The One Thing Lindsay Clancy Never Told Her Doctors, an American Idol Alum Charged in Ashley Flynn's Death, Tupac's Autopsy in Open Court

Defense expert Dr. Donald Condie, a clinical and forensic psychiatrist who reviewed Lindsay Clancy's medical records, testified that her providers' notes show postpartum depression progressing to postpartum psychosis — and acknowledged she never reported hearing voices to any treating provider before the killings. On cross, he testified she may not have reported everything out of concern about losing access to her children or risking her nursing license. Defense psychologist Dr. Paul Zeizel, who has seen Clancy 45 times since the killings, then testified that she told her then-husband by phone from the hospital that she heard a male voice telling her she had no choice but to kill her children and herself, and that there was no evidence she was faking. Zeizel testified he did not coach her; his account corroborates testimony Patrick Clancy gave earlier as a prosecution witness. Clancy has pleaded not guilty to three counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of Cora, 5, Dawson, 3, and Callan, 8 months, and contests criminal responsibility. Also: in Ohio, Ashley Flynn — a 37-year-old substitute teacher and middle school volleyball coach in Tipp City — was shot in her home in February. Her husband, Caleb Flynn, a season 12 American Idol contestant, has pleaded not guilty to eleven counts including aggravated murder. Both sides have now filed competing motions over pretrial publicity ahead of a September 17 trial. And in Las Vegas, a Clark County medical examiner testified about Tupac Shakur's injuries and a reluctant witness testified under court order in the murder trial of Duane Davis, who has pleaded not guilty.

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Speaker 1: I'm Garrett Fisher.

Speaker 2: Today is Thursday, August twentieth, twenty twenty six. Look, I'm

going to be honest with you. Four weeks into the

Lindsay Clancy trial, this case has come down to one

question and everything else is scaffolding around it. Nobody disputes

what happened in that Duxbury basement on January twenty fourth,

twenty twenty three. The defense admitted it in the opening statement.

Lindsey Clancy strangled her three children with exercise resistance bands,

Cora five years old, Dawson three, Callen eight months, Then

she cut herself and went out a second story window

and survived paralyzed. So the jury isn't being asked what

she did. The jury is being asked whether she was

in psychosis when she did it. And the defense case

for psychosis rests almost entirely on a voice, a male voice.

She says that told her she had no choice, that

she had to kill her children and then kill herself.

Here's the problem, and it is the whole ballgame. In

the four years of medical records that both sides have

now walked this jury through. Lindsey Clancy never told a

single treating doctor that she was hearing a voice. Not

her psychiatrist, not her nurse practitioner, not the counselor's, not

the hospital where she checked herself in weeks before. The

defense's own expert confirmed that from the witness stand on Tuesday.

The first human being she ever told was a forensic

psychologist hired by her defense team in a hospital room

where he was the only visitor allowed through the door.

That's Wednesday's fight, That's Thursday's fight. That may well be

the fight the jury takes into the deliberation room. Let's

set the table, because a lot of you found this

show through this trial, and I don't want anybody lost.

Prosecutors rested on Monday, after fourteen days of testimony and

more than seventy witnesses. The defense case opened immediately, and

Kevin Reddington did not start with experts. He started with family,

Lindsay Clancy's mother, Paula Musgrove, her sister, former colleagues from

the labor and delivery floor where Clancy worked as a nurse.

On Tuesday, he called somebody, I did not expect. Susan

Clancy Patrick Clancy's mother, which means she is Lindsay Clancy's

former mother in law and she is the grandmother of

the three children who died in that basement. She took

the stand for the defense. Susan Clancy is a nurse

herself worked labor and delivery for thirty eight years.

Speaker 1: She testified that.

Speaker 2: Lindsay was a nurturing, loving mother to all three children.

She testified that in November of twenty twenty, two months

after Callen was born, Lindsey reached out to her and

said she was well insomnia, no appetite, anxiety, sadness, and

Susan Clancy did what a nurse with thirty eight years

and a rolodex does. She called her colleagues at South

Shore Hospital, where they were running a clinic for women

struggling after birth, and she got her daughter in law

Adore to knock on her. Words to the jury, she

was begging for help. Now, think about what that testimony is.

