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Memorial Day with Arlington National Cemetery

Memorial Day gets marketed like a party, but the real story is heavier and more human. We’re joined by Allison Finkelstein, Senior Historian at Arlington National Cemetery, to trace Memorial Day back to its first name: Decoration Day. From Arlington’s creation during the Civil War to the first official annual observance of National Decoration Day in 1868, we talk about how public rituals, flowers, and community grief shaped the way the United States remembers its war dead.

Then we slow down and look at remembrance, one name at a time. Allison shares the story of Private Sylvester Ducket of the 369th Infantry, the Harlem Hellfighters, and how a headstone can open a door into archives, family choices, and long-delayed recognition. We also discuss Anita Campos, a Spanish-American War nurse contracted before the Army Nurse Corps existed, and what her burial at Arlington says about the service that the government didn’t always fully name or reward. Along the way, we unpack Arlington’s history of segregation by race and rank and why the cemetery’s landscape still helps us see that past.

We also get practical about what Memorial Day can look like now: Arlington’s Flags In tradition, the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, and Flowers of Remembrance, which invites the public to place a flower in a powerful act of collective memory. If you teach civics or history, Alison explains free educational resources from Arlington National Cemetery, including lesson plans, primary source activities, and upcoming virtual visits that bring the site to your classroom.

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1 SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to Civics in Year.

I am so excited to have a wonderful historian friend on to

talk about Memorial Day.

We have the senior historian from Arlington National Cemetery

with us, Alison Finkelstein.

And Allison and I met actually a while ago.

We did a conference, the uh American Historical Association.

We did a panel together on how to bring history into

classrooms.

So, Allison, thank you so much for coming on our podcast and

for talking about Memorial Day with us.

What else do you want to tell listeners about what you do at

Arlington?

SPEAKER_01: Well, first, thank you so much for having me.

And I just want to congratulate you as well, Dr.

Evans.

It's such a great accomplishment earning earning your doctorate

on top of everything else that you do.

And I was so excited to see that news, and I'm really happy to be

able to talk to you about the podcast.

Yes, so I'm Senior Historian at Arlington National Cemetery.

My title technically is Senior Historian for Army National

Military Cemeteries, because we have two sites under our

stewardship: Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia, and then

the Soldiers and Airmen's Home National Cemetery in Washington,

D.C.

But of course, more people are familiar with Arlington National

Cemetery.

Arlington was created in 1864 during the midst of the American

Civil War, as the fatalities were mounting from both combat

and disease, particularly in the Washington, D.C.

area and the surrounding Northern Virginia area, the U.S.

Army was running out of burial space for those war dead.

They had seized the Arlington property at the start of the war

in 1861 for strategic defense of the nation's capital.

And they started burying the dead at Arlington.

And there was very little at the time that could have given those

soldiers any indication of what Arlington was going to become.

And it was, in fact, what we now call Memorial Day that really

changed the trajectory of Arlington's history.

And I'm excited to talk about that with you.

SPEAKER_00: Yes.

So my first question then is how has the meaning and public

understanding of Memorial Day changed from its origins all the

way to today?

SPEAKER_01: There has been a lot of great research done on the

history of Memorial Day, and there are a few competing

stories about it.

Arlington, our stake in this, is that the cemetery was the first

venue for the very first annual National Decoration Day

observance.

Because as you hear me speak, I will refer to Memorial Day in

its earliest iterations as Decoration Day.

That was its first name.

So we're not saying that the first ever Decoration Day

happened at Arlington.

As many other historians have written, including David Blight,

there were many ad hoc ceremonies and events that were

essentially decoration day observances that were happening

around the country before the 1868 event at Arlington National

Cemetery when General John Logan, a U.S.

veteran and member of Congress at the time, who was serving as

the president of the Grand Army of the Republic, the GAR, for

Civil War buffs out there, the largest and most powerful U.S.

Army Civil War veterans organization.

In 1868, General Logan made a declaration that declared

Decoration Day to happen in May of that year, and the first

official ceremony took place at Arlington.

And it was a much different type of ceremony in 1868.

It involved speeches on the steps of the Arlington House.

There was a procession of orphans who walked from the

house to the tomb of the Civil War unknowns, to the gravesites

in the cemetery, and decorated those graves with flowers.

And that's why it was called initially Decoration Day.

It was about coming together in the springtime to show through

flowers and plants and natural life that the dead were still

being remembered.

