_03]: In another couple who were fishing the same late,
[SPEAKER_03]: found the girl inside the vehicle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, this couple was made McGuire and her partner Mary Tovison.
[SPEAKER_03]: Police said that McGuire is 54 and Tovison 49 were fishing at Pony Lake and Lincoln Nebraska on the afternoon of Sunday, August 23rd, when the other couple walked by their black minivan in the parking lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: The couple noticed that a young girl was crying and screaming in the vehicle.
[SPEAKER_03]: And once they realized that Tyler was alone in the live band, they did whatever once they did.
[SPEAKER_03]: They called 911 for help.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Lancaster County Sheriff's Department addressed the situation during the press conference on Monday, August 24th, and confirmed that McWire is a police captain with Lincoln Police Department, and she was off duty at the time of the incident.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lancaster County Sheriff Terry Wagner said the toddler was in the vehicle by herself for at least 28 minutes before the other couple spotted her.
[SPEAKER_03]: The outdoor temperature was 78 degrees Fahrenheit at the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Wagner noted that the interior of the vehicle can get extremely hot in a short period of time.
[SPEAKER_03]: McGuire took the girl out of the vehicle before deputies arrived at the scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: Police confirmed that the taller was on the injured and has since been given back to our parents.
[SPEAKER_03]: But while I took a preliminary rough test at scene, and it was determined that she had the blood alcohol content of 0.108, which is well above the legal limit for driving, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: But you're going out with your significant other and you're going fishing and you're in your 50, so you're getting...
[SPEAKER_03]: The two females who had the adoptive child, who's two years old, and what better babysitter in the world is there than your mini-man, just like our ass-in, we go fishing and drinking.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the investigation was launched into the matter, McGuire was placed on the lead, but for Guaranteau was some recited from misdemeanor Chalibus, but neither of them was arrested, so they just got tickets.
[SPEAKER_03]: They said, it's not currently clear whether McGuire, Tevison, had been a police or retain legal counsel in the Lancaster County Sheriff's Department, had no additional updates to share.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, thank God, the baby didn't die.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she's right back with them, if I guess they'll figure it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's time for family matters.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I can remember Miss Behave and some in public and my mom being frustrated or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: She would be like, oh, wait, if we can get home, I'll tell you that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or she might have popped me and wanted to twice once we got back in the vehicle, but you know, I can assure you.
[SPEAKER_03]: If she did, then I deserve it right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just didn't want to do it something shitty.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me tell you about this mother.
[SPEAKER_03]: and she didn't like my mama.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's 44-year-old in the end and woman is accused of repeatedly punching a child in the head in a church parking lot after the victim asked her for water.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she later told police that the child had been out of control and embarrassed in her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Amy Fuller of Warsaw was taken in the custody of the weekend in charge with one count each of felony domestic battery and felony neglect of the defendant.
[SPEAKER_03]: The investigation began when officers with the Warsaw Police Department respond to a call regarding a woman striking a child at the parking lot of the Hamilton Church of Christ at 12.45 p.m. on Saturday.
[SPEAKER_03]: When police arrived at that address, witnesses said the woman, who was later identified as fuller, had left the scene in a purple car with the victim in another child.
[SPEAKER_03]: Police stopped the vehicle traveling on the water street, and as officers approached, Fuller was on their cell phone telling someone, she was being pulled over and described the child as, out of control and not listening.
[SPEAKER_03]: Speaking to police, the victim said fuller only struck them one time on the lay.
[SPEAKER_03]: The child, who police said up here scared, had a visible handshaped well on their lay.
[SPEAKER_03]: But for witnesses when the church provided statements to police that told a different story.
[SPEAKER_03]: According to the witnesses, the child had repeatedly asked fuller for water, fuller respond it, I don't fucking care in the church parking lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fuller then dragged the child to the purple car where she punched them in the back of the head several times.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you hear the church parking lot get witnesses?
[SPEAKER_03]: Doctors examined the victim at Kimmore Hospital and they found a large lump on the back of the victim's head.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a kid y'all.