That is the grandmother of three dead children walking into

a courtroom voluntarily and testifying for the woman who killed them.

Whatever you think this case is, hold that for a second.

There is no version of this where that was easy.

The cross examination is where Tuesday got ugly. Prosecutor Shanan

Buckingham pushed on the relationship, asking whether Susan Clancy knew

that Lindsay had told a therapist she wasn't close with

her in laws. Fair enough, that's what crosses for. Then

Buckingham brought up a family trip to church at Christmas,

ask Susan Clancy if she was an active member of

the Catholic Church. She said yes, and then the prosecutor

asked her whether she was aware that murder is considered

a mortal sin. Reddington was up before the witness could answer.

Sidebar Judge William Sullivan told the jury to disregard the

question entirely, and it was struck from the record. I'm

gonna say the obvious thing, that question was not evidence.

That question was a prosecutor asking a grieving grandmother to

sort out her dead grandchildren's mother in front of God

and fourteen jurors. The judge saw it and killed it.

And there is a version of this trial where the

Commonwealth's biggest problem is not the evidence, it's moments like

that one, because they hand the defense something free. Now

to the actual argument, because the defense spent Tuesday afternoon

building the frame that Wednesday and Thursday sit inside. Doctor

Donald Condy is a clinical and forensic psychiatrist. He never

met Lindsay Clancy, never evaluated her. He read the record,

that's it, and the defense told the jury that's it,

which is more honest than a lot of experts manage.

Condy's job was to look at what her treating providers

wrote down and tell the jury what he thinks it

adds up to his answer, postpartum depression progressing into postpartum psychosis,

and he was blunt about the care. He called doctor

Jennifer Tuffs's clinical notes sparse, with little detail about what

actually happened in the sessions. He faulted the providers for

never running basic blood work or thyroid testing on a

postpartum woman whose mind was coming apart. That's the malpracticed

spine of this defense, and you've heard it from me before.

In this case, there's a playbook for this. When your

client did the thing, you put the system on trial instead.

But Kandy also gave the prosecution the best sentence they

got all day. Under questioning, he confirmed that Lindsay Clancy

never reported hearing voices to her doctors, not once, not

to anybody who was actually treating her. So hold that

then meet doctor Paul Zeisel. Zeizel is a clinical and

forensic psychologist. He is a defense expert. He has been

in that courtroom nearly every day of this trial, and

in the days after January twenty fourth, when Lindsey Clancy

was in the intensive care unit at Brigham and Women's

Hospital with a state trooper posted outside her door and

nobody and I mean nobody allowed in to see her,

Paul Zeizel got a court order and walked in. He

testified Tuesday afternoon that he let her use his cell

phone to call her husband, and on that call, he says,

she told Patrick Clancy that she loved him, and then

she described a male voice ordering her, telling her she

had no choice, that she had to kill her children

and then kill herself. Reddington asked him directly whether there

was any sign she was faking it. Zizel's answer, she

was not faking And here is the collision. Prosecutors have signaled,

and Reddington has said publicly that they've signaled it that

they intend to argue. Zeizel is the origin of that voice,

that he met with Clancy two days before that phone call,

and that the idea of a commanding voice entered this

case through him and not through her. That is not

a small accusation. That is the prosecution telling a jury

that the central fact of the insanity defense was manufactured,

not remembered. Zeisel was still on the stand when court

ended Tuesday. He came back Wednesday morning to finish and

to face cross examination. As I record this, that session

is underway in Plymouth, and the judge had flagged a

possible delayed start. So I'll bring you what actually landed

on Friday show, but you already know the shape of it.

Prosecutors are going to walk him through every day of

that hospital, stay every note he took, every question he asked,

and try to show the jury a man who arrived with.

Speaker 1: A theory and left with a quote.

Speaker 2: The defense is going to say the opposite, that the

reason she never told her treating doctors is the the

reason a lot of mothers never tell anybody, because you

don't say out loud that you're hearing a voice about

your children when you believe the state will take your children.