And we talk about this a lot at Arlington, particularly on

Memorial Day weekend during some special events, which I can

share later.

Memorial Day slash decoration day is really what started to

elevate Arlington status because at first the cemetery was no

different than any of the other Civil War era national

cemeteries.

This was the first time that the U.S.

military actually took responsibility for burying the

war dead, which is kind of hard to believe today because it's

such an important part of our culture, right?

It's hard to imagine that before the Civil War, there were not

national cemeteries like we think of them.

So during the Civil War, places like Antietam National Cemetery,

what is now Soldiers and Airmen's Home National Cemetery,

obviously not with the airmen in there at the time of the Civil

War.

Gettysburg National Cemetery, the site of Lincoln's famous

Gettysburg Address.

These were all part of a newly created national network of

military cemeteries.

And Arlington was just one of those.

It was no different from any of the other cemeteries.

And it was that 1868 Decoration Day event that started to

differentiate Arlington.

As that event became more prominent, the cemetery's

stature rose.

An amphitheater, which we now call Tanner Amphitheater, was

constructed, I believe it was in 1873, to be a beautiful,

picturesque venue for that ceremony.

And Civil War veterans, once they were allowed to be buried

at the cemetery, wanted to be buried within view of that

amphitheater.

So that's one of the reasons why in our sections one and sections

two, which are not the first and section, second sections at the

cemetery, just to make it confusing.

That's why there's so many elaborate private markers,

markers paid for by the families of the war dead instead of just

using the government-issued headstones.

And it's really the time period when we get so many of these

famous generals and admirals of the Civil War era choosing to be

buried at Arlington and starting to make us more special than the

rest.

SPEAKER_00: So, what would be some of the lesser-known stories

of service members that help us better understand the human

impact of military sacrifice?

SPEAKER_01: This is a really hard question, Liz.

I feel as though with the over 420,000 service members and

their dependents buried at Arlington, with the number

changing daily since there are funerals happening right now, I

always feel as though I don't want to put any discredit on any

of those people by not selecting them for a question like this.

So it does, it does always feel like a responsibility when I'm

asked.

So the first one, the first two I think are a little bit lesser

known.

The first one is certainly not well known.

The first person I want to talk about is Sylvester Ducket, who

is buried in section 19 of the cemetery.

And he was a member of the 369th Infantry, famously known as the

Harlem Hellfighters or Harlem's Rattlers of the 93rd Division

during the First World War.

This was a segregated African-American division.

The United States military was segregated by rank until 1948

when President Truman desegregated the military.

So in 2025, the 369th, the Harlem Hell Fighters, were

actually awarded the Congressional Gold Medal by the

U.S.

Congress, which had been in the works for many, many years.

They were highly awarded by the French, but were not given as

much recognition by the United States.

So the Congressional Gold Medal was an effort by their

modern-day supporters and Congress to try to right that

wrong.

And in the lead up to that, I started doing some more research

on the Harlem Hellfighters at Arlington.

And I decided to just take a walk around section 19 and see

who I could find on the headstones there.

Headstones are primary sources, they are artifacts that

historians, teachers, and students can use for research.

So instead of going to records or a book, I just went right out

there, put on my hiking boots, and got out into the section.

And I chose section 19 because that is one of the segregated

sections at Arlington.

Arlington was segregated by race and by rank until 1949, that

year when Truman desegregated the military.

So section 19 is a section for African American enlisted men,

primarily those who died overseas during World War I and

were then repatriated, though not entirely.

There are others who are buried there.

So I looked around and I wrote down and took photos of the

graves of men from the 369th, and I started digging into them

using Ancestry in Fold III and other records databases, and I

focus in on Sylvester Ducket because he was so young.

I believe, if I'm remembering correctly, he was only 19 when

he was killed.

He was from Washington, D.C.

His name is actually also memorialized and inscribed on

the D.C.

War Memorial, which is located on the National Mall.

And I was able to find some documents about how when he

joined, he didn't tell his mother, and he didn't have his

mother's permission, per se, to be involved in the military.

But he went over and he served with this unit anyway, and he

lost his life during the war and was repatriated, and it it got

me thinking about a few things.

First, it got me thinking about all of those other men and women

in the cemetery whose graves I have walked by and have not

researched their stories.

You asked about lesser-known stories of service and

sacrifice.

Sylvester Ducket is one example among truly hundreds of

thousands.