[SPEAKER_03]: When Fuller was questioned by police, she then had striking the child, but did say that the child had been embarrassed to be in front of people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and that's not a reason to punch your kid four times in a head front of God, and everybody in God's parking lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: and she was booked to the student county jail, she only had a bond of 750 bucks and she's out.
[SPEAKER_03]: So she faces up to eight and a half years of prison in a maximum of five and a ten thousand dollars.
[SPEAKER_03]: Steve it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I guess maybe the church sermon didn't do it for you, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Go outside and beat your kid and front everybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, what do we love?
[SPEAKER_03]: We love love love, soft and cold cases.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me play this for you.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, ma'am, thank you for that back here at home.
[SPEAKER_05]: A break in a 45-year-old cold case in a rest in the murder of a 23-year-old universal city woman.
[SPEAKER_05]: Elanda Herrera was killed back in 1981 and investigators had DNA, but no suspect.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now, new technology has led authorities to a rest of man that they say confessed.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's recited Tonya's Taylor Ward
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm standing here where 45 years ago, two children who were simply walking to school discovered Yolanda Herrera's body.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now thanks to new DNA and genealogy testing, the case has been solved.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a rewarding feeling to know that we never gave up on Yolanda.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yolanda Herrera was last seen leaving a bar in shirts on April 11, 1981.
[SPEAKER_04]: She didn't make it home.
[SPEAKER_04]: Her body discovered two days later in a green belt of aviation Boulevard in Universal City.
[SPEAKER_01]: Over the years, the case was regularly reviewed with no suspects being identified.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, DNA technology was advancing in the 2021 MLDNA profile was obtained, but there were no matches in the database.
[SPEAKER_04]: In 2021, genetic genealogy gave investigators their first real lead, a surname.
[SPEAKER_04]: With a very little amount of DNA left, investigators waited for technology to advance.
[SPEAKER_04]: Last year, genetic genealogy pointed investigators to Kelly Lee, Broward's DNA, was collected in Arizona and came back a match to DNA from her rarest autopsy.
[SPEAKER_01]: U.C.P.D.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the Texas Rangers then traveled to Conwood, Arizona, where they conducted interviews with Mr. Brower, where he subsequently confessed to the murder.
[SPEAKER_04]: Two detectives who spent years on the case, Corporal Caitlyn Brown since 2021, and Assistant Chief Steve Mahalske since 2009, notified her ravers family.
[SPEAKER_02]: I spoke to the family on Thursday when we got back in the town, and it was... it's just surreal.
[SPEAKER_02]: After 45 years to give him that, it's just a...
[SPEAKER_04]: that's a pride and enjoy that you can't describe DNA expert Gabriella Vargas says advancements and genetic genealogy are helping crack cases that have gone cold for decades.
[SPEAKER_08]: We have immense amount of people now that are doing this type of work and bringing justice to these victims and closure to these families.
[SPEAKER_04]: Broward will now be extradited from Arizona to Texas with the assistance of the Bear County Sheriff's Office.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm Taylor Wharton, be reporting.
[SPEAKER_04]: 40, 5 years, y'all, 45 years.
[UNKNOWN]: And I hope a number.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope I never work one of the set co right 45 years is forever, but the this one detective that's the only case since 2021 she can't be 30 years old so she wouldn't even born when this happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think God for advancements in DNA and for them getting him
[SPEAKER_03]: after murder, or good job, y'all.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, you know, people set up a different charitable organization to try to raise money and help people in a lot of his legit, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: But over a year, I found out some of them are not legit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, people take advantage of other people's good hearts and kindness.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've called a few of them over the years, you know, and there's something still get away with it, but this guy didn't, and let me tell you about him.
[SPEAKER_09]: Sending a very strong message.
[SPEAKER_09]: And then there's this latest announcement that the FBI adding this alleged COVID fraudster.
[SPEAKER_09]: I accused of wait for it, taking $5 million from kids meals programs,
[SPEAKER_09]: to the most wanted list.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is the FBI saying that this particular man fahad Muhammad Nurr has been on the run now since 2022 after allegedly laundering millions and taxpayer dollars meant to feed children, Jerry.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is the kind of announcement that JD Vance is looking to make clear that if you were out there, we will find you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's hope so.