One of the defense psychiatrists put exactly that in front

of the jury this week. Both of those are arguments,

only one of them is going to hold. Reddington is

expected to wrap the defense case this week. After that,

the Commonwealth gets rebuttal witnesses, and then closings, and then

this goes to twelve people who have spent a month

looking at photographs. No one should have to look at

one more thing, and it belongs in this segment because

it's part of what this case has become. A woman

in Wisconsin named Brandy Mulligan started posting reaction videos about

this trial on TikTok on August sixth. Within about a week,

she'd launched a fundraiser for Lindsay Clancy's parents, Paula and

Mike Musgrove, who have been paying for their daughter's defense

since twenty twenty three. She got Kevin Reddington on the phone,

the family agreed to accept it. She set the goal

at five hundred thousand dollars. By August seventeenth, she'd raised

the goal to two million, and the total was north

of eight hundred and forty nine thousand. One anonymous donor

gave ten thousand, Two women gave five thousand each. More

than a dozen people gave a thousand apiece, and I

want to be precise here because this gets distorted fast.

That money cannot go to legal fees. GoFundMe doesn't allow it.

The page says it covers travel, lodging, living expenses, the

accumulated cost of two parents who re mortgaged a house

and drew down a retirement to sit in a courtroom

every single day. The page also says explicitly that donating

doesn't mean you've picked a side. I believe the people

who wrote that. I also want you to sit with

the arithmetic. Close to a million dollars raised by a

stranger who has never met. This family moved in under

two weeks while a jury is still sitting. There were

three children in that somebody has to say their names

and it isn't going to be an algorithm. Cora Clancy

was five, Dawson Clancy was three, Calan Clancy was eight

months old. Nobody has started a fundraiser for them, because

you can't. They're gone whatever this jury decides, and I

have no idea what this jury is going to decide.

That part is finished and it does not get appealed

when we come back in Las Vegas jurors finally looked

at what happened to Tupac Shakur's body, and then they

watched a man take the stand and tell the prosecution

to their faces that he was not going to help.

Thirty years of silence still holding. Welcome back, Day two

of testimony in Clark County, Nevada in the trial of

Dwayne Davis, who everybody calls Keffi d He is sixty

three years old. He is charged with murder with a

deadly weapon with the intent to promote or assist a

criminal gang. He has pleaded not guilty. He is not

accused of pulling the trigger. Prosecutors say he organized it,

and on Tuesday, this case stopped being about a legend

and became about a body. Chief Deputy District Attorney Binu

Palal called doctor Lisa Gavin, a forensic pathologist and medical

examiner for Clark County. Gavin was not at the nineteen

ninety six autopsy. She couldn't be the examiner who performed it.

Has since died, which tells you everything about how long

this case sat. Before her testimony started, jurors were shown

a photograph of a green body bag, and then a

photograph of what was inside it. Some of Tupac Shakur's

family got up and left the courtroom before the photos

went on the screen. Some of the ones who stayed

looked away. One woman stood up and walked out once

she saw them. The images were not carried on the

video feed, and they should not have been. Gavin walked

the jury through three bullets. One of them went through

his chest and threw a lung. The lung collapsed and bled.

Doctors took it out trying to save him. Other rounds

tore up his intestines and other parts of his body.

The photograph showed a body that was swollen, with multiple

wounds to the chest and with the chest tube still

in it from six days in a hospital bed six days.

He was twenty five years old. His cousin, zad Akinyella,

stayed in the courtroom for all of it. He told

the Associated Press afterward that he hadn't known until that

moment how many times his cousin had been shot. He

said the detail helps that the family has been waiting

thirty years to grieve properly, and that a lot of

people can't start grieving until they understand what actually happened

to the person they lost thirty years to find out

how many bullets think about that. Jurors also saw the

MGM grand surveillance video from earlier that night, the camera

panning across the casino floor, a group beating and kicking a.

Speaker 1: Man on the ground.