Every grave you go to at Arlington, you can find a story.

And the other thing I thought about was I know as a historian

of the First World War that the next of kin of those who died,

the mother, father, or a spouse, they had the choice of where to

bury their loved one.

They could bury them in a permanent overseas American

military cemetery, they could bury them at Arlington, they

could bury them in a family or church cemetery.

His mother chose to bury him at Arlington.

Was that because it was easier for her to visit from her home

in Washington, D.C.

What went into that choice?

There is a way I could try to find out through the burial case

records.

Unfortunately, I was not able to get to the National Archives at

St.

Louis to see what's what's in that file, but I hope to one day

to see if there's any correspondence from his mother,

as there I have found in many other cases.

So I wanted to bring up Private Sylvester Ducket.

SPEAKER_00: And now I'm like, I wonder, because I do know that

my great-grandmother was his next of kin, his sister, because

his parents had passed.

And so now I'm wondering, I'm wondering that.

Like, did she have to make this choice and why did she make it?

And I wonder what the, you know, that kind of correspondence is.

It is so interesting too that Arlington itself holds that

history, holds the segregation that, like you said, until

President Truman in 1949, like that's what it was.

And I would have, you know, I've I can't count how many times

I've been to Arlington and never knew that.

So that is it's interesting too that his name isn't the World

War I Memorial on the Mall.

Like there is that kind of connection.

SPEAKER_01: There's so many things to unpack here.

So for the the memorial on the mall, that is the District of

Columbia World War Memorial.

And it was placed there long before, obviously, the World War

II Memorial or many of those other memorials.

So that was just the district's local town memorial.

And of course, the Washington Monument was there and the

landscape was changing around the time that it was placed.

But it's a very fascinating memorial to go to because it

truly is a local memorial that is embedded into the landscape

of the National Mall.

It's also a living memorial, so it's a bandstand, and that's its

living memorial function.

Okay, to go back briefly to your family connection, and you can

tell me to stop going down this rabbit hole if you want me to.

It was definitely your great grandmother.

It was her choice.

So that was up to the family to have him buried at the Meuse

Sargon American Cemetery.

So if I ever get back to those records at St.

Louis, by the way, folks listening, they used to be at

the National Archives in College Park and were much more

accessible to those of us in DC.

And then they uh they made a little relocation to St.

Louis, but those files, the barrel case files, should have

the correspondence between the next of kin detailing why they

made that choice.

And if your great great-grandmother went on the

Gold Star Mother's Pilgrimage, that would also be documented in

there as well.

SPEAKER_00: And again, it's so interesting because I do have

the letter from the chaplain to my great-grandmother, like, you

know, talking about, you know, how you know he meant so much to

his squadron and just that.

And it's it is really cool that the archives holds this and

that, you know, Arlington holds this, and even like you say,

overseas, like all of this history is there and it holds

it.

So you brought up Sylvester.

Do you have another one?

SPEAKER_01: Again, this is so hard.

I want to talk about somebody who died in the line of duty but

was not actually officially in the military.

And that is the name of a Spanish-American War nurse,

Anita Campos, who is buried in section 21.

During the Spanish-American War, the U.S.

Army Nurse Corps had not yet been created.

So there was this great need for trained nurses who, around the

time of the Spanish-American War, 1898, were primarily women.

So the U.S.

Army actually contracted trained civilian nurses to serve as Army

nurses, essentially the same as a civilian contractor today.

So these women, many of them were stationed in the U.S., but

many of them actually went overseas, like Anita Campos, and

she died of malaria in Cuba.

And she and the other nurses who served in the Spanish-American

War, even though they were not officially in the Army, they

were eligible for burial at Arlington.

And that was because of a group of Civil War nurses who the year

before the Spanish-American War had been successful in being

able to get legislation passed to enable them to be buried at

Arlington based on their own service, even though they were

not officially in the Army, because women were not allowed

to serve in the Army and they were serving.

I argue they were serving the Army, even though they were

outside of the official military structure.

And there's many stories like that of who many historians like

me argue were female service members, even if the government

did not recognize them as female service members.

This continued through World War I and World War II.

SPEAKER_00: So we go back to the segregation piece.

What I mean I think America in general too and DC has it is

very rare to just have this history there, right?

To have this there are segregated how how did Arlington

kind of deal with that then after Truman was like military

is desegregated, you know, that executive order kind of comes

out.

SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so because Arlington was segregated by both

race and rank, so enlisted versus officer until 1948, it

did take some time to transition away from that.

But there is a real importance at Arlington and other

cemeteries of always honoring the dead and not moving the

dead, right?

Respecting the dead.

So there was no movement of any graves.

And what that means is that Arlington is one of a small

segment of historic sites where you can actually still see on

the landscape what segregation looked like.

So when you go to section 19 where Sylvester Ducett is

buried, and you read those headstones with a little bit of

information about the history of the military during World War I,

you can begin to see written on those headstones what African

American service members did during the war.

There were many combat veterans, yes, like Sylvester Ducett and

the members of the 369th and of the other the other infantry

division that served in combat, though they served under the

French, not with the Americans.

But you'll also see headstones with abbreviations for

stevedors, people who worked at the ports, for labor battalions,

for the Quartermaster Corps, many of the service members who

were actually digging the overseas graves and building the

cemetery, like where your great uncle Great Great Uncle is

there.

Sorry.

Many of the men were in segregated units of the army

doing that hard labor.

So it gives you a picture of what military service looked

like in a segregated military.

And particularly for students and teachers utilizing our

education materials, which we can talk about later, I'm sure.

We try to guide people so that when they walk around, they can

read the sections.

They can get a sense of what they are seeing, start to look

at the clues on those headstones, and actually analyze

and think about what it means to see sections that are still

somewhat segregated.

Now, there's been a lot more burials in those sections where

the cemetery is always trying to utilize space wisely.

So they are not completely segregated anymore, some of

them, but you can still see it.

And that's very rare to be able to see.

And it's part of our past.

And this is a place where you can actually stop and think

about it and engage in what did it mean to serve in a segregated

military during World War I or World War II, during the Civil

War, the Spanish-American War?

There's a lot of questions I think that educators can

consider.

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: So what traditions or practices best capture the

original purpose of Memorial Day, and why do they still

matter today?

SPEAKER_01: I'm really glad you asked this question because our

team gets very frustrated every year around Memorial Day because

you turn on the radio and you turn on the TV, and all you hear

and see are advertisements for Memorial Day sale or get

prepared for your Memorial Day barbecue.

It's the official start of summer.

That is not what Memorial Day is about.

Memorial Day is a solemn holiday, an observance, really.

I even feel it's a federal holiday, but sometimes I I feel

uncomfortable even calling it a holiday.

That sounds too joyful.

It is a solemn observance, a a day for remembrance rites for

those who served and lost their lives in battle, for those who

lost their lives later on due to their military service, or even

for some families and communities to remember those

who are no longer with us and died peacefully.

Its origins, as we talked about earlier, are in the American

Civil War.

So when we recognize Memorial Day, we are linked to our

nation's costliest conflict.

And we really want to remind people of what this day is

about.

That's why it's the most important weekend of the year

for our whole team at the cemetery.

Particularly for many people outside of the History Office,

the horticulture team work so hard to get the grounds looking

meticulous for Memorial Day.

All of the operations and facilities teams are doing

everything they can to ensure that the facilities are ready

for an influx of people to make sure that we are prepared to

host families who are coming to their loved ones' grave for a

yearly pilgrimage, maybe.

Can talk about, but the wider cemetery team, as well as the

military district of Washington, does a couple things that really

harken back to what Memorial Day or Decoration Day is about.

The old guard in the week before Memorial Day places a flag at

every grave, and we call this flags in.

And this is a really meaningful tradition because it is

decorating the grave, not with flowers, but with a flag of the

country for which these people served.

And the flag to me is a little bit more long, it's a little

longer lasting than the flowers.

So by the time Memorial Day is over, that flag is still

looking, if not pristine, it's it's still looking in a state

that honors the service member buried there.

And it's it's a really moving sight when you see all of those

flags.

They also place flags at the graves of the unknown soldiers

at the tomb of the unknown soldier.

So Flags In is a really big part of it.

The National Memorial Day observance that takes place on

Memorial Day itself, when the president or another senior

government leader lays a wreath at the tomb of the unknown

soldier, that is something that has been taking place for so

long.

Since 1868.

Now, you know, since Memorial Amphitheater was opened in 1920,

it's it's taking place at Memorial Amphitheaters.

There's this unbroken line of observances there with

incredible historic photos of every president from the time

photography was was being used to capture those ceremonies

after they started.