[SPEAKER_06]: Again, because part of this is deterrence, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: One of the reasons fraud is so rampant, it's not just because of the scale of the money involved with health care, for example, in particular, but also because of the sense that people don't get picked up.
[SPEAKER_06]: They don't get caught.
[SPEAKER_06]: They, you know, there are these and many schemes have been going on for years.
[SPEAKER_06]: We at the Wall Street Journal have reported over many years, have a massive, massive Medicare fraud scheme.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that operated by
[SPEAKER_06]: thousands and thousands of people, which when for years and years and years without detection and then even when detected without really proper supervision and prosecution.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's important to get these people as they're not just to bring them to justice, but to send a rare signal to people who will commit these kind of fraud.
[SPEAKER_06]: We wanted a bit of it that you don't get away with it.
[SPEAKER_09]: Look at the case of Minnesota and what we learn there and then a bigger question becomes what sort of leaders and those who are in power knew this was going on and turned
[SPEAKER_03]: Y'all, this guy's name is Y'all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me give you some direct information on the case.
[SPEAKER_03]: A judge of Minnesota Senate's two men the president of Wednesday for running a massive pandemic for all to campaign.
[SPEAKER_03]: A mod, guitty was Senate's so over five years in prison in a deep-king mod was Senate's four and a half years.
[SPEAKER_03]: The prosecutors say the pair help run the fraudulent child nutrition site feeding our future, which claimed to be given food to thousands of children each day in a twin city area.
[SPEAKER_03]: The pair received $7.3 million in coveted relief funds, which were meant to help support the program.
[SPEAKER_03]: Instead, they used the money to buy a car and property, as well as share the cash full of another feedner feature employee.
[SPEAKER_03]: The judge also ordered the men to pay restitution in a mod to pay $2,242,000, some change and getty, $2,862,000, some change.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm pretty sure the government is not going to see that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Their sentence succumbs months after the mastermind behind the feeding or future scam, whose name was Amy Bach, was sentenced to nearly 42 years in prison back in May.
[SPEAKER_03]: Bach ran the feed in our future organization, it was convicted of orchestrating $250 million in pandemic really fraud.
[SPEAKER_03]: Prosecutes told the court the nonprofit function as a cash pipeline, rely on web of fake distribution sites, fabricated list of children, and kickbacks.
[SPEAKER_03]: during the sentence and bought to hold a federal court, I understand I failed.
[SPEAKER_03]: I failed the public, my family, and everyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is the sprawling investigation has led to the conviction of dozens of people, meaning from the state's large symbolic community.
[SPEAKER_03]: So y'all, I mean,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the pandemic didn't last that long, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: The shutdown and all that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I guess you get your sitting around all day and you got nothing to do, everybody's watching TikToks and stuff like that or like tiger king or whatever, your boredom.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then you got some people who are taking advantage of this and they got like $8 million.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to set up fake websites, fake distribution centers and all this and we're in that F is the the system of checks and balances at from the federal government and I understand the trying to do the right thing about peaking kids and getting it out there quick as I can, but you just give away $8 million and they impeded the kid.
[SPEAKER_03]: crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, all the stars bad guys guy Brian Cobbarder is almost a my top 10 shit less right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean he's just an evil piece of shit and my mind he got away with it because he didn't get the death penalty and he didn't have to say in court what he did.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean
[SPEAKER_03]: He admitted to to murdering them by reading a statement or whatever, but he didn't in any other plea bargain.
[SPEAKER_03]: He would have had it so well, how many times he stabbed him, why did it not a lot of what he didn't do that?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I told you, you wouldn't hear the end of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I told you stories about everything from him, you know, not like in the prison food, to say another prisoners would be in mean to him and all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well,
[SPEAKER_03]: Part of the plea bargain is the fact that, hey, I'm taking this plea because you won't seek the death penalty.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're saving the state out of here to God and then doubt about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But part of that plea bargain is, you take the death penalty off table.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to tell you what I did and I get no appeal.