Speaker 2: That man is Orlando Anderson, Davis's nephew. Then the footage

show Shakur and his people moving fast through the casino,

some of them jogging to keep up with him. Then

security and police arriving talking to Anderson, who was wearing

a number thirteen Dan Marino Dolphins jersey. A few hours

after that, Shakur was in the passenger seat of a

black BMW with Marion Knight driving, and a white Cadillac

pulled alongside at a light off the strip. That's the

prosecution's whole theory in one sequence, a beating, then a

killing four hours apart. Now the part of Tuesday that

I can't stop thinking about. After a long run of

technical witnesses, the state called James McDonald. McDonald did not

want to be there. He testified under a court order,

which is the only reason he was in the building.

McDonald had been affiliated with the mob Peru Bloods like

Marion Knight, and he worked security for night at Club

six sixty two, which is exactly where Shakur and Knight

were headed when the shooting happened. Davis was a member

of the rival South Side Compton Cribs, so McDonald is

a man who was standing in the middle of all

of it. Paula asked him whether he knew why Orlando

Anderson got beaten at the MGM that night. McDonald wouldn't say.

He told the jury he was aware of a lot

of things that people hadn't talked about them in thirty years,

and that today wasn't the day either. He said bringing

up the dead was wrong. He told the prosecutor to

treat him as a hostile witness, which the prosecutor then did.

He also didn't want to answer the defense's questions and

told Michael Samft that some of them weren't in his

own client's interest, which is not a thing witnesses normally

say out loud, and he spoke directly to the defendant,

told Davis that what he's going through is what he's

going through and that he hadn't wanted to be part

of it.

Speaker 1: Davis didn't visibly react.

Speaker 2: Afterward, outside the courtroom, McDonald told reporters what prosecutors.

Speaker 1: Had wanted from him.

Speaker 2: They wanted him to say he saw Davis and others

pull up to Club six sixty two that night. They

wanted him to explain and why Anderson got beaten. And

he said this, I'm not gonna send another black man

a prison. I want to handle that carefully because it

deserves better than a hot take. That sentence comes from

somewhere real. It comes from a history that is not

imaginary and not exaggerated about who fills American prisons and

how they got there. James McDonald is not confused about

that history, neither am I. And he was hauled into

that courtroom against his will under a court order thirty

years after the fact. But here's the other thing that's true.

The reason this case took thirty years is not that

police were baffled. Investigators knew Davis's name for decades. He

was on the record, he wrote a book about it.

What kept this thing frozen was exactly the arrangement McDonald

described from the witness stand. People know, people don't say,

nobody talks about the dead, and so the silence that

protected everybody for thirty years walked into a courtroom and said,

down in the witness chair, still doing its job. The

state's other significant witness Tuesday was Reggie Wright Junior, a

former Compton Police officer who owned the security company death

Row Records used. He laid out how the feud with

bad Boy Records had escalated. He said he doubled Shakur's

security detail after the hit him Up video came out

because he understood what that record was going to provoke.

On the night of September seventh, nineteen ninety six, Shakur

had one guard. Wright testified that he went to University

Medical Center after the shooting, that a crowd was already

forming there, and that he called his father, who worked

the gang division at Compton PD, to warn him that

trouble was headed home. He testified that he later received

Shakur's ashes after the cremation and made sure they got

to the family. Wright has been the subject of rumors

about this killing for almost as long as the rumors

have existed. Plal asked him directly in open court whether

he had anything to do with it. Wright said, absolutely not.

That's the value of a trial. Thirty years of internet

theories and a prosecutor gets to ask the question with

a court reporter typing. This trial is expected to run

into September. Tupac Shakur was twenty five. He had four

albums out and a film career starting, and he died

in a hospital bed six days after somebody decided a

beating in a casino lobby had.

Speaker 1: To be answered.

Speaker 2: Someone has to say his name. Tupac Amaru Shakur still

ahead an Ohio murder trial five weeks out where the

prosecution and the defense agree completely about the problem and

want opposite solutions. And a woman whose name has been

buried under a reality show credit since.

Speaker 3: February welcome back.

Speaker 2: Let's start where this story should always start and almost

never does. Ashley Flynn was thirty seven years old. She

lived in Tips City, Ohio, north of Dayton. She graduated

from Tippecanoe High School and then from Lee University, and

then she came home. She was a substitute teacher for

Tip City Schools. She coached seventh grade girls volleyball at

Tippecanoe Middle School. She taught for LifeWise Academy. She was

the mother of two daughters who are now ten and twelve.

A neighbor described her to a reporter the day after

she died, said she was full of light. In the

early hours of February sixteenth, twenty twenty six, Ashley Flynn

was shot twice in the head in her own bedroom

while her daughters were asleep in the house. At two

thirty one in the morning. Her husband called nine one

one and told a dispatcher that somebody had broken in

and shot his wife. Now here's how every headline about

this case has been written since. American Idol contestant Caleb Flynn,

forty years old, appeared on the twelfth season of that show.

He was billed as a music pastor. He did not

make it past the early Hollywood rounds. That is the

entirety of his connection to the entertainment industry, and it

is the first four words of almost every story written

about the death of Ashley Flynn. Nobody was paying attention

to her, and she is the one who is dead,

So let's do this properly. Caleb Flynn was arrested on

February nineteenth. On March eighteenth, a Miami County grand jury

returned an eleven count indictment, one count of aggravated murder,

three counts of murder, two counts of felonious assault, three

counts of tampering with evidence, and two misdemeanor counts of

intimidating an attorney, victim or witness. He pleaded not guilty

to all of it. His bond went from two million

to three and a half million. He has been in

the Miami County jail since February. He has presumed innocent,

and I mean that as written, not as a formality.

The states theory is that there was no burglar. Investigators

reported finding a garage side door that was opened, but

had a large refrigerator sitting in front of it, which

would have had to be moved for anyone to come through.

Prosecutors alleged in court filings that Flynn used a nine

millimeter handgun and altered the scene, and their own filing

said the changes led officers astray. That aggravated murder count

came later, with prosecutors arguing the killing was done purposely

with prior calculation and design. Trial is set for September seventeenth,

in front of Judge Genine Pratt in Troy, Ohio, expected

to run two weeks. The couple's two daughters are on

the witness list, and an earlier ruling means they will

testify in the same room as their father facing him.

Prosecutors had asked to invoke child witness protections to prevent

that they lost ten and twelve years old testifying about

the night their mother died looking at their dad. Now

to this week's filings because they are genuinely interesting. On Monday,

both sides filed motions about the same problem pre trial publicity.

Both sides agree there's been too much of it they

want opposite remedies. The defense wants the trial moved out

of Miami County entirely. Their argument is that this is

a county of about one hundred and thirteen thousand people

across five main cities, that residents have been saturated for

six months by news coverage and social media, commentary and

broadcast segments from the courtroom itself, and that both the

defendants and the victims standing in that community make it worse.

The motion names Court TV alongside television stations in Dayton, Cincinnati,

and Youngstown, and says a lot of the coverage has

been inflammatory and prejudicial.

Speaker 1: The motion does.

Speaker 2: Not propose anywhere to move it to which is a

tell change of venue. Motions that name a preferred county

are trying to win. Change of venue motions that don't

are frequently building a record for appeal. Prosecutors didn't respond

to that motion at all. They filed their own the

same day, asking Judge Pratt to sequester the jury for

the duration of the trial. Their argument runs on the

identical facts, substantial publicity across Ohio and the country, comment sections,

social media posts, and a specific concern. I'll give them

credit for most of the images circulating show Caleb Flynn

in a jumpsuit, in a belly band, in handcuffs and shackles.

In the courtroom, he will be in street clothes because

that is the law. A juror who goes home at

night and sees the jail photo has seen something the

court has worked to keep out. So one side says

the pool has already poisoned move the trial. The other

side says the pool is fine, just seal it off

from the water supply. No hearing has been scheduled on

either one yet. Trial date holds at September seventeenth. For now,

and look, I'll say the quiet part this show is

part of the coverage the defense motion is complaining about.

Speaker 1: I'm aware of that.

Speaker 2: The answer isn't for courts to run in secret, and

it isn't for a man to be tried by a

jury pool that's already decided. The answer is a judge

doing exactly what Pratt is about to do, which is

sit down with two motions built on the same facts,

and make a call about what actually protects the trial.