And then for the past, oh gosh, I think since 2022, the cemetery

has also had a new tradition.

And it's called Flowers of Remembrance Day.

This was inspired by something that we did in 2021 when we

observed the centennial of the tomb of the unknown soldier.

A suggestion was made by a group of former tomb guards to do a

flower ceremony at the tomb on the exact days that the World

War I unknown soldier had been given the honor of laying in

state in the Capitol Rotunda.

And when that happened, over 90,000 people came to pay their

respects, which is a a really big amount of people in 1921,

before Twitter or podcasts.

So for the first time in decades, the cemetery allowed

the public to walk on the plaza in front of the tomb and place a

flower there.

And it was so popular that leadership made the decision to

do it annually, but do it on Memorial Day weekend.

So I've been able to lay a flower every year, and I am

moved to tears each time.

I highly encourage anybody who is in the DC area, please join

us.

It's on the Sunday of Memorial Day this year.

I believe that's the 24th of May.

It is free, it's open to the public.

You don't need to bring a flower.

We have flowers for you, and you get to be up close to the tomb.

And it's it's very powerful.

So that is really hearkening back to the original intent of

decoration day, decorating the graves of the dead with flowers.

And to try and drive that message home, our team's role on

that day is twofold.

We do a short lecture about the history of decoration day in the

Bowl of Memorial Amphitheater, and then we also offer a walking

tour where we go backwards through time from the present

day, taking people from their experience of having just laid

that flower at the tomb all the way back.

We walk to Arlington House to trace how decoration day slash

memorial day evolved at Arlington.

And I really encourage anybody again, please join us.

It's free.

We would love to have you.

And we find it's a way that we can try and impress upon people

what this holiday is about.

But if you can't come to DC, there's still a lot of ways you

can honor Memorial Day at home.

Our education program has a lot of resources on Memorial Day and

Veterans Day that are aimed at students and teachers.

But I would say if there's a military cemetery by you, go

there that day.

If you know a military veteran, go and talk to them about their

experience.

Do an active service, go volunteer.

Is there a group of veterans?

Is there a retirement home or a nursing home where you can go

and donate some of your time?

That's really what Memorial Day is about.

It's not about the barbecues.

SPEAKER_00: I'm so glad you brought that up because I think

that especially military families like have that

understanding.

So I do want to talk a little bit more about your education

program.

So I'm in Arizona and I've been lucky enough to go to Arlington

many times.

And when you're talking about, you know, the team of the

unknown soldier, I mean, it always, as you were telling the

story about like laying flowers, like I was getting teary.

But for teachers and for students and for homeschool, or

just for the general public that's like, this is really

cool.

I want to learn more.

Can you tell me a little bit more about your education

programs that kind of just bring Arlington to your classroom?

SPEAKER_01: Yes, that's exactly the goal of it.

We launched it in 2019 with this mission of making Arlington

accessible to educators and students and learners of all

kinds.

So exactly as you put it, it's not just for people in a formal

school setting.

We really do a lot of outreach to homeschool communities.

Please use our stuff.

Take it.

It's all free.

It's also for lifelong learners, which is essentially anybody

who's an adult and maybe not in a formal learning program.

The idea is that we only have three members of the History

Office now, and we cannot be with every one of the two

million, over two million visitors that come to Arlington

or the countless numbers of millions that engage with us

online.

We do consider those of you who can't come to Arlington to be

our virtual visitors, and you're a key part of our audience and

community.

So we have created walking tours that essentially put us in your

pockets so you can read and guide yourself around the

cemetery from home or on site to learn about the different sites,

the different people, the different memorials.

We have lesson plans, we have primary source packets, we have

questions, we have activities.

We just released our America 250 module focused on the American

Revolution.

And one of the products in there that I had the most fun working

on is the design your own city activity.

Pierre Lenfant is buried at Arlington.

He was a veteran of the American Revolution, and his work

inspired much of the modern design of DC.

So we ask the students in those activities, design your own

capital city.

What would your capital city look like?

So our materials, they're not just for history or civics

teachers.

They can be for art teachers.

We have a whole lesson on military music.

We have lessons on horticulture and STEM.

There is one math lesson about decoding that there's math in

it.

I'm a historian.

It scares me, but math teachers, you will hopefully love it.

So we're really trying to provide all sorts of resources

to make it easy to incorporate Arlington into your curriculum,

no matter where you are.