[SPEAKER_03]: just can't, they, I mean, you signed it to save your life and you, therefore, you get no appeal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Mr. Kobar does think that applies to him.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_07]: Meantime, and I don't hold judge approving Brian Kobargers request.
[SPEAKER_07]: for a new attorney in his attempt at getting a new trial.
[SPEAKER_07]: This, after he previously played guilty to murdering four university of Idaho students back in 2022.
[SPEAKER_07]: Legal and political analyst Matt Cookshone's me now.
[SPEAKER_07]: Mahaki decided to get a lawyer, stop representing himself, but I don't know, regardless.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think this latest maneuver is going to fail.
[SPEAKER_07]: Do you agree?
[SPEAKER_10]: Todd, I do.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think this is a very bizarre change of events because when you look at the guilty play, this is how our justice system is set up.
[SPEAKER_10]: The judge looked at Brian Coberger.
[SPEAKER_10]: He asked if he understood that he was pleading guilty, that he was not made any false promises.
[SPEAKER_10]: Not only did Brian Coberger sign a written statement pleading guilty, he was an open court,
[SPEAKER_10]: So for him to now reverse course, it's going to be a very high bar for any court to say he had, for instance, ineffective assistance of counsel.
[SPEAKER_10]: Brian has going to have to go in there and say his counsel made some materially false claim that drove him to plead guilty and that's going to be a very hard sell.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's the legal.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's also the emotional, the extreme emotional.
[SPEAKER_07]: The sister of Kaylee can gov is writing on Facebook quote, for him this may be another legal filing for me.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's another day without my sister.
[SPEAKER_07]: And every time this case is dragged back into the spotlight because of another filing, another theory, or another attempt to rewrite history, families like mine are forced to relive the worst day of our lives.
[SPEAKER_07]: Mac, that says it perfectly.
[SPEAKER_10]: It really does, and it was gut-wrenching because many of the families that sat there during the trial were hoping that they would have an answer to why.
[SPEAKER_10]: Why did this happen?
[SPEAKER_10]: Why did their families have to endure such pain and brine co-burger not only pled guilty, but he decided not to make a statement and apology some sort of closure for families.
[SPEAKER_10]: So now to open up a wound and say,
[SPEAKER_10]: I had ineffective assistance to council.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm not guilty when let me just say the court gave him the greatest gift.
[SPEAKER_10]: They took out the death penalty to drag these families through the worst of the worst experiences in their lives is just despicable.
[SPEAKER_10]: So I hope that when he makes this plea that the judge finds that he didn't have ineffective assistance to council at these families finally
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think the judge should grant him his appeal in, they should retry him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now the death penalty is on the table and you're going to get it, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Let it be.
[SPEAKER_03]: He knows he's not going to win this fucking appeal, but it is the, but yeah, oh, yeah,
[SPEAKER_03]: You had ineffective counsel and you stood up in the courtroom and you signed the stock in and you said you weren't promising thing or course and Bappa Baja, okay, yeah, well, we'll take your appeal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now the prosecution should come back and charge him with the death pilling in and not let him play this time because the evidence and I watch the documentaries and I'll follow this case since they won this deed is guilty and shut and he murdered just because he wanted to, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: granted to him, Idaho, and turn around and try him like he should have the first time.
[SPEAKER_03]: He should have never taken the death penalty off the table and let him escape.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then by the way, y'all, they did it without the family's permission.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is, you know, I've never seen a case where you take the death penalty off the table without asking the family members what they think, but they did it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they wanted to go away and guess what?
[SPEAKER_03]: We're still talking about this asshole today.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, that's all I got y'all.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope you have a wonderful weekend in hopefully, it'll be the last.
[SPEAKER_03]: balls hot weekend for a while, but we'll see, but have a good weekend, stay safe and love one another, and thank you for liking and listening and sharing, and all that good podcast stuff was supposed to say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You have to true crantime for Friday, August 28th, a holidayer piece.