Speaker 1: That's the system working. Honestly.

Speaker 2: It's slow, and it's unglamorous, and it's a lot less

interesting than an American Idol credit, which brings me back

to where we started. Ashley Flynn coached seventh grade volleyball.

She subbed in classrooms in the district she grew up in.

Her family said their hearts were shattered, and they also

said publicly that they trusted The arrest was made carefully

and not without serious consideration, which is a remarkable thing

to say about the man who was married to your daughter.

Someone has to say her name, Ashley Flynn. Accountability doesn't

have a legal department. It has a courtroom and a

date and twelve people. September seventeenth, that's the show for Thursday.

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be back tomorrow with what came out of Wednesday and

Thursday in Plymouth, including the cross examination of doctor Zezel

and Weather, the defense rests Cora Dawson and Callan Clancy,

Tupac Shakur, Ashley Flynn do better now the disclaimer, and

there's a real.

Speaker 1: Amount of it today.

Speaker 2: Everything here comes from court proceedings, court filings, and reporting

by outlets covering these cases directly, including Court, TV, The

Associated Press, Boston twenty five News, The Boston Globe, CBS, Boston, CNN,

wbur and Dayton area newspapers. Testimony described here is what

a witness said under oath. It is not finding a fact.

Juries decide what testimony is worth. Reporters don't and neither

do I. On the Clancy case, Lindsey Clancy has pleaded

not guilty and her defense is lack of criminal responsibility.

She is admitted through council that she killed her children.

The dispute is her mental state. Outlets have reported her

age inconsistently across this trial, listing her as thirty five

and as thirty six, and Court TV has at times

listed Callan Clancy as seven months old, while the court

record and most reporting say eight months. We use thirty

six and eight months. Doctor Paul Zeisel's testimony was still

in progress when this episode was recorded, so anything from

Wednesday afternoon onward comes in tomorrow's episode. The suggestion that

Zeizel introduced the idea of a commanding voice is a

prosecution argument signaled in court and described publicly by defense counsel.

It has not been established, and Zeizel testified she was

not fabricating symptoms. The go fundme figures are as reported

on August seventeen, and have likely moved. We are not

linking to that fundraiser, endorsing it, or discouraging it. We

are reporting that it exists and how large it has become.

On the Las Vegas case, Dwayne Davis has pleaded not

guilty and is presumed innocent. He is not charged with

firing the shots. Statements attributed to him from his memoir

and past interviews are contested, and his own defense has

argued in court that he exaggerated for money and attention.

We have not repeated uncharged allegations made in that book

about living people. Court TV's trial page currently dates the

shooting to February of nineteen ninety six. The shooting was

September seventh, nineteen ninety six, and Tupac Shakur died September thirteenth.

Some outlets have also reported that the trial began August tenth.

Jury selection began August tenth. Opening statements were August seventeen.

Reggie Wright Junior has never been charged in connection with

this killing.

Speaker 1: And denied involvement under oath.

Speaker 2: On the Ohio case, Caleb Flynn has pleaded not guilty

to all eleven counts and is presumed innocent.

Speaker 1: No trial evidence has been heard.

Speaker 2: Everything described about the scene comes from charging documents and

prosecution filings, which are allegations. Some early coverage of this case,

including one court TV headline that is still live, in

its web address incorrectly reported that Ashley Flynn was pregnant.

Court TV has since corrected that she was not. Reports

of Caleb Flynn's age vary between thirty nine and forty,

depending on the date of publication. There is also unsourced

online material circulating about an alleged affair. It has not

appeared in any file document. We have not repeated it

and you should treat it as unverified. This episode deals

with the deaths of children with postpart of mental illness

and with suicide.

Speaker 1: If you are struggling.

Speaker 2: After a birth, the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline is free,

confidential and available around the clock at one eight three

three TLC Mama. If you are having thoughts of suicide,

call or text nine to eight eight in the United

States for the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline. If you are

in crisis right now, please reach out to a person,

not a podcast.