And I know, especially for your listeners in Arizona, a lot of

you might not come out here, but they're still for you.

There's connections, many connections to Arizona.

And if if you think we don't have one, send me an email,

we'll we'll find it.

But we really want to make this site accessible to everybody

because that's who it belongs to.

It belongs to the American people.

We're also launching very soon a virtual visit experience for the

Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

It's so cool.

Our contract education team did a fantastic job with all of the

technology.

I take zero credit for any of the cool tech things on there,

but it actually allows you to click through and walk through

different areas of not just the tomb, but the memorial

amphitheaters.

So it really will allow you to have your students visit the

tomb from wherever you are based.

SPEAKER_00: This is so cool.

I'm like looking at like Earth, air, and space, which you said

Arizona.

The Powell expeditions are on here.

So Arizonans, there's, you know, the Grand Canyon, but there's so

much on here.

And I love that Arlington really embraces the civics, it's

everywhere, right?

It's in all of our curriculums.

It's in people who are lifelong learners who are just really

interested about this stuff.

I'm so excited for the virtual visits, too.

Is there anything else that you want our listeners to know about

Memorial Day, about Arlington National Cemetery, any of that?

SPEAKER_01: Well, for the many Civics educators who I think are

probably listening, we do have a Civics module and we keep adding

material to that Civics module.

So some of our America 250 content is in there as well.

So we're really trying to connect the stories of the

cemetery to the curriculum and the standards that are being

taught in Civics.

I would also say to you educators out there, if you have

an idea for something you think we should consider or a way you

think we can connect Arlington to what you are actually doing,

please reach out to us through the cemetery's website.

We would love to hear from you.

This program is successful because we've had a lot of

cooperation and insight from teachers, and the the contract

team we work with has many teachers, former teachers on it.

I'm not in the classroom like you guys are.

I need to hear from you to know what we can provide that's

useful.

We were able to go to the National Council for Social

Studies in DC this year, which was wonderful.

I learned so much from just chatting with social studies

teachers after panels or talking to them when they came up to our

booths.

So this is a program for all of you.

Homeschool included every kind of school: private, public,

university, elementary.

We haven't quite cracked early education yet, but if you think

of something, let me know.

So I want to share that.

Follow us because we do a lot of virtual programs as well that

are not necessarily only connected to our education

program.

This summer we are going to be doing a webinar with the

National Museum of the United States Army on the American

Revolution.

Every program we do is free.

We have a lot of them that are recorded.

So some of our past programs may be really useful to your

teachers and your students.

For example, a program that I had the honor of participating

in last year with the Holocaust Museum was recorded and it was

about Eisenhower's experiences liberating a concentration camp.

And we now have a teacher guide specifically tied to that

webinar so teachers can hopefully tie it into their

classrooms.

So please follow us on all the social media platforms.

We also have a lot of resources that are secondary sources that

you can drive your students towards.

The articles on our website are a good place for them to start

some research.

We recently released a digital publication that I wrote about

the history of the tomb of the unknown soldier.

That's all free.

It's online, it's for all of you and the American people.

So please use what we have.

And I think for Memorial Day, just remember what it is about.

And there's always a time for celebration and patriotism.

And particularly this year, July 4th is hopefully going to be

just a big, a big party.

And I think that because Memorial Day and July 4th are

really quite close on the calendar, I would urge people to

save that celebratory spirit, that joy for July 4th, and use

Memorial Day as a day of reflection.

And that can be quiet reflection on your own.

It does not have to be broadcast around.

Even just a couple minutes thinking about what the military

has accomplished and what the individuals who have served in

the military have gone through, that is just as valid of a type

of commemoration as showing up at a Memorial Day parade.

So I would urge you to find a way to make it something that's

meaningful to you.

And if you're still in school, what can you do at your school

that week to try and teach the students about Memorial Day?

Utilize our resources, yes, but think about is there an art

project you can do?

Is there a community service project that could be the focus

of that week instead of the focus on whether the swimming

pool is opening?

SPEAKER_00: And listeners, there will be a plethora of links in

our show notes.

But as Alison was talking, I was looking at the website.

Everything is accessible.

It's super easy to find.

Alison, thank you so much, not only for your expertise and your

history, but for really having a conversation about understanding

what the state is and understanding, you know, the men

and women who've given that ultimate sacrifice.

So thank you, thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_01: Oh, thank you, Dr.

Evans.